CPS (Child Protective Services) interrogation and inquisition (unreal!)

BygonEra said:

.....snip...... CPS isn't this involved in a typical divorce case unless neglect or abuse are suspected. I think there's a lot more to this story that I'm sure we'll find out soon enough......snip....

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If you are not the legal guardian of record you don't get medical info, thank HIPAA. CPS can be a tool or a weapon depending on it's deployment. There is simply not enough information, in that edited video, to give the real story.

I agree it's probably edited to give the version he wants, but the tactics and demeanor of Grimace are truly symptomatic of CPS. There is a case in Texas where they removed the child from the parents because the neighbors dropped a dime on them for smoking pot. CPS removes the child and weeks later she is murdered by the Foster Mother.

Note that McDonald's had nothing to do with her death.
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RPM371 said:

I agree it's probably edited to give the version he wants, but the tactics and demeanor of Grimace are truly symptomatic of CPS. There is a case in Texas where they removed the child from the parents because the neighbors dropped a dime on them for smoking pot. CPS removes the child and weeks later she is murdered by the Foster Mother.

Note that McDonald's had nothing to do with her death.

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Each case has to be handled separately. If you want public policy start litigating and politicking. There are instances in surgery where malpractice occurs. Therefore all surgeons should be assumed guilty? Oh and we should judge them based upon their outward appearance and verbalizations when they are NOT aware they are being taped but the person taping them is.

I have seen atrocities by CPS on a pretty impressive level. I've also seen them save lives. Each case has to be handled individually. I'm not defending CPS I'm saying a rush to judgment is the lynching mentality we are trying so hard to avoid, or are we?

curious2garden said:

Each case has to be handled separately. If you want public policy start litigating and politicking.
I have seen atrocities by CPS on a pretty impressive level. I've also seen them save lives. Each case has to be handled individually.

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I completely agree there is a need and a place for CPS in our society. I just happen to abhor the people that have chosen that as a profession because there is absolute power and no accountability. If there was accountability, none of this would have happened. Instead we get bullies on a power trip and the families are simply pawns in the system.

RPM371 said:

I completely agree there is a need and a place for CPS in our society. I just happen to abhor the people that have chosen that as a profession because there is absolute power and no accountability. If there was accountability, none of this would have happened. Instead we get bullies on a power trip and the families are simply pawns in the system.

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I agree to some extent. But they are not all bullies on a power trip. But, yes, this job seems to have such a low bar to entry. Therefore it does attract a lower common denominator. Then again I'm not sure I'd be very rational either after seeing some of the shit they see constantly. That muck is all they see all the time. It twists you, makes you cynical and polarizes you. There has to be a better way but I don't know what it is.

It seems I have far fewer answers today then I did in my youth. In my youth I just wanted to carry a very hot cattle prod.

curious2garden said:

There has to be a better way but I don't know what it is.

It seems I have far fewer answers today then I did in my youth. In my youth I just wanted to carry a very hot cattle prod.

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Completely agree. And there's nothing wrong with a cattle prod in the right situation.

Padawanbater2 said:

This take while to get into, but trust me, by the 5 minute mark you will be FUMING! This woman in purple is a cunt. Listen to the bullshit that comes out of her mouth, it's fucking unbelievable!

Telling the father he has no legal authority to know what medication his daughter is on..

This idiot should be fired, she's completely unprofessional and obviously went into this interview with an agenda

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Thoughts?

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"Stop weighing her."

What the fuck? She says she'll end up with body image issues when she's older? How about ending up a morbidly obese cunt?



He's not 'allowed to question her' about the other 6.5 days of the week his daughter is with the mother? Who is this bitch? How are you supposed to find out anything about your daughters life if you can't ask her about anything?

That bitch is absolutely nuts.

If the courts truly cared about "the best interest of the child" they would have more time and resources to do just that. It's a GD dog and pony show that goes on only because we are "a civilized society".


Out of college I was offered a job with a big city PD and turned it down because I knew I would lose it the first time I saw someone hurting children. My hands are lethal enough; with a gun, asp, handcuffs, and a shield, I would only get in serious trouble.

Not only did grimace fail her supervisor failed. If she is this emotionally invested she shouldnt be working the case she should be seperated from it. It is possible she is the supervisor though given the fact the other woman has the notes.


Also to say someone who wants to work in that field is the lowest common denominator is wrong, people are generally motivated towards that field out of compassion initially. No one is getting rich working cps. Where Im at your not going far with just an associates degree, like you are not getting cases to work without a bachelors. Of course that varies by state so dont beat me up too bad on that aspect.

kinetic said:

Not only did grimace fail her supervisor failed. If she is this emotionally invested she shouldnt be working the case she should be seperated from it. It is possible she is the supervisor though given the fact the other woman has the notes.


Also to say someone who wants to work in that field is the lowest common denominator is wrong, people are generally motivated towards that field out of compassion initially. No one is getting rich working cps. Where Im at your not going far with just an associates degree, like you are not getting cases to work without a bachelors. Of course that varies by state so dont beat me up too bad on that aspect.

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Kinetic I said lower not lowest big difference.

Yes the convenient lie, is motivation out of compassion. But it's actually the folks with the lower SAT scores who are in the sociology programs. Further it's these people who seem the most easily co-opted by the power. I am also saying there are no pure reasons. We are never motivated solely out of compassion or we'd starve. It is a sad statement of fact that society is stratified and that stratification is built upon intelligence, social skills, physical charms and economic demographics.

CPS falls under humam services programs not sociology, these are different departments usually in a college and university. SAT scores are nice I guess, some people dont test well, other people didnt even take the SAT. So are you equating SAT scores to a persons social worth? I know a few doctors, high iq, probably high sat scores, oh and God Complexes. So Im not sure what you mean by those people are usually co opted by power, its not an exclusive phenomenom to that profession.

I do know they get paid horribly for the level of responsibility with which they are entrusted, and the things they have to see that cannot be unseen.

kinetic said:

CPS falls under humam services programs not sociology, these are different departments usually in a college and university. SAT scores are nice I guess, some people dont test well, other people didnt even take the SAT. So are you equating SAT scores to a persons social worth? I know a few doctors, high iq, probably high sat scores, oh and God Complexes. So Im not sure what you mean by those people are usually co opted by power, its not an exclusive phenomenom to that profession.

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Kinetic you missed my argument. That was not what I was saying. There was no attack and I am very sorry you took it that way. But if we were all the same we would be robots and not humans. Like it or not there is a bell curve and there are opportunities and costs for each interval we reside in. We are further stratified due to many other factors as I outlined in the post copied below.

I don't think they are less than I think they are different than. That the statistics describe a population not a person. Please don't personalize statistics.

curious2garden said:

Kinetic I said lower not lowest big difference.

Yes the convenient lie, is motivation out of compassion. But it's actually the folks with the lower SAT scores who are in the sociology programs. Further it's these people who seem the most easily co-opted by the power. I am also saying there are no pure reasons. We are never motivated solely out of compassion or we'd starve. It is a sad statement of fact that society is stratified and that stratification is built upon intelligence, social skills, physical charms and economic demographics.

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ClaytonBigsby said:

If the courts truly cared about "the best interest of the child" they would have more time and resources to do just that. It's a GD dog and pony show that goes on only because we are "a civilized society".
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It is truly a sad state we live in, where more money is thrown at pursuing and prosecuting drug offenses, instead of protecting our children.

There is a flaw in your citing statistics though. What's your source?

Help me understand then. Are you saying that people with lower SAT scores (usually from lower income families) are more prone to abuses of power than someone with a higher SAT score? Does this mean I am an immoral person because I didn't even take my SAT? lol

kinetic said:

There is a flaw in your citing statistics though. What's your source?

Help me understand then. Are you saying that people with lower SAT scores (usually from lower income families) are more prone to abuses of power than someone with a higher SAT score? Does this mean I am an immoral person because I didn't even take my SAT? lol

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I never said any of those things. I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I can't make it any clearer than that. If you prefer to believe that I said what you wrote, you are certainly welcome to your own interpretations but that is not what I said and not what I wrote.

curious2garden said:

But it's actually the folks with the lower SAT scores who are in the sociology programs. Further it's these people who seem the most easily co-opted by the power. .

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Your first sentence seems to create my question of where did you get the statistics to back that info up with. Just a question, I'm not trying to be combative. You seem to be wanting to say that if you have a lower SAT score you are more apt to abuse the power in the position of authority granted through the profession. I'm just saying that an SAT score is not a moral compass of an individual. Money excentuates immoral behavior it does not create morals. Am I making any sense here or am I too stoned for this discussion at the moment? lol

Evil purple woman deserves to lose her job over this.

You kids will get it figured out. You're coming at it wrong. Just leave it alone.

kinetic said:

CPS falls under humam services programs not sociology, these are different departments usually in a college and university. SAT scores are nice I guess, some people dont test well, other people didnt even take the SAT. So are you equating SAT scores to a persons social worth? I know a few doctors, high iq, probably high sat scores, oh and God Complexes. So Im not sure what you mean by those people are usually co opted by power, its not an exclusive phenomenom to that profession.

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I think this misses the point. SAT scores provide one tool of several for deciding where a prospective student gets to go. It is a measurement of performance. While i think we are all equal in the sense of dignity before the law, we certainly are not equal in terms of our talents, motivations and overall potential to perform. SATs and other, more specialized standard tests are the gatekeepers: they help decide if you're gonna take down a degree in astrophysics or engineering or child development.
Right now we are laboring under the mass delusion of "no child left behind". In its tyranny of inclusion, that new scheme seriously cheats the future Feynmans and deBakeys and Arkus-Duntovs. And that is the price we will all pay as a decadent society if we prioritize teaching everyone to the same reduced standard in the interest of calling "giving extra opportunity to the extra talented/skilled" somehow wrong.
The SAT isn't a test of morality. Insinuating that it is used as such highlights the idea that the talented, the gifted, the folks of whom we will need brilliant deeds in the coming times of intellectual and very real peril ... is saying that it is wrong to recognize people who are better at something useful, important, than Mr. and Ms. Everyone. I'd rather have someone proven better at it manning the steel when my sheet-draped body is wheeled into an operating room ... than somebody who only thinks so.