Deficiency - please advise.

perhaps you should return to ohsogreen's advice and stop with the adding of all these nutrients and additives. this may be the main reason its getting worse again. just my opinion

I agree but cutting nutes right back is easier said than done. Once you flush your soil a few times, you wash all nutrients away. Also the plant is sitting under 400hps ( 1-2 feet away ) and so it is in a hyper-natural situation. So just watering alone, I assume, will result in deficiencies.

I have been adding 1/2 strength nutes and added fulvic acid/Humic acid ( and some Kelp). It really helped in nutrient transfer into the roots. My 2 weeks old buds are looking fine but the leaves are not recovering from nuteburn. Cest La vie.

Also I no longer ph adjust with ph up. I noticed even if I put ph 5 water/nutes into the soil, the runnoff water has ph 7. So there must be saly buildup.

However, for my next grow, I will be much more careful with nutrient application.

Here is a photo from 2 weeks ago. Once I recharge my camera Ill post a photo of the extensive budding. Thanks to all those who cared to help and comment.

Nute lock-out. Flush with PH adjusted plain water at a rate of 2x the soil quantity, then water with PH adjusted water with Epsom salt added at a rate of 1/4 tsp per gallon for a couple waterings then resume your regular feeding/watering schedule.

akornpatch said:

Nute lock-out. Flush with PH adjusted plain water at a rate of 2x the soil quantity, then water with PH adjusted water with Epsom salt added at a rate of 1/4 tsp per gallon for a couple waterings then resume your regular feeding/watering schedule.

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I followed a similar route except epson salt scares me so I used a micronutrient fertiliser. Things seem ok. Ill post lots of photos tonight.

Also soon my grapefruit diesel seeds will be planted Ill post a new thread on them. I gotta tell you.. i love this forum.

I'd just listen to ohsogreen and follow it to a "t". He is the bomb-dot-com.
good luck

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I have followed Ohsogreens guidance. He gave me detailed info and actually essentially fixed the problem. However, as you all know, we are trying to produce super plants. My expectations exceed that of a natural eventuality of a plant and thus I search for enhancements and try to gather experience. I am starting a molases diet soon. also I treated my bloom plant with kelp last week and as of this week ill be usuing a verticcal growth inhibitor/ bud enhancer called Bushmaster (Humboldt brand)

Granted if one puts a seed in soil and water it it grows... but is that all we want to achieve? I think not. We want to enhance and learn so that at least in future we can create super buds, seeds and in my case nice photos.

Look at hte nutirent range of bottles I have:

Fox Farm Grow Big-veg grow
Fox Farm Big Bloom - Bloom
Fox Farm Tiger bloom- Bloom
Fox Farm Cha ching- Bud Enhancer

Superthirve-- vitamin b + Hormones
H2O2 and No DAmp - bacteria and fungi managemet
Diamond Nectar- Humic acis and fulvic acid--Nute transport into roots/carbs

Growth Plus -- Kelp and sea weed
Earth Juice Microblast -- micronutes and some N
Epson Salt -- Mg source
Bush Master- Vertical Growth inhibitor
Molases- Carbohydrates and Phosphorus

All added to Fox Farm Ocean Forest soil which already has BatGuano, Earth Worm Castings and other sources of Nutes. The seeds are also gentically enhanced.

See! .. Do plants really need this much crap to grow? I bet NOT otherwise planet earth would be a desert. But selective use of proper Nutes, and getting the hang of your growth mechanisms will eventually make you an awsome grower. That plus the perks of harvest are my goal. Sorry to go off on a philosophical rant. )

Stop, Flush (twice), & add nothing for a week but plain water. Then stop adding so much stuff.
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If you want more bud, grow another plant. It's much cheaper, less complicated and works. The fulvic acid will just speed the break down of nutes present in the soil, that are not yet availabe to the plant - overuse will flood the plant with nutes & exhuast your soil making it completely life-less. Life begets....Life.... Dead ground offers no return......
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https://www.rollitup.org/organics/100745-stress-living-centerfold.html
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Keep it Real....Simple....or be doomed to failure...which guarantees no Super Buds.....
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I had a similar problem in my soil grow and was lucky enough to have the guy who owns TH Seeds at my house and give me some of the best advice out there. (He didnt come all the way from Holland to give me advice, was just here on an unrelated matter) Basically he said that soil grows should have pretty much all the nutrients you would need for the entire grow, as long as its a good soil mix to start with, worm castings etc. He said to add a little bat guano gradually more and more until late flowering, then stop and use pure water for the last week or so. My plants were suffering nute lock from being in a pot which was too small and had small brown spots and leaf tips, also that weird shaded discolouration that yours seem to have. He suggested putting the plants in a bigger pot (the bigger the better) and using Advanced nutrients Tarrantula which is a bacteria that eats up all the locked nutes and shits them out as unlocked usable nutes. I did this, and sure enough, all the fresh vegetation was lush and green again, and the manky leaves also got back to their usual colour......Anyway, it worked for me, I hope this can be of some use to you aswell

OK OHsogreen, But wouldnt it be nice to develop a plant that oozes THC like syrup? One that has trichome heads the size of an apple with smoke that could taste like watermelon if you wanted it to?

I enjoyed reading your thread. I respect and agree with most of the opinions and wisdom offerred. Some of your advice does not apply (Like watering Weekly) as my plant goes from flush wet to wiltin leaves and losing most weight of the water in the pot in 4 days. IThe pot is one of those CFC free5 gallon styrophome coolers from walmart. The plant in it is large (top of the canopy is 3'x2') and I run on the hotter side at 30-32C.

But yep, cant leave her alone. I envy guys with larger gardens. They can have many plants in different stages and can afford to experiment a lot. I am trying to germinate a few Grapefruit -Diesels and a few Somango. Plus the clones from Blueberry (which is not going well). Pollinating should be fun comihg up soon and I am awaiting on the other thread to figure out how too isolate the pollinated buds.

WillC thanks for advice. I would like to change the pot, but see, the buds are growing ok and I would not wanna give the plant another type of shock to complicate things. Tarrantula Sounds like good product. Ill ge it I think. but for now the maximum I do is flush and be mild in all actions I wanto to add kelp, 1/2 strenght FF Big Bloom, molases and light diamond nectar (Huumic /fulvic). Occasionally BushMaster too.

I was wondering where I can see teh pictures of your gardens. Please post your plant picture links if you want when you respond. Thanks everyone for the support.

Did anyone ask him if he is useing R/O or distilled water? I had plants that looked close to those once when I bought my R/O system. It continued to get worse until I added CalMag to my Nut Soup.

Just and Idea.

timbo1212 said:

OK OHsogreen, But wouldnt it be nice to develop a plant that oozes THC like syrup? One that has trichome heads the size of an apple with smoke that could taste like watermelon if you wanted it to?

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You can not fertilize a plant to sucess or genetic shifts of any value.
All breeders know, it takes time, patience and good parents to make it happen. Not fifteen bottles of nutes. Overfertilizing will cause toxic shock , stunt the plants growth and reduce yield. Not to mention, all the extra ferts stored in every last square mm of plant tissue will make it smoke harsh. Cause you will be smoking ferts as well as Bud - Yuck.....
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The only way to acheive the high potency plant you dream of is through careful selection of good parents. That takes years of growing out thousands of plants, picking the superior ones, crossing, back crossing and lots of patience. Breeding is not for everyone, most don't have the time or the patience.
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It is also the reason, Master Breeders like Soma - get $ 300 for ten beans. They've spent years, making that kick a*s strain, the will knock your socks off. It does not happen over night.
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I hope in the days to come, the light bulb comes on.
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Keep it Real.....
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I will, in appreciation of all the true guidance and wisdom you offer, give my plant only water ( no nutes ) for the next watering. Instead of working to make better plants, I try to be a better gardener.


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