Crystal Meth

brimck325 · Jan 20, 2013

i know people that smoked ICE in the 60's, if you invented it you must be 60-70-80?

testtime · Jan 20, 2013

brimck325 said:
i know people that smoked ICE in the 60's, if you invented it you must be 60-70-80?

Reread this thread, you'll see exactly how.
And if it existed before then (from a street drug perspective), it certainly was not every made available to me ot my circle.
This was the days the we made "freebase" from our very expensive powder coke and the term "crack" did not exist yet.
Ice is just freebase meth, which was not the goal, at least to us, and while I didn't "invent" it, I stumbled upon it independently of anyone else.

brimck325 · Jan 20, 2013

i thought we were talking meth. i know it was around in the very early 80's, i smoked it. yes, there was freebasing going on then too. i have people very close to me that were cooking in the 60's that told me of ice 20-30 years before i heard the term on tv. i never heard the term free basing used when talking meth.

chewberto · Jan 20, 2013

More story time I see...good for you trying to stand behind your rationale...your wrong..see ya

testtime said:
I got my cake, and I eat it too.

I'm sorry you are all upset that I had a happy time with it in my youth.

I'm sorry that I expect people to be a bit less emotional in how they deal with this, a bit more logical, and attempt to understand the various types of drug addiction paths in their body, and behave appropriately.

I know most won't.

Narcotics (opiates) go the endorphin path. Alcohol, barbiturates, hypnotics go the GABA path. Amphetamines go the dopamine path. While they may affect a variety of chemicals in your body, these are the major agonist/antagonist pathways and the cause very different types of behavior both in immediate reaction and long term addiction, especially how they may or may not trigger seizures and death during withdrawal.

When I was 13-18, I STUDIED the PDR. It was fun. That was a LONG time ago. Science in the last 5 years has given incredible leaps in the amount we know of how these substances interact at the molecular level.

You give stories. Yes, these ARE dangerous substances, and YES, most people should stay the fuck away from them. But there are a small subset that can handle them.

I did. I simply choose not to now because of my age, blood pressure, and heart condition (which has NOTHING (or very little, hey, it's possible)) with my drug use in my youth. I didn't lose all my teeth or steal from my friend to support my use.

Right now I stick with pot (pain, anti-inflammatory, fun) and shrooms and other majors but only rarely (3 times a year seems the norm nowaways). But that is only because I don't want to push my heart with a major dopamine driver. Not because I'm worried about becoming addicted to it.

But opiates TERRIFY me.

Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. Slice you to little bits. Nicely, if possible, because we are all here NOT to get SCREAMED at, we are here to be educated.

Oh, BTW: I had a bad trip when I was 18, realized my life was going nowhere, and volunteered to go to rehab. I had a "bad trip". I now know there is no such thing as a "bad trip", they are all educational experiences, and to be treasured. In this case, it got me into rehab, which is what I needed at that time in my life. I would very happily (reverently even) take some quality LSD today. Well, not today, kinda busy, but you get my point.

Meth was a very small part of that equation. I spent 30 days there and was clean (no NOTHING) for 7 months. I went to meeting at least 3 times a week, lived with an NA buddy, and only hung with NA people. I then smoked a couple of bong hits (7 months in), didn't get any for the next day, realized it was not a good idea, and stopped.

FOR 20+ years. Nothing. I may have had 10 doctor prescribed pills the entire time during back spasms. No drink, no over the counter, no NOTHING. Then a mild spiral in doctor prescribed pills for very good reasons (he's retiring in a week, last meeting with him, it was a hell of an education over the last 20 years for him, me "clean" and then me now, mhahahahahaaha)

AA/NA meetings the 1st 10 years, nothing for the next 10.

I've got counselor level knowledge and experience that you could not imagine. I'm done the "speaker" tour. I'm an invited guest (or at least was) for rehab visit/speaker days.

I KNOW that stats.

So, go ahead, try to have a rational non attack discussion. We may all learn something. But please leave the hysterics for the children.

Xrangex · Jan 20, 2013

drolove said:
lol getting pretty upset for a meaningless opinion
those household chemicals do not hold a PURE chemical. you get that chemical plus all the other ones in there with it. how could taking in battery acid be good for you in any way. i smoke weed and thats about it, a drink from time to time. i think just about EVERYBODY would agree weed and alcohol are better than meth. both have some medicinal benefits. dont think meth does....so ya....
im living in the heart of the meth state and hear every day on the radio of your kind being busted or a meth lab blowing up. those damn things are blowing up at least twice a month in my area alone. dont sound like you guys are the sharpest tool in the shed, and im an idiot....lol....hear about you on the radio. later!

Haha, you know what you're right. Idgaf that you're too scared of your own control to try another drug. And amphetamines don't have medicinal value? You kidding me? Just keep talking out your ass dude maybe you'll be right someday.
You don't use battery acid to cook meth, more talking shit that you don't know, you've just heard.

And you think as soon as a person hits the ice pipe that they are instantaneously put into a generalization of "your kind" and you people... There are meth users out there that have what they do under control, you know why they don't get caught in addiction or jail? Because they know how to control themselves and they aren't fucking retarded.

testtime · Jan 20, 2013

brimck325 said:
i thought we were talking meth. i know it was around in the very early 80's, i smoked it. yes, there was freebasing going on then too. i have people very close to me that were cooking in the 60's that told me of ice 20-30 years before i heard the term on tv. i never heard the term free basing used when talking meth.

We are in agreement. The term "freebasing" referred to taking cocaine hydrochloride (HCL) (standard steet coke) and stripping the hydrochloride base. Freebase means NO base. No HCL base. It is the HCL that makes it water soluble, which means you can snort it (and eat, etc), but you can't smoke it. Strip the HCL, it becomes smokable. It was a dangerous (ether evaporation while doing bong hits is a BAD idea) process, and expensive, because 1st you had to buy your coke, then run that process, and coke ran about $80-$150 a gram in those days, and I was young and poor, and no one was selling the freebased version, you had to make it yourself. Which I then did.

Google some Richard Pryor video how he blew himself up. It is a VERY good description.

So in that same home lab, I had a bit of meth going, which ends up with an HCL base well, for the same reasons. But I fucked up a batch, did not bind the HCL correctly, I seem to recall it precipitated out rather than crystalized, and then that means I had "freebase" (ie: NO BASE) version of meth, which meant it was smokable.

Clear?

drolove · Jan 20, 2013

Xrangex said:
Haha, you know what you're right. Idgaf that you're too scared of your own control to try another drug. And amphetamines don't have medicinal value? You kidding me? Just keep talking out your ass dude maybe you'll be right someday.
You don't use battery acid to cook meth, more talking shit that you don't know, you've just heard.

And you think as soon as a person hits the ice pipe that they are instantaneously put into a generalization of "your kind" and you people... There are meth users out there that have what they do under control, you know why they don't get caught in addiction or jail? Because they know how to control themselves and they aren't fucking retarded.

again...you have to be somewhat retarded from the start to even try meth. so with that being said im done arquing with a retard. cant argue with retarded people....they dont know any better. and again ill hear about you on the radio and news. try not to blow yourself up with the rest of your kind

3 Pounds of Weeden · Jan 20, 2013

Dopamine is a hell of a drug. Someone mention earlier about predisposition to Dopamine. Ppl can get addicted to sex, scratch off tickets, adrenaline, and fast food. You SHOULD listen to other's experiences. I found it funny how humans REALLY believe they are above all else. The ingredients alone should stop the very thought.

brimck325 · Jan 20, 2013

very true^^^. how many got sick time and again when started drinking, but drank just the same till they(think) got it right. at 14 ate an egg roll and got sick, to this day wont eat chinese.

3 Pounds of Weeden · Jan 20, 2013

We are prone to maladaptive behavior, we will always engage in risk taking behavior that's just who we are. But if you really want a "good feeling".... volunteer. No better high than that IMO ( plus if you get caught growing pot you will have some leniency within the community.

Not to advertise, but I am working on starting a foundation to fight Trachoma. PM if interested. As of now, we are just taking donations and any bottled water people are willing to give away. Every penny can be accounted for.

zhn0k · Jan 20, 2013

lol meth..

GrowinTheDank · Jan 20, 2013

canndo said:
That sky diver who somehow managed to survive after his chute failed is not the one to listen to about how no one should ever step out of an airplane. His story should be included in your canvasing of information as to whether you should take up the sport but you are advised also to speak to those who's equipment did not fail. That is my point. Listen to those who have had problems with a substance but don't conclude the substance must be bad because the person you are talking to was not a success (success being the ability to manage one's consumption of that substance).

Closer to home. I have heard personal revelations about people's unfortunate battles with alcoholism. Alcohol will take some of us without a doubt but to listen ONLY to those who failed in their ability to negotiate reasonably with that particular chemical ignores all of the success stories of those who enjoy their wine with dinner, have a few drinks with the boys and then thinks no more of the substance. If I let one of the failures tell me "never ever touch this chemical" then that person is doing me a disservice. If he simply tells me his experience without the final admonition fine, but because he had a tough time does not necessarily indicate that EVERYONE will.

You seem to place great stock in anecdotal evidence - it is the most interesting way to garner information but it is hardly dependable as a full source of knowledge.

Do we know this person's genetic makeup? do we know his upbringing? His personal experiences? Are those things akin to our own? The anecdotal tends not to bring those items into focus.

Now I see that you didn't take my comparison between meth and pot very seriously. Seems that most don't simply because or primarily because pot is the drug of choice on this website. But because it is, the bad effects of marijuana are generaly ignored, worse yet, pot is lauded as the magical cure for all that ails a person. The fact is that both pot and meth are chemicals, chemicals that are not entirely foreign to the human body. My comparison stands, if I were to tell you a horror story about pot (and they do really exist) you would not take my warning seriously and probably question his legitimacy or veracity - as another poster has already done. Again, it is one thing for this person (poor guy just wanted to make a statement and look where I've taken it), to tell us his story, it is quite another to tell us that we should never ever even try this substance - not even after having performed one' own due diligence. I had problems with that very chemical but I will not presume to tell YOU not to use it or claim that the results YOU encounter will be as bad as mine (not that bad really, but bad enough for me to require help).

And that was what I took issue with, that is what I still take issue with.

I know numbers of people who did NOT have a problem with meth. They are doctors and lawyers and farmers and such. They took up the stuff for this reason or that, used it in a moderate way and one day put it down, some still on occasion continue to use. These are what I would call successes. Now the truth is that none of them will tell you that they got any true benifit from their use, no enlightenment, no lasting enjoyable memories save perhaps an inordinately clean home. The lawyers may point to their having passed the bar as a result of their use but I suspect they would have done as well without the chemical "help".

I think the best example of what I am talking about - since the parachutist didn't really cut it, is to find 20 LSD users and ask each of them if they would recomend others use the substance. The ones that were the most successful would either tell you that you should, or, in my belief, if they were TRUELY successful in their encounters would tell you their wonderful experiences and claim that only you are equipped to decide no matter how marvelous they found their journey. But you are bound to encounter someone who found themselves on an 8 hour trip to hell. Would they be the only ones to listen to as they warned you never ever to, under any circumstances, try acid?

My ignorance not withstanding, I submit that each person spoken to might bring you a bit of knowledge and that no single person should be relied on more heavily than another.

Just to belabor the point and perhaps to add to the mass of anecdotal evidence we might want to look at the mentality of the drug user himself.

Do you really think what you're saying applies to meth? Would there be any situation where you'd recommend someone tries meth? Are you really baffled by someone telling another person not to do meth because they've gone through hell and back because of it? I understand the points you're trying to make and exactly what you have an issue with, but it's just so damn stupid I'm sorry lmao.

Ok and you're ignoring those who have battled tooth and nail with a substance then still came out on top. Find the difference please? No one is doing anyone a disservice by discouraging them from trying meth. Can we stop pretending the below paragraph is so fucking terrible now please? It's a lot more beneficial than your reply to it that's for damn sure.

Do your self a favor and dont even try the shit once cause theres no turning back. YOU WILL LIKE IT. And it will take over your life, weather it be in a week or a yrs the crap will ruin your life. Take it from a former addict. And that hardly ever happends, most dont make it out. DO NOT TRY METH...NOT EVEN A LIL BIT! This thread should be removed or some shit...JMHO

I'm not reading the rest of your shit. You're either going to beat the same meaningless point into the ground or create a bunch of new equally ignorant ones.

canndo · Jan 20, 2013

GrowinTheDank said:
I'm not reading the rest of your shit. You're either going to beat the same meaningless point into the ground or create a bunch of new equally ignorant ones.

there is never anything shameful about ignorance, though your last few posts have made it seem so. There is, however, in my opinion something quite shameful in the willful arrival at such a state, one's choice to remain in a state of ignorance is what makes all the difference.

Considering that you place special emphasis upon the anecdotal and declare that you will not read the rest of my shit based upon your projection of what I am going to say has me believe that you don't think all that much of the anecdotal as you insist.

However I bear you no animosity nor ill will, I've not outright insulted you and am saddened that you feel it necessary to do so. It is entirely possible that you may see some benefit from some of the information I post here from time to time. Even information that you find you disagree with.

canndo · Jan 20, 2013

This thread on Meth, specificly crystal Meth appears to me to be one of the more contentious I've seen in RIU -> HS.

Coincidence?

guest420 · Jan 20, 2013

these crystal meth threads never end well. always people arguing and fighting. just ask fdd. he posted a bunch of crystal meth threads and i got black marked by calling him a junky and whatnot. anyways here is my story. i smoked pot and did dxm (robo trippn) before and i mostly smoked pot and one day we got in a station wagon at our hang out in the city and drove into the country and there was 5 of us in the back seat so we were sitting really close together. the girl that was selling the meth was so fucked up i could feel her heart beating through the side of her body pressed against me. i knew then i was in trouble but i did it anyway and i dont really remember much because it happened like 10 years ago (been clean for that long) but i did it alot after that but i wasnt really hooked. then this one time i overdosed and i tripped really hard like i was on lsd (saw tracers and shit) but my heart held up but after i overdosed i was having panic attacks all the time where i felt like i was dieing even when i wasnt on it.

so i just cold turkey quit and havent done any since. at the time i was living with a friend so it was easier to get ahold of it because he was always doing it but now i live with my parents and pay rent to them and i dont have a dealer (for pot either) so im clean and sober from meth for over 10 years and havent smoked pot in 2-5 years. not sure how long its been but i havent had a dealer forever and im not the kind of person to go asking strangers for weed so i just choose not to do drugs. i do want to drive or fly to colorado when they finally open pot stores and take a vacation there and smoke some herb for like a week straight at a hotel and then come back. im saving now for when they open next year i will have enough cash.

i own the movie spun. that is some funny shit and mostly true. if you dont have it i suggest you go to amazon and buy it. also get the movie bong water with jack black. its really good too. i never tried to make meth but i had a friend that made it and he burned his hand with anhydroius and has no feeling in his hand now because he was filling something up with the stuff and it came apart and splashed on his hand. but i bought some meth off him one day and he said dont smoke this with anyone else, this is my personal stash and its "Fire"

so he give me this pill capsal filled with meth and i got to my friends house and we break it open on a boat (foil) and smoke some and it blew us away. it was some of the purest shit ive ever seen in my life and i done quit a bit in my day. i suggested we snort the last little bit that was left and me and my friend both did a tiny little bump just enough to feel it. my friend went downstairs for water and i found this little kids guitar and tuned it and played the hell out of it while waiting for him to come back lol. i had a great time on it except my overdose. i could controll myself and the trip but this one friend i had would always think he was god and say shit like i was easily admused and bullshit like that. playing word games with me when we were high. made me not want to do it with him or with anyone anymore.

anyway im clean for over 10 years and i can say its bad stuff in the long run because you can get dementia or paranoid and be sick when you get older. what i do now is caffeine. i love it. its just as addicting but so much cleaner and not as powerful so you dont freak out. i drink 2 or 3 bottles of cokeacola and im flying. im drinking some right now lol. i feel wide awake and im energetic. i was excersising with my cat chasing me earlier until i was out of breath. i dont have any flash backs to the meth because i was only doing it for like a year or two so i wasnt to bad. mostly i would learn songs on guitar and play it over and over till i had it sounding perfection.

TLDR: when you get old you might wish you never done it (especally making it) stick with weed and caffeine

Hydrotech364 · Jan 20, 2013

Buy Uncle Fester's Book.Has everything but how to get your teeth back.

GrowinTheDank · Jan 20, 2013

canndo said:
there is never anything shameful about ignorance, though your last few posts have made it seem so. There is, however, in my opinion something quite shameful in the willful arrival at such a state, one's choice to remain in a state of ignorance is what makes all the difference.

Considering that you place special emphasis upon the anecdotal and declare that you will not read the rest of my shit based upon your projection of what I am going to say has me believe that you don't think all that much of the anecdotal as you insist.

However I bear you no animosity nor ill will, I've not outright insulted you and am saddened that you feel it necessary to do so. It is entirely possible that you may see some benefit from some of the information I post here from time to time. Even information that you find you disagree with.

Read your first post in this thread, y'know, the one that started this whole thing. I'm assuming you're one of those people who uses the phrase 'no offense', and thinks that clears all offense from what you are about to say. Sorry if my insults offended you, but do you not remember your insults to Stomper420? Telling someone who's stating they've been clean from meth for 15 years they're a failure is pretty fucking rude at best. I insulted you in defense to the person you insulted. Did I not mention from the start your post angered me? You were an IGNORANT ASSHOLE in your first post, and are now complaining that I called you what you were, or are. Oh the shame oh the shame..get real please..break out of your 'state of ignorance' already.

Jersey'sFinest · Jan 20, 2013

ranger, just do the world a favor and fucking kill yourself, like right now, today. you're obviously too ignorant to live. all the killer herbs in the world and bomb ass mushrooms, and you want to do meth. fucking idiot. better yet, come over to my house so I can kill you. I haven't shed any blood in a while. seriously, dude. Die.

canndo · Jan 20, 2013

GrowinTheDank said:
Read your first post in this thread, y'know, the one that started this whole thing. I'm assuming you're one of those people who uses the phrase 'no offense', and thinks that clears all offense from what you are about to say. Sorry if my insults offended you, but do you not remember your insults to Stomper420? Telling someone who's stating they've been clean from meth for 15 years they're a failure is pretty fucking rude at best. I insulted you in defense to the person you insulted. Did I not mention from the start your post angered me? You were an IGNORANT ASSHOLE in your first post, and are now complaining that I called you what you were, or are. Oh the shame oh the shame..get real please..break out of your 'state of ignorance' already.

Shall we be specific? I said one does not take in it's entirety, the advice of someone who has failed at something. This poster is not a failure and I never said such a thing. I said he failed at using a substance. He could not keep it under control, fine, as you said, and he said, in the end he did not succumb. I didn't insult him nor did I insult you. I called neither one of you Ignorant and I called neither one of you assholes.

Just to stay accurate.

It seems that you are taking the notion of success far differently than I intended. Taking drugs is no different really than any other endeavor, sometimes we are good at it. Some of us dance well, some sing well, some are not as successful at those things -that doesn't mean we ARE failures and therein lies the communication problem between us.

I know a stock broker who has been chipping for almost 20 years. No one knows how he does it, everyone fortells his ultimate failure at being a dad, a businessman, a husband, a contributor to his society and a participant in the world.

I know a man who has been a social cigarette smoker for 30 years. He only smokes cigarettes at parties and gatherings - he is the only "successful" cigarette smoker I have ever met. He has never had to face the either or situation - either he quit or he gives up and smokes.

We talked about alcohol. There are many who are successes at drinking, their are also many failures, those are people who cannot integrate their use of alcohol into their lives. They are reduced to a pair of options, either they quit so they can have the rest of their lives, or they continue to drink and forsake everything else. Would I call a "recovering" alcoholic a failure? no, he is simply a unable to have his drink and his life as well.

I don't intend to agitate you by constantly disagreeing with you, but my lack of intent aside, we disagree - although at this point I am not sure over what.

Trolling · Jan 20, 2013

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