Week4@inCharge
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I feel ya man. I really do. Could be a lot of variables that add to this too, weather/environment, soil/media, nutrition, and how we cure all have a play on the bottom end.
CSI humboldt thread
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DanKiller
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The role humans play is not significant enough to deter certain genetics from expressions or showing what they made of.
And that's the main problem, when those unworked seed packs have nothing but bunk, the breeders blame the growers.
But that is illogical, every good grower or breeder will tell you, it's all in the seed, you as the grower are only there to help, not to determine anything.
I used to grow plants in all sorts of environments, from bad to worse from good to great, never a plant was bunk if it was good because it grew in sub par conditions, it was only bunk if the plant itself was bunk (DNA)
So, in my 20 years of growing I used to pee on plants, burn them, under water, over water, each time the smoke was killer, why ? cuz the breeder made sure of it.
Until recent years when seed makers just decided to stop breeding and just make seeds from every fem clone they have and not progressing any further than that in the line, just a shame.
And that's the main problem, when those unworked seed packs have nothing but bunk, the breeders blame the growers.
But that is illogical, every good grower or breeder will tell you, it's all in the seed, you as the grower are only there to help, not to determine anything.
I used to grow plants in all sorts of environments, from bad to worse from good to great, never a plant was bunk if it was good because it grew in sub par conditions, it was only bunk if the plant itself was bunk (DNA)
So, in my 20 years of growing I used to pee on plants, burn them, under water, over water, each time the smoke was killer, why ? cuz the breeder made sure of it.
Until recent years when seed makers just decided to stop breeding and just make seeds from every fem clone they have and not progressing any further than that in the line, just a shame.
GWilliamsCannabis
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To be fair....I've smoked Triangle Kush a few times copped a few ozs of it.. 1 time it was clearly better than the other- but both times I wasn't really impressed....I even put it on my list of strains to avoid.
The way its talked about I thought it was gonna be the most fire shit ever.....taste was meh....and potency was slightly above average imo....it wasn't even the strongest kush I've had or even top 5....
So all this hype with it and the $200 price tag just doesn't make sense to me... the best version I had of it was grown really well and I still was like eh
skuba
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Doesn't sound like you had real TK. It's really potent and has a strong classic OG taste. You can't expect S1s to have the exact qualities of the mom
GWilliamsCannabis
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I definitely had real TK; my source is excellent.
Apparently it's just not that good to me
DanKiller
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Nah, your source is not excellent.
The OG TK is fire, too much fire.
The chance you or your source has the OG is close to 0.
S1 are not the source, F1 are not the source
That doesn't mean you can't hit a 1:1 in them, it just means your chances are 1:1,000,000 to find the exect elite mother in those unworked lines.
You will find in-between all sorts of stuff that might even resemble, but a home run ? That requires actual breeding, actual work filtering the bad and keeping the good, each and every generation until they are a close to mirror image of the initial donor/s
The OG TK is fire, too much fire.
The chance you or your source has the OG is close to 0.
S1 are not the source, F1 are not the source
That doesn't mean you can't hit a 1:1 in them, it just means your chances are 1:1,000,000 to find the exect elite mother in those unworked lines.
You will find in-between all sorts of stuff that might even resemble, but a home run ? That requires actual breeding, actual work filtering the bad and keeping the good, each and every generation until they are a close to mirror image of the initial donor/s
DanKiller
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People love to talk, but people also have short memory, when I started growing 20 years ago with packs from seed shops in AMS and Cali, almost every seed was a reflection of the initial clone, and I know cuz I smoked the clones the seeds were made of.
Today it's a joke, I ran so much seeds in the past few years, nothing came close to 3 euro seed back then from AMS.
I fault the consumer, the lack of research and hype shopping just for a chance, but you don't buy a lottery ticket each day in these amounts so why would you buy a weed lottery ticket ?
CSI is not working lines and not breeding anything, just crossing clones.
The 5150 for example is a step in the right direction to uniformaty and breeding, which is what the consumer wants at the end, but it's still too little too late.
Seed Lines have to be worked hard in order to create homogeneous batches, every grower knows this.
Why bother when people pay top dollar for your first generation mixed up seeds ?
Why would u waste x3 of your time and money so people will pay same for it ? No business man will take this offer.
Today it's a joke, I ran so much seeds in the past few years, nothing came close to 3 euro seed back then from AMS.
I fault the consumer, the lack of research and hype shopping just for a chance, but you don't buy a lottery ticket each day in these amounts so why would you buy a weed lottery ticket ?
CSI is not working lines and not breeding anything, just crossing clones.
The 5150 for example is a step in the right direction to uniformaty and breeding, which is what the consumer wants at the end, but it's still too little too late.
Seed Lines have to be worked hard in order to create homogeneous batches, every grower knows this.
Why bother when people pay top dollar for your first generation mixed up seeds ?
Why would u waste x3 of your time and money so people will pay same for it ? No business man will take this offer.
Spindle818
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There are much better cuts of og to smoke than Tk. The tk is used for breeding primarily because it breeds consistently
Uprangewilly
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Crazy Crocs
5150 Triangle Kush X TK
Harvested at 71 days 12/12
Smell/Taste: 9/10
Smelled and tasted citrusy ,orangey, gassy at first sample with a hint of cream. Tasted kind of like a fuel soaked orange creamsicle.
As it has cured a little more, the smell and taste has become more Limey and gassy. Not much cream anymore. Coats the mouth with this lime/gas flavor for at least half an hour.
Potency: 9/10
This was a plant I had to shift my scale a bit. You know what it’s like. You plant countless seeds and once in a while a plant comes along that makes you reevaluate your definition of “great weed”.
It starts between the eyes. Feels like a pressure on the sinuses. Sometimes it even clears my sinuses out. Tickles the back of the throat with an almost vapor like action, but not in an irritating way. Makes my eyes sensitive.
Overall I am very impressed with this strain. It grows like other kushes I have grown in the past. Viney and long internode length. Needs support from flopping over.
All the research I found says Triangle Kush is mostly indica. I didn’t find that to be true for me. Very little couch lock. Just a good all around stoned feeling. I won’t be able to test it with a longer cure because it’s almost gone. It has moved to the top of my list of keepers.
I also harvested At 6’s & 7’s, aka 677 tk X Tk. And a Sweet Pink Stink.
The 677 is pretty good. Just not as good as the 5150 imho.
The sweet pink stink did not impress me at all.
5150 Triangle Kush X TK
Harvested at 71 days 12/12
Smell/Taste: 9/10
Smelled and tasted citrusy ,orangey, gassy at first sample with a hint of cream. Tasted kind of like a fuel soaked orange creamsicle.
As it has cured a little more, the smell and taste has become more Limey and gassy. Not much cream anymore. Coats the mouth with this lime/gas flavor for at least half an hour.
Potency: 9/10
This was a plant I had to shift my scale a bit. You know what it’s like. You plant countless seeds and once in a while a plant comes along that makes you reevaluate your definition of “great weed”.
It starts between the eyes. Feels like a pressure on the sinuses. Sometimes it even clears my sinuses out. Tickles the back of the throat with an almost vapor like action, but not in an irritating way. Makes my eyes sensitive.
Overall I am very impressed with this strain. It grows like other kushes I have grown in the past. Viney and long internode length. Needs support from flopping over.
All the research I found says Triangle Kush is mostly indica. I didn’t find that to be true for me. Very little couch lock. Just a good all around stoned feeling. I won’t be able to test it with a longer cure because it’s almost gone. It has moved to the top of my list of keepers.
I also harvested At 6’s & 7’s, aka 677 tk X Tk. And a Sweet Pink Stink.
The 677 is pretty good. Just not as good as the 5150 imho.
The sweet pink stink did not impress me at all.
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Week4@inCharge
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To have a pack from 20 years ago...
MannyPacs
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It's weird because when I pop packs of S1s made with current "era" clones they are a lot closer than seeds made from supposed 20+ year old clones. Popping a pack of S1S and not finding anything even similar to the clone (doesn't have to be as good or better just share similarities with the mother) usually makes me think the issue is with a mislabeled mama and not selfed seeds
silverhazefiend
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Dan made some good points i understand his frustration when it comes to finding decent plants from seeds .. 15 years ago they called euro seeds boring bc the were too consistent they said the grower wanted some variety so the usa cali craze started and from there just went down hill
First it was un tested gear people would get on your ass for then to beat the rat race of the seed game people just started smashing clones together under the guise of “finding something rare” and not having boring consistent genetics which was deemed bad for some reason
The problem is a lot of these strains do not breed true and it’s not until u grow them and understand the plant you understand why they need to be worked for a consistent outcome
someone said TK is true breeding and it is not I grew 4-6 ? Idk maybe more tk crosses last year and only thing that was consistent was the look it grew like a kush I could pick out a tk cross bc the structure never changed but the smell flavor etc was never close to old school kush it was kush lite
I really really want HP13 I’m gonna try to get a pack and run them but if it’s not even close to the real thing I give up
First it was un tested gear people would get on your ass for then to beat the rat race of the seed game people just started smashing clones together under the guise of “finding something rare” and not having boring consistent genetics which was deemed bad for some reason
The problem is a lot of these strains do not breed true and it’s not until u grow them and understand the plant you understand why they need to be worked for a consistent outcome
someone said TK is true breeding and it is not I grew 4-6 ? Idk maybe more tk crosses last year and only thing that was consistent was the look it grew like a kush I could pick out a tk cross bc the structure never changed but the smell flavor etc was never close to old school kush it was kush lite
I really really want HP13 I’m gonna try to get a pack and run them but if it’s not even close to the real thing I give up
silverhazefiend
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I been saying this for like 3 years bro I grew og from bought seeds and bag seeds and it is not the same but once u say it might be a issue with the moms
All the fanboys come out and tell u about how long someone has been in the game and how long they been holding clones blah blah blah .. I think it goes really deep like cuts like Indiana bubblegum been lost and since 2000s that cut dubbed IBG and passed around is nothing like the orginal bc I haven’t gottten anything close to pink bubblegum ever just kinda sweet berry and it’s mids
Cboat38
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I ain’t gonna lie I love me some og and best I’ve grown out of a lot of different breeders was from cali connection and that was a sapphire og that was straight gassy ethanol like, citrusy swampy earthy terps, I might have to buy a pack since it was a three pack freebie
Alot of the work csi does is preservation work which means that its just making seeds to preserve the genetics and all the variables contained within. So with that, you the grower have to be the one to do the selecting and find the keepers etc. so that may explain the variations in Some situations
skuba
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That's why I bought a lot of csi, to have those gene pools to play with. Nspecta has the real plants too unlike many false claiming breeders
Week4@inCharge
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Just found a thread titled Hello Fellow Farmers...this is CSI: HUMBOLDT and I'm the Nspecta.
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