Covid vaccine not so safe? Video of nurse passing out.

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OldMedUser

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What's herd immunity all about?
That's when enough people are immune to a disease from either contracting the disease or being protected by a vaccine that the virus can't find enough people to infect and just dies out. Like what has happened with smallpox, polio, measles etc. There are still little pockets of those diseases around and measles for one has been making a bit of a comeback as so many people have opted out of having their kids vaccinated against it the last couple decades. The abundance of people moving around the planet makes it a lot easier to find fresh bodies to inhabit and reproduce. Look how fast Omicron has spread around the world and Delta before it.

All virus mutates as it moves from person to person. Some mutations can be almost non-infectious and the virus dies out or a much more deadly version can arise that has a much higher kill rate. That was basically the Black Plague and the Spanish flu of days gone by. The more unprotected people there are the more mutations will happen. It's a roll of the genetic dice how a new variation emerges.

The big concern is how all these unvaxxed people are plugging up the ICUs to the point that people needing them for non-Covid related illness are unable to get the treatment they need to survive. Delayed cancer surgeries alone are killing lots of people who would otherwise be treated in time to save their lives. Their deaths should also be counted among the deaths recorded to be from Covid then the numbers would reflect the reality better.

Antivaxxers are selfish, self-centred people who care little for their fellow humans.. Me me me and my freedumbs is their only concern.

If people in the 1940s had of had that same attitude we'd all be speaking German and goose-stepping our way thru life by now. :(

:peace:
 

CatHedral

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That's when enough people are immune to a disease from either contracting the disease or being protected by a vaccine that the virus can't find enough people to infect and just dies out. Like what has happened with smallpox, polio, measles etc. There are still little pockets of those diseases around and measles for one has been making a bit of a comeback as so many people have opted out of having their kids vaccinated against it the last couple decades. The abundance of people moving around the planet makes it a lot easier to find fresh bodies to inhabit and reproduce. Look how fast Omicron has spread around the world and Delta before it.

All virus mutates as it moves from person to person. Some mutations can be almost non-infectious and the virus dies out or a much more deadly version can arise that has a much higher kill rate. That was basically the Black Plague and the Spanish flu of days gone by. The more unprotected people there are the more mutations will happen. It's a roll of the genetic dice how a new variation emerges.

The big concern is how all these unvaxxed people are plugging up the ICUs to the point that people needing them for non-Covid related illness are unable to get the treatment they need to survive. Delayed cancer surgeries alone are killing lots of people who would otherwise be treated in time to save their lives. Their deaths should also be counted among the deaths recorded to be from Covid then the numbers would reflect the reality better.

Antivaxxers are selfish, self-centred people who care little for their fellow humans.. Me me me and my freedumbs is their only concern.

If people in the 1940s had of had that same attitude we'd all be speaking German and goose-stepping our way thru life by now. :(

:peace:
To your last paragraph:
Ive been doing that for close to 70
years. I am here to report comprehensive failure.

Projekt Dädalus ist sofort eingestellt.
 

Lockedin

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If people in the 1940s had of had that same attitude we'd all be speaking German and goose-stepping our way thru life by now. :(

:peace:
Very Interesting and true - on both sides of that phrase.

Funny, "Papers please" was a nazi phrase.... but now it's ok because it's, "necessary"
huh - didn't they say the same thing in the '30s?
- They also burned books that contained "misinformation" that could misdirect the masses. Sound familiar?
Interesting.......
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Very Interesting......
(that's Arte Johnson making fun of nazis in "Laugh In" - a comedy show for those who aren't as old....)

I'm not even against the mandate, truth be told.
- but I think being forced to show papers for restaurant / airport / etc access is a giant leap over that line. Especially given the growing evidence that C-19 is here to stay. Welcome to CCF (Covid, Cold & Flu) season.

Since that is true - and we will not be eradicating the virus anytime soon - pretty soon we should all be prepared to show our travelling papers to the authorities at every check-point as they begin setting them up. (like UCLA Medical)

Not criticizing in the least - just applying the current administration's logic to the situation.
The next one (Harris), will be different.
The above is simply the politics of the 1930's today.
 

Herb & Suds

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Very Interesting and true - on both sides of that phrase.

Funny, "Papers please" was a nazi phrase.... but now it's ok because it's, "necessary"
huh - didn't they say the same thing in the '30s?
- They also burned books that contained "misinformation" that could misdirect the masses. Sound familiar?
Interesting.......
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Very Interesting......
(that's Arte Johnson making fun of nazis in "Laugh In" - a comedy show for those who aren't as old....)

I'm not even against the mandate, truth be told.
- but I think being forced to show papers for restaurant / airport / etc access is a giant leap over that line. Especially given the growing evidence that C-19 is here to stay. Welcome to CCF (Covid, Cold & Flu) season.

Since that is true - and we will not be eradicating the virus anytime soon - pretty soon we should all be prepared to show our travelling papers to the authorities at every check-point as they begin setting them up. (like UCLA Medical)

Not criticizing in the least - just applying the current administration's logic to the situation.
The next one (Harris), will be different.
The above is simply the politics of the 1930's today.
Put your brown shirt on and wear it proud
God forbid tRUMP ever gets near the Presidency again
But hey at least you can skip the vaccine
There is no both sides argument to real Americans
 

Lockedin

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Put your brown shirt on and wear it proud
God forbid tRUMP ever gets near the Presidency again
But hey at least you can skip the vaccine
There is no both sides argument to real Americans
Spoken like a true nazi. - your mama should be proud.

You need to review your history Suds - brown shirts were the ones requiring papers (like vax passports) and burning books (removing "misinformation").
Seriously - review that.
We should never forget what happened back then, or we are doomed to repeat it (which may explain why it isn't taught in schools anymore...)

Funny how you bring up the orange man whenever you run out of brains....
Funny how you (mistakenly) brought up my vax status - again. I'm fully vaxxed - I just don't need to virtue signal it to the internet in my sig (in all caps). :P

"Real Americans" - bet you know NOTHING about serving your country. --- What a hole.
 
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Herb & Suds

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Spoken like a true nazi. - your mama should be proud.

You need to review your history Suds - brown shirts were the ones requiring papers (like vax passports) and burning books (removing "misinformation").
Seriously - review that.
We should never forget what happened back then, or we are doomed to repeat it (which may explain why it isn't taught in schools anymore...)
Only one party GQP
is changing history and burning books
Todays Nazi party
Governors playing dictators
It has a 1930’s vibe to nonracial observers
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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brown shirts were the ones requiring papers (like vax passports) and burning books (removing "misinformation").
Seriously - review that.
sounds very republican to me, i haven't seen one democrat burning books, i haven't seen one democrat trying to change the voting laws to make it harder for minorities to vote, i haven't seen one democrat organizing a white power rally....
Seriously - review that.
 

Lockedin

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Only one party GQP
is changing history and burning books
Todays Nazi party
Governors playing dictators
It has a 1930’s vibe to nonracial observers
Interesting term - define, "nonracial" - do you mean non-Jewish (ala 1930's)? I might have a VERY different view from you if that's the case...
Just, wow.

I'm VERY curious why felt that you needed to pm me the exact same message - might need to switch up your strain (or share, I haven't decided).
I don't disagree about the GOP being as corrupt as the Dems - I'm no fanboy of either party at the federal level.

State level govs on both sides are playing dictator - I agree with you here.
- how bout ole Gav out here and his non-vaxxed, no mask family? Infuriating hypocrite almost makes me want Gray Davis back (yep, I voted for that nightmare...)

Why the excessive vitriol and complete lack of emotional control on display?
Ever try reasoning over name-calling? (your answer, "I'm too tired of you insert epithet here to use reason anymore!")

You actually make some sense when you aren't simply yelling at the screen.
IMHO - it says A LOT about a person when they resort to "F-You" every time they run out of logic...

On that note - you also completely avoided the question - do you sanitize your hands frequently enough?
Seriously - you're hands are the dirtiest part of you (or me), and transfer germs at a higher rate as a result.
:peace:
 

Herb & Suds

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Interesting term - define, "nonracial" - do you mean non-Jewish (ala 1930's)? I might have a VERY different view from you if that's the case...
Just, wow.

I'm VERY curious why felt that you needed to pm me the exact same message - might need to switch up your strain (or share, I haven't decided).
I don't disagree about the GOP being as corrupt as the Dems - I'm no fanboy of either party at the federal level.

State level govs on both sides are playing dictator - I agree with you here.
- how bout ole Gav out here and his non-vaxxed, no mask family? Infuriating hypocrite almost makes me want Gray Davis back (yep, I voted for that nightmare...)

Why the excessive vitriol and complete lack of emotional control on display?
Ever try reasoning over name-calling? (your answer, "I'm too tired of you insert epithet here to use reason anymore!")

You actually make some sense when you aren't simply yelling at the screen.
IMHO - it says A LOT about a person when they resort to "F-You" every time they run out of logic...

On that note - you also completely avoided the question - do you sanitize your hands frequently enough?
Seriously - you're hands are the dirtiest part of you (or me), and transfer germs at a higher rate as a result.
:peace:
You and I agree on nothing
And your nonsense about both parties blah blah blah
Is about as far from the truth as one can get
So no I won’t try and prove propaganda and lies are fake news
But that is what you spew
Putin’s puppet would be proud of you
 

Lockedin

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sounds very republican to me, i haven't seen one democrat burning books, i haven't seen one democrat trying to change the voting laws to make it harder for minorities to vote, i haven't seen one democrat organizing a white power rally....
Seriously - review that.
Which side removed all info about hydroxychloroquine & pretty much any info other than vax?
Digital book burning is still book burning.
And don't give me that "misinformation crap". Misinformation is exposed as misinformation and left up for all to see that is in fact - misinformation.
Information is removed when information doesn't tell the story that you WANT it to tell.

Yeah - both sides are all about suppressing information these days - I just don't mind questioning them and that bothers you.

Incidentally - hydroxy..... is OTC in most countries that deal with malaria.
 

Lockedin

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You and I agree on nothing
And your nonsense about both parties blah blah blah
Is about as far from the truth as one can get
So no I won’t try and prove propaganda and lies are fake news
But that is what you spew
Putin’s puppet would be proud of you
So you believe every word from "The Party" eh?

not scary at all.....
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Reading through some of these recent posts, I think it's here to stay. How many shots are you willing to get tho? 8-12? I just got it again about a month ago.. no big deal. Back to back Covid Champion! .... and yeah, I still take IVM. Get the shots, or don't.... it's up to you.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Reading through some of these recent posts, I think it's here to stay. How many shots are you willing to get tho? 8-12? I just got it again about a month ago.. no big deal. Back to back Covid Champion! .... and yeah, I still take IVM. Get the shots, or don't.... it's up to you.
as many as it takes...i've gotten a flu shot every years for the last 15 years, gotten the flu twice in 15 years...seems like decent odds to me...gotten 3 covid shots so far and as far as i know, haven't gotten covid at all...and i know i've been around people that had it...
i've quit trying to encourage people to get the shot, let them all take what they get, it just means less crazy people to vote for crazy shit, less crazy people to spread this shit, less crazy people in general....:D
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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"Famous last words!" :roll:


:mrgreen:
LOL!.. maybe. But like Roger said, he gets the Flu shot every year, and has had it twice in 15 years. I've only had 1 flu shot in 53 years, and have gotten it twice in my life. Granted, I am one of these Germaphobes that's constantly washing my hands and being careful, but evidence of breakthrough cases, and adverse events leads me to believe it's a risk vs. reward kinda thing.... and everyone has got to make that up in thier own minds. I don't care if you get 100 booster shots a year. If you believe that's going to protect you, jab away. Some of us just don't think there's enough long term studies to show how it's going to affect you long term, and they are willing to take that risk... Just like the vaxxed are willing to have un-studied Mrna particles injected into thier bodies. It's a choice. You can't mandate this stuff either. It would be like telling all women they have to be sterilized. What ever happened to "my body, my choice"?
 
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