Crystal Meth

testtime said:

Geez, these people are going a bit overboard.

#1: While the board is "rollitup" and focuses on cannabis, the sub-forum is about ANYTHING ELSE. GTFO if you can't handle that.

#2: Just because YOU (the generic naysayer) and ALL your friends who ever had that 1st hit ended up bingeing until your life got flushed, the OP already has experience with the chemical and you are just waving your hands in the breeze for no reason. Sorry, once someone makes the decision to try it, you hyping possible downsides is worse than meaningless, it is misleading.

Because SOME people can do an occasional line of meth, once or twice a month, for YEARS. So cut that alarmist shit out. It is as bad as them shoving anti-pot films at me in middle school. I knew they were lying about that, so why would I believe them on anything else?

It is a matter of risk/reward and playing the odds.

To me meth (in 1978 time frame) was merely an item on the menu, to be used and/or abused as I saw fit, but I NEVER did more than a 24 hour binge, and in most cases it was simply a line to launch the evening of partying, drinking, and smoking, and when it hit 6AM it was time to go to sleep, happily.

And when I made it, and fucked up the hydrochloride bind and ended up with freebase (I invented "ice" years before the term was coined), and it was smokable, everyone loved it and no one in my peer group got hooked into a death spiral.

On the other hand, EVERY OPIATE USER I KNEW WHO DID IT MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK GOT HOOKED, SOONER OR LATER.

So if you wanna warn people off stuff, try to focus on things they haven't done yet, and has a far more provable addiction track record.

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Haha, I was hoping i wasnt the only person on this site who saw speed as just another drug to use, I've been doing it for years now and most i've stayed up is 2 days and 26 of those hours were spent on counter strike haha. I really can't handle doing it more than everynow and again, it's powerful shit. It's all will power dude, and it's what it always comes down to.

Xrangex said:

I really can't handle doing it more than everynow and again, it's powerful shit. It's all will power dude, and it's what it always comes down to.

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Actually, it's not. It's mostly genetics and situation. It is risk, and it is a bet. The bet is how much can you do, for how long, for what reward, and how long until the spinning chamber with the bullet hits you.

Your will power has NOTHING to do with it, and your ego (which is telling you that) is the 1st thing that will fuck you over when things go bad.

You are no better or stronger than those that have traveled this path before you, you just have the sparkle of innocence about you. And they all thought that they were immune too.

So, do what you will, and enjoy it while you can. But don't believe that your will power is making you safe as compared to these others. It isn't.

The question is does your daily dopamine highs (getting out of bed, running up a flight of steps, going to work, learning something, remembering something, jumping out of an airplane, having sex with someone you love) compete with the externally chemically induced ones, and at what point will you prefer the external chemical.

You are not immune to basic biology, you just have a varying threshold for effects.

testtime said:

Actually, it's not. It's mostly genetics and situation. It is risk, and it is a bet. The bet is how much can you do, for how long, for what reward, and how long until the spinning chamber with the bullet hits you.

Your will power has NOTHING to do with it, and your ego (which is telling you that) is the 1st thing that will fuck you over when things go bad.

You are no better or stronger than those that have traveled this path before you, you just have the sparkle of innocence about you. And they all thought that they were immune too.

So, do what you will, and enjoy it while you can. But don't believe that your will power is making you safe as compared to these others. It isn't.

The question is does your daily dopamine highs (getting out of bed, running up a flight of steps, going to work, learning something, remembering something, jumping out of an airplane, having sex with someone you love) compete with the externally chemically induced ones, and at what point will you prefer the external chemical.

You are not immune to basic biology, you just have a varying threshold for effects.

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You're telling me when I keep myself from over doing something it's genetics and not will power?

Xrangex said:

You're telling me when I keep myself from over doing something it's genetics and not will power?

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I'm telling you your dopamine response is genetically based (some need a little, some need a lot, those that need a lot tend to engage in risk taking behavior (drugs, anyone?)), and therefor the likelihood of you becoming addicted to a dopamine driver (speed) is predicated first how much dopamine you need to feel what you want to feel, and then second, how much dopamine you are getting from the rest of your life's experiences.

Most likely it is not enough, or you wouldn't be drawn to do the things you do (me too).

So WE (self selecting group of risk takers) are actually more likely to become addicted to this type of substance than the general population. I will compare that to narcotics (heroin, oxys, etc), which will suck in pretty much everyone who touches them, even those who hate the feeling but start for pain reasons.

testtime said:

I'm telling you your dopamine response is genetically based (some need a little, some need a lot, those that need a lot tend to engage in risk taking behavior (drugs, anyone?)), and therefor the likelihood of you becoming addicted to a dopamine driver (speed) is predicated first how much dopamine you need to feel what you want to feel, and then second, how much dopamine you are getting from the rest of your life's experiences.

Most likely it is not enough, or you wouldn't be drawn to do the things you do (me too).

So WE (self selecting group of risk takers) are actually more likely to become addicted to this type of substance than the general population. I will compare that to narcotics (heroin, oxys, etc), which will suck in pretty much everyone who touches them, even those who hate the feeling but start for pain reasons.

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I like this response. Very nicely put.

You could always try searching on the deep web.
Imagine meth as a girlfriend (cliched example, I know) who looks great, but will come and take everything from you, your job, family, life.
If you have the willpower to keep yourself from addiction, good luck. I know many people who've chanced it and came out the lesser.

I did meth once.
Gross shit lemme tell ya.

Thought about doing shake n bake before I tried it, just to see what its about. But I've since figured out that speed is just.. Fuck it. Coke is cool.. I haven't done it in a long long time though and don't really plan to. MDMA is fun, but only when I'm on LSD. Otherwise.. I feel like shit after and its annoying. All pissy.. I like my body being regular for the most part. Colors are cool, weed is cool, and various pills. I have a lot of fun with.

Dude do yourself a favor. One, if you are a kid, don't fuck with it. You'll realize when your older that shit like that is just.. Retarded. Especially once you see some of your friends fall victim to it. You don't wanna be one of those people. They become a burden on the mental stress of everyone who cares for them. It would take one strong willed motherfucker(not that this isnt possible, youll do whatever you end up doing, and I wish you luck.) to be able to casually do meth and actually like the feeling it gives them. I hated the shit.

I'm pretty sure I found shake n bake methods on google back in the day.. Your just not looking hard enough. Look on like.. hip forums or something for a tek. Be careful. Your making a risky choice.
[video=youtube;RekCBUDXNjw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RekCBUDXNjw[/video]

testtime said:

I'm telling you your dopamine response is genetically based (some need a little, some need a lot, those that need a lot tend to engage in risk taking behavior (drugs, anyone?)), and therefor the likelihood of you becoming addicted to a dopamine driver (speed) is predicated first how much dopamine you need to feel what you want to feel, and then second, how much dopamine you are getting from the rest of your life's experiences.

Most likely it is not enough, or you wouldn't be drawn to do the things you do (me too).

So WE (self selecting group of risk takers) are actually more likely to become addicted to this type of substance than the general population. I will compare that to narcotics (heroin, oxys, etc), which will suck in pretty much everyone who touches them, even those who hate the feeling but start for pain reasons.

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All i'm saying is I know for a fact if I know I need to stop doing something I (knowing myself very well) have enough will power to stop, I've done pretty much every drug I can imagine (besides dmt, and fetnol (spellcheck?) and I know that with how sparing I am when I get it, the fact that I cant do it on weekdays because of work since it makes your pupils huge as fuck, and how rarely I get it, that i'll be fine with my use. I do things worse things than meth, but I do them in moderation. All it is is another fun ass club drug, only weekday high for me is weed and maybe hydrocodone when i'm feeling bored

Derple said:

You could always try searching on the deep web.
Imagine meth as a girlfriend (cliched example, I know) who looks great, but will come and take everything from you, your job, family, life.
If you have the willpower to keep yourself from addiction, good luck. I know many people who've chanced it and came out the lesser.

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I've read afew "recipies" since posting the op, I dont know if im gonna even try it.. says its stinky as shit, violent reactions, shit like that.. I'm thinking i'll stick to buying my shit when I want some... At least until I have more than 0 history with any chemistry lol. It was a highdea, thought "45 minute shake&bake meth" sounded like an easy score

Xrangex said:

Yeah, it can be gross lol thats true as fuck. I just like the way it makes me feel, and once you do it acouple times watching the crystals melt just looks cool as shit. I like sleeping and eating way to much for it to take my life over, but i roll on some weekends and i honestly think it's just as bad. and i thought pseudo was OTC?


Yeah, i'm kind of regreting this thread. Shoulda left RIU to the garden, I mean i figured the other substance page might be able to help but i do get speed being a touchy subject.
Lol, I would LOVE to, I just don't know where to start


Yeah, I've had family members ruin their lives on it. I smoke the pipe & will never shoot, but every time I get a $30 the people in that appartment look just (no offence) absolutely USELESS, it's heartbreaking I just don't understand how they let it go that far, I'm just not that way with anything... except for weed

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That is literally how addiction started for me....

Not to meth, but pills. I thought DAMN!!!! This pill sliding down the foil looks cool as shit! Next thing I know i was killing to just watch that shit run...

I put the shit down and am clean and green


GL though.. I don't want to share any infos on meth, seen it be made but just no man.. No..


It is sad as hell, moved back to australia recently and my green dealer left the face of the earth (hope he's alright..) Still trying to score my medication down here and i just find people trying to sell me ice... no luck for me getting my damn medifuckingcation!!!!!! stick to the herb brotha!

Look guys, I spent 17 yrs under the influnce of meth. Dam near killed my self and my family. I got busted with a very large amount and beat the wrap..Lucky me. I spent 3 yrs in and out of every rehab in the county. I finaly relized that shit isnt me. It started out as a party drug and over the yrs became my life. I lost every thing cept my wife and children. For some reason my wife stuck by my side. Thank GOD!

Do your self a favor and dont even try the shit once cause theres no turning back. YOU WILL LIKE IT. And it will take over your life, weather it be in a week or a yrs the crap will ruin your life. Take it from a former addict. And that hardly ever happends, most dont make it out. DO NOT TRY METH...NOT EVEN A LIL BIT! This thread should be removed or some shit...JMHO

Clean for 15 yrs now!

Stomper420 said:

Look guys, I spent 17 yrs under the influnce of meth. Dam near killed my self and my family. I got busted with a very large amount and beat the wrap..Lucky me. I spent 3 yrs in and out of every rehab in the county. I finaly relized that shit isnt me. It started out as a party drug and over the yrs became my life. I lost every thing cept my wife and children. For some reason my wife stuck by my side. Thank GOD!

Do your self a favor and dont even try the shit once cause theres no turning back. YOU WILL LIKE IT. And it will take over your life, weather it be in a week or a yrs the crap will ruin your life. Take it from a former addict. And that hardly ever happends, most dont make it out. DO NOT TRY METH...NOT EVEN A LIL BIT! This thread should be removed or some shit...JMHO

Clean for 15 yrs now!

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glad to hear that man! I love hearing stories of people getting over substance abuse

This is the drug you sell to people you don't like, when you want to watch them slowly destroy their life along with those around them...shit's worse than heroin:

[video=youtube;QYPdZ4zhGsw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYPdZ4zhGsw[/video]

http://www.totse2.com/showthread.php?15131-Pseudoephedrine-Extraction-by-Diacetyl

http://www.totse2.com/showthread.php?15541-Push-Pull-the-tea-of-the-Gods

Snowed said:

That is literally how addiction started for me....

Not to meth, but pills. I thought DAMN!!!! This pill sliding down the foil looks cool as shit! Next thing I know i was killing to just watch that shit run...

I put the shit down and am clean and green


GL though.. I don't want to share any infos on meth, seen it be made but just no man.. No..


It is sad as hell, moved back to australia recently and my green dealer left the face of the earth (hope he's alright..) Still trying to score my medication down here and i just find people trying to sell me ice... no luck for me getting my damn medifuckingcation!!!!!! stick to the herb brotha!

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Yeah, i've had signs of dependency when it came to oxycotton back in the day. I know how it feels to feel like you need something to live, but with everyone saying "I started out EXACTLY like that" you make it seem like no one on earth can smoke meth recreationaly and keep it that way? When it's something i've been doing recreationaly for years now, i'll quit for 5-6 months at a time after I finish a sack, souly because 5 minutes before that i'm sitting there with a paperclip scraping the bolo for that last little bit.. The shit is addictive, i know. It's POWERFULL, i know. but i trust myself more than you guys obviously trust me haha. I don't mean to sound like a dick hole on any of my posts i promise, I appriciate the ideas you all have, and i'm sorry to hear every story on substance abuse and what people have gone through. But I'm a drug user, no sign of stoping at the moment. Just lemme have some fun

Oh, & i hope you have better luck with getting some green! haha

Stomper420 said:

Look guys, I spent 17 yrs under the influnce of meth. Dam near killed my self and my family. I got busted with a very large amount and beat the wrap..Lucky me. I spent 3 yrs in and out of every rehab in the county. I finaly relized that shit isnt me. It started out as a party drug and over the yrs became my life. I lost every thing cept my wife and children. For some reason my wife stuck by my side. Thank GOD!

Do your self a favor and dont even try the shit once cause theres no turning back. YOU WILL LIKE IT. And it will take over your life, weather it be in a week or a yrs the crap will ruin your life. Take it from a former addict. And that hardly ever happends, most dont make it out. DO NOT TRY METH...NOT EVEN A LIL BIT! This thread should be removed or some shit...JMHO

Clean for 15 yrs now!

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I'm glad to hear you cleaned up, and VERY glad to hear you wife stayed with you, you got a keeper dude. I honestly think that anyone who trys meth will like it, you're definatly right about that. and it's absolutely a dangerous drug, alot of people dont understand that you can go WEEKS without sleeping or eating at all on that shit, it's just not healthy to do everyday.
but i've already tried it, i already like it, and it's already a part of my drug use. It's far from the worst thing I do, but i'm not worried I'm with people everyday and until someone tells me their worried then i dont think i have anything to worry about.
I'm 5' 10" and 165 pounds, I eat everyday, brush my teeth everyday, work out everyday, shower everyday. I think i've earned a tiny bit of fun

Stomper420 said:

Look guys, I spent 17 yrs under the influnce of meth. Dam near killed my self and my family. I got busted with a very large amount and beat the wrap..Lucky me. I spent 3 yrs in and out of every rehab in the county. I finaly relized that shit isnt me. It started out as a party drug and over the yrs became my life. I lost every thing cept my wife and children. For some reason my wife stuck by my side. Thank GOD!

Do your self a favor and dont even try the shit once cause theres no turning back. YOU WILL LIKE IT. And it will take over your life, weather it be in a week or a yrs the crap will ruin your life. Take it from a former addict. And that hardly ever happends, most dont make it out. DO NOT TRY METH...NOT EVEN A LIL BIT! This thread should be removed or some shit...JMHO

Clean for 15 yrs now!

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Now hang on a minute. No offense but it is unwise to take advice from people who have failed at an endeavor. You had a run in with a substance and failed at using it wisely. Now you tell us that we should take your advice because you failed.


I always have a problem with picking addicts or ex addicts to tell us the particulars of a substance. It is like asking a man who's parrachute quit what it is like to skydive.


You don't go to the guy who went broke in the stock market,you don't go to the guy who failed to make the majors, why would you go to the person who Didn't manage to deal with something adequately.


Of course all of what I say changes if you can't find any winners who have used a particular substance and that may be the case here.


No offense dude, I just can't understand why the addicts all believe that they have something ultra important to say for the world when what they actually have to say is very very important - for themselves.

canndo said:

Now hang on a minute. No offense but it is unwise to take advice from people who have failed at an endeavor. You had a run in with a substance and failed at using it wisely. Now you tell us that we should take your advice because you failed.


I always have a problem with picking addicts or ex addicts to tell us the particulars of a substance. It is like asking a man who's parrachute quit what it is like to skydive.


You don't go to the guy who went broke in the stock market,you don't go to the guy who failed to make the majors, why would you go to the person who Didn't manage to deal with something adequately.


Of course all of what I say changes if you can't find any winners who have used a particular substance and that may be the case here.


No offense dude, I just can't understand why the addicts all believe that they have something ultra important to say for the world when what they actually have to say is very very important - for themselves.

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This is probably one of the top 5 most retarded rambles I've ever read. You're quoting someone speaking on a topic from experience..trying to help others avoid the dangerous path he went down. How did he fail? He's sitting there telling you he's 15 years clean. What would a successful meth user be to you?

Your ignorance angers me.

wow OP your like the worst kind of people. i hope you blow up like the rest of your tweaker buddies trying to make that shit. ya house hold CHEMICALS. would say you retarded for doing that shit but you gotta already be retarded to even try the shit.

GrowinTheDank said:

This is probably one of the top 5 most retarded rambles I've ever read. You're quoting someone speaking on a topic from experience..trying to help others avoid the dangerous path he went down. How did he fail? He's sitting there telling you he's 15 years clean. What would a successful meth user be to you?

Your ignorance angers me.

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My.... ignorance angers you? what ignorance is that? it is ONE sort of "experience", experience does not trump all other methods of garnering knowlege. He is telling HIS story, a story that is, as we just agreed - HIS.

Now, imagine an electician who zapps himself while in the process of working his profession. Does he say "don't ever ever mess with electricity"? No, he doesn't. if someone fails at something their advice to all others to never ever touch that with which he failed, we are led to believe that all other people are just like this guy, that there is no difference, no allowance for anything but utter failure. "if you do A - as I did, then the results will be B, as mine were" is a faulty premise.

in answer to your question, he failed because he got trapped by a very vicious substance, one that few mange to come away from uscathed but the poster is being presumptuous in saying what will happen to others if they do as he did.


What would you say to me if I said that I freaked out on pot twice, i had to go to the hospital and I am now 10 years sober from marijuana? you would say - good for you buddy, keep it up, too bad that happened to you.

Now what would you say if I said "yeah, I had to go to the hospital so, boys and girls never ever ever under any circumstances use marijuana". It is this difference with which I take issue.

For your information - I as well am a failure when it comes to mehtamphetamine, I did not sucessfully keep it under control and wound up voluntarily going to a rehab program but the story is my own. I might tell it as a mater of interest, or as an example of what not to do but I will not, nor should you, claim that no one should ever use a substance because, why, look what happened to me.

One who derives an entire opinion on the extent of another's knowledge based upon a single post- a post that "angers him", might consider the definition of ignorance.

I was just sharing my experiance with the shit. Take it for what its worth. Im just warning you that everybody I ever seen do the shit "Just once in awhile" becomes a everyday thing and then...Well you get the idea. You sound like a smart guy for now...Enjoy!

canndo said:

Now hang on a minute. No offense but it is unwise to take advice from people who have failed at an endeavor. You had a run in with a substance and failed at using it wisely. Now you tell us that we should take your advice because you failed.


I always have a problem with picking addicts or ex addicts to tell us the particulars of a substance. It is like asking a man who's parrachute quit what it is like to skydive.


You don't go to the guy who went broke in the stock market,you don't go to the guy who failed to make the majors, why would you go to the person who Didn't manage to deal with something adequately.


Of course all of what I say changes if you can't find any winners who have used a particular substance and that may be the case here.


No offense dude, I just can't understand why the addicts all believe that they have something ultra important to say for the world when what they actually have to say is very very important - for themselves.

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All I'll add is: There is no using this substance wisely, using wisely is a paradox when it comes to meth...b/c it doesn't exist.