Damn! Do i have to flush?!?!?!

So this has been going on for the past 3 weeks. I noticed my baby droop down and leaves curling up like claws. I immediately thought Nitrogen Burn so I stopped feeding it nutes 2 weeks ago, just plain ol' R.O. water set @ pH 6.5 for 2 weeks. I've been getting comments that it is and that its not nutrient burn. Some say underwatering. This past week i fed it 1 gallon with nutes, however, i cut the nitrogen by half.



Using Roots Organics 5ml Master Feeding Schedule with Roots Organics 707 soil: http://www.aurorainnovations.org/AuroraInnovations_MasterFeedingSchedule.pdf

I noticed all this happen 3 weeks after i decided to feed it 7ml per gallon. Could adding that extra 2ml really make that big of a difference?

She IS growing but the yellowing has been getting worse. So i guess its time to FLUSH! She is sitting in a 10 gallon fabric pot. Yeah, 10 gallons! newbie mistake. That's why i have this 25 gallon bucket that i just filled with tap water. gonna let it sit out for 24 hours.



since i;ve been feeding it only with r.o. water throughout its lifetime, would giving it tap water affect it whatsoever?

What do you guys think? to Flush? or not to Flush?

Also, ive been feeding it a foliage nutrient application even with the lights on since Veg week 1, im on week 5 going on 6 due it it being in a 10 gallon pot, and i've never noticed any magnifying burns.

Thanks for all the comments and tips in advanced.


-Sammy

This is on April 7


April 10

Also, i have Spring-Tails. Could this be part of my problem. I keep reading that they are harmless, yet others say they feed off of the roots. Can i kill them by drowning them during flush?

Nope, not nute burn. According to CSU info, they do little if any damage to houseplants. Get an organic systemic or an organic foliar insecticide. Make sure not to use anything you can't flush off or out in the case of a systemic. Your plants aren't flowering now so it should not be a problem.

Nute burn will fry the tips and edges of your leaves, nitrogen deficiency will yellow the leaves and weaken the plant. Yours are green and healthy looking for the except for the spots.

Pymethrin will kill wussy springtails . they like overly wet areas. theyeat rotting componates. nice chunkky plants with a excess of water.good draiage? iif they are under the pot its em. they float on water too unless a litte soap in it

Well with the limited information I will try to be helpful. First I belive you may have multiple things happening here in terms of deficiency and over/under watering. She is certianly unhappy so lets try a few things.

First lets take some ph adjusted RO water and flush her. Catch the run off in a bowl or a container. Personally I think 6.5ph is on the high side, I feel far more comfortable at 5.8-6

Lets read the ppm and the ph of the run off water. Based on your nutes and target ppm as well as your regular ph this should tell us a little of whats going on in that pot.

From some of the light colored leaves I do not think there is too much nitrogen, if anything I would say there is too little. I would also begin supplementing with Cal/mag

I have only grown in coco and hydro not organic soils but I would try a little Humex. Droopy plants LOVE this stuff and will do wonders in veg. Careful don't spill it on ANYTHING though cause it doesn't wash out.

Finally another problem could be the soil is simply too dense when wet. The plant may be too young to drink quickly enough to breath and roots are bogged with little oxygen.

Hope something here helps. Good luck.

mtlhaze said:

Well with the limited information I will try to be helpful. First I belive you may have multiple things happening here in terms of deficiency and over/under watering. She is certianly unhappy so lets try a few things.

First lets take some ph adjusted RO water and flush her. Catch the run off in a bowl or a container. Personally I think 6.5ph is on the high side, I feel far more comfortable at 5.8-6

Lets read the ppm and the ph of the run off water. Based on your nutes and target ppm as well as your regular ph this should tell us a little of whats going on in that pot.

From some of the light colored leaves I do not think there is too much nitrogen, if anything I would say there is too little. I would also begin supplementing with Cal/mag

I have only grown in coco and hydro not organic soils but I would try a little Humex. Droopy plants LOVE this stuff and will do wonders in veg. Careful don't spill it on ANYTHING though cause it doesn't wash out.

Finally another problem could be the soil is simply too dense when wet. The plant may be too young to drink quickly enough to breath and roots are bogged with little oxygen.

Hope something here helps. Good luck.

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My fabric pot sits on top of a milk crate which sits on top of a 5 gallon bucket. All the run off falls into the bucket. I just checked the PH on it and it reads 6.15. I Feed with ph 6.5. I dont have a PPM meter. If i did, what would be an ideal ppm for a plant this old? She is 56 days old today, midnight Thursday. 7 weeks weeks old. but didn't start vegging until week 2. I wanted to extend the Veg cycle to get more out of all this soil shes sitting in.

I will definitely look into Humex; is that a cal/Mag supplement?, just read its awesome for Organic Soil.

However, i doubt the soil is too dense, i get crazy run off when feeding it with One Gallon. Since you said that it just might be a Nutrient Deficiency, Should i feed it two gallons worth of Nutrients weekly?

Damn, i should've posted this thread before i filled up 30 gallons of water!

Coho said:

Pymethrin will kill wussy springtails . they like overly wet areas. theyeat rotting componates. nice chunkky plants with a excess of water.good draiage? iif they are under the pot its em. they float on water too unless a litte soap in it

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thanks for the Advice. Yeah, those things aren't pretty to look at.

So two people here say it is NOT NUTE BURN... Hmmm....

Google nutrient burn. You'll get a definitive answer and pictures too. Amazing what one can find by looking.(not trying to be a smart ass but it would make things easier and faster than waiting for a possibly disastrous answer from the wrong "expert".)

If the water runs off easily then great, we know the roots are getting air. I could not advise you on how to feed your organic soil since it may have everything it needs in there. See the problem with organics is you will benefit more from beneficial microbes in the soil and you will NEED them to break down the organic matter in order to supply your plant with the nutrients it needs. From what I have learnt along the way is that using synthetic nutrients in your soil could harm these microbes and even reduce their population because of the salts.

Since the soil is your primary source of nutrients look into adding beneficial microbes (white shark, zho powder), using some unsulphered black strap molasses to feed these microbes as well as add some micro nutrients and only supplement the soil with Humex and cal/mag for now.

One thing i do know would be amazing for any soil is brewing your own compost tea. Look up "Heisenberg tea". This is NOT just for hydro, it will populate your soil with billions of beneficial microbes.

Now begin reading about organic growing in soil, there are MANY resources that can help you. I don't want to suggest more as I really only know coco and hydro with my organic knowledge coming only with my tomatoes and raspberries lol.

Good luck!

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Since the soil is your primary source of nutrients look into adding beneficial microbes (white shark, zho powder), using some unsulphered black strap molasses to feed these microbes as well as add some micro nutrients and only supplement the soil with Humex and cal/mag for now.

Good luck!

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I mean the molasses will add micro nutrients as well. Don't buy any micro off the shelf.

Those plants are very green with very slight claw. Normally I wouldn't worry much and cut back the nutes a little. However, you can see springtails in dirt? I am still battling some of those bastards in some DWC buckets. Springtails were making my leaves curl down. I killed a bunch with Azamax but you have to be persistent. I just heard of them this year and learned about them this year. I got these from some custom cow shit dirt a gifted plant was growing in. Live and learn.

To me the springtails are some kind of larvae and they must grow into some kind of bug. When I started looking in the dirt the springtails came from, the dirt is alive with super small black bugs. I can only see them with my glasses on. They never fly so they aren't fungus gnats. I mixed up a soil drench of Azamax and they were all dead 20 minutes later. I'm sure there are eggs that will hatch later so this will be an ongoing problem. They don't like permethrin but it doesn't seem like an effective way of controlling them. I was worried the Azamax would harm my plants but it doesn't at all. I would drench them with Azamax once a week for 3 weeks and hope for the best.

WOW! Thanks for these replies and advice. Sorry for the late response though. here's a link to my update: https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/646197-nutrient-burn-overwater-underwater.html

Sorry but this post is filled with nonsense , be careful of the advice given here . I think others that state they have NO experience with soil should read and learn verses spewing shitty advice !

To the OP , Your growing in Roots Organic soil and all soil grows need a proper Ph range of 6.5-6-8 for optimal growth and yields , going lower is possible if the soils buffer (Dolomite Lime ) is adequate and not broken down . Its most common for growers to hit Soil with a lower Ph and this spells trouble unless they have amended the soil with Lime or Oyster shell , the later is not as superior and I dont like it myself ..

Get that Ph back in range and this minor blemish and growth will reverse itself .. Best of Karma .PotSnob