DEFOLIATION . . . . a hands on approach!

Do you defoliate?

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RM3

RM3

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Cannabil said:
Some of the best weed I ever smoked was on vacation in the islands filled with seeds. Been growing it there for hundreds of years and looked like complete shit.

I know your point. Im talking about indoor growing and reducing the impact of chemical cancer causing agents in ur meds. Flushing does help remove toxins and salts from ur meds and in turn provides smoother, better tasting flowers. I can always tell if someone flushed, ppl say they cant I absolutely can with no doubt in my mind know the difference.
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Oh how I would love to do a blind test with you :) you could not be more wrong

and my point about the Malano Creme is ,,,,, it is grown in the Kulu Valley where there are 3 lead mines, an active volcano and a hot sulfur springs that runs thru it. There is so much lead sulfate in the hot springs that it turns the drinking water white in several of the towns & villages (yes, I've done the research) IOW it is grown in an area rife with heavy metals and is still the highest priced cannabis in the world
 
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Cannabil

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Only thing with any green should be leaves. And usually those arent as green either but this was only a quick 5 day flush I went on vacay and had cut early bcuz they finished sooner than I expected. Notice all the buds are white, they were green before I cut em down. But now all chlorophyll broke down. So the question why are buds not yellow its bcuz if chlorophyll has nothing to do w nutrients.

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Cannabil

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RM3 said:
Oh how I would love to do a blind test with you :) you could not be more wrong

and my point about the Malano Creme is ,,,,, it is grown in the Kulu Valley where there are 3 lead mines, an active volcano and a hot sulfur springs that runs thru it. There is so much lead sulfate in the hot springs that it turns the drinking water white in several of the towns & villages (yes, I've done the research) IOW it is grown in an area rife with heavy metals and is still the highest priced cannabis in the world
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I would take that challenge any day and pass with flying colors promise u this.
 
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Cannabil

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I wouldnt even wanna smoke some shit near any lead based soil near a volcano. U shud find out all pplwho smoke and age and amount of ppl who get cancer. Its probably astronomical
 
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Cannabil

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My buddy who grows using the current culture and has his own personal shit he does all organics. Same exact strain which is the g13 haze i spoke about. Not only does it smell and taste completely different it also looks completely different as well.

The all organic g13 is covered in resins, has purple all throughout the flowers and smells and taste so much better. It also burns smoother and is way less harsh on ur throat. If he rolls up 2 joints and asks me which one is which I can tell immediately, as u can taste the metals from after taste in ur mouth from the current culture. He uses Gh 3 part in that system.
 
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Cannabil

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I dont have one of those crazy cameras u guys use that just a iphone pic, when my wife gets home ill borrow hers and upload them gimme a half hour or so and ill post.
 
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Cannabil

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Point was that those were green as grass before they were cut n cured. Now they arent and its because of chlorophyll not nutrients that was the point but u missed it obviously
 
RM3

RM3

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Cannabil said:
Only thing with any green should be leaves. And usually those arent as green either but this was only a quick 5 day flush I went on vacay and had cut early bcuz they finished sooner than I expected. Notice all the buds are white, they were green before I cut em down. But now all chlorophyll broke down. So the question why are buds not yellow its bcuz if chlorophyll has nothing to do w nutrients.

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Nice buds for sure but to me is not white but rather several shades of green

You have your wife doin lab test on who knows how many improperly grown buds and some anecdotal youtube spark me up vid

and I have a patient that is hypersensitive as in carries an epi pen, wears a breathing mask outside, has a hepa filter system in his house and smokes my buds with zero issue

and I use Jack's all the way thru and never flush
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Cannabil said:
My buddy who grows using the current culture and has his own personal shit he does all organics. Same exact strain which is the g13 haze i spoke about. Not only does it smell and taste completely different it also looks completely different as well.

The all organic g13 is covered in resins, has purple all throughout the flowers and smells and taste so much better. It also burns smoother and is way less harsh on ur throat. If he rolls up 2 joints and asks me which one is which I can tell immediately, as u can taste the metals from after taste in ur mouth from the current culture. He uses Gh 3 part in that system.
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you can't flush an organic soil, so, how can that be? HMMMM?
 
jacksthc

jacksthc

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I tried defoliation, trimming, lst and topping my plants years ago

the results was not great at first but I could see the potential would be amazing over time

I could trim, train the plants into any shap I wanted and every shoot would have the perfect spacing, light, air flow it needs to grow, to give me the best yeild the plant could ever produced

over the last few years my results are getting better every crop and so I keep watching and learning how my plants grow

just don't why anyone thinks growing plants in a pot and hopping for the best will give you the yeild, they will need less time in veg but thats only a week

taking nearly any strain, low plant count and
getting a full level canopy in late flower is real skill and this can be pull off with enough practice :)
 
Silky T

Silky T

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Semper.Fi said:
I'm trying to remove leaves before the plant's metabolism includes them as, and makes them, larger storage facilities. Leaving it till the plant relies on the leaves heavily for storage, I find is more detrimental to the plant, it messes with the internal workings; it's metabolism; shocks it too much.

I've found that if they are nipped off earlier, whilst they are still being built INTO the storage facilities, the metabolism of the plant simply does not halt, if anything, if the plant is growing 100%, it quickens the growth of the next leaf and internode above, stops the vertical growth of the internode the leaf was just starting to power AND fires auxin and the likes into the intern node itself . . . . the repair mechanism ??

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I came here just for this reason. Trim or not to trim. Mine is a matter of the leaves turning yellow because I used too strong of a nute mixture and had to flush them. I went from bushy green plants to having some of my new little leaves turning yellow and a couple of the large fan leaves! I was horrified but after long thought, I went ahead and trimmed the yellow leaves. I like this comment from above "if anything, if the plant is growing 100%, it quickens the growth of the next leaf and internode above" That's what I'm hoping. The girls are in their later stages of growth, probably another two to three weeks and they're done. The two fan leaves were out from this center nug and I figured it's about done so all it has to do is get frostier--hopefully.
 

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RM3

RM3

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Cannabil said:
I wouldnt even wanna smoke some shit near any lead based soil near a volcano. U shud find out all pplwho smoke and age and amount of ppl who get cancer. Its probably astronomical
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well again you are wrong, cancer cases in the Kullu Valley region of India are at 10,000 with 1800 to 2000 new cases a year. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110725/himachal.htm#9

The lowest new cases per year in the US is 2890 in Wyoming with Texas having 115,730 new cases in 2014 www.cancer.org/Research/CancerFactsStatistics/CancerFactsFigures2014/estimated-new-cases-by-state-2014.pdf
 
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Cannabil

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Marijuana is also illegal in India and not alot of people smoke it like they do in the US. I said get an article that shows out of the people in that area who smoke marijuana grown by that volcano the amount of ppl who get cancer out of that group of individuals. Not the entire population.

Lead is a cancerous causing if u grow something near a volcano with all those toxins and metals from Earth it aint good for you period. Take Hawaii for example thats a known issue out there.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Cannabil said:
You can flush anything. But the point is organic dont need it ur not using synthetic lab made shit w all the contaminants in it. Thats the point of growing organics DUH
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you can flush bennies and fungus out of the soil? organic doesn't need it, then how do you remove the chlorophyll and get "white" better tasting buds from organic grown? It just doesn't compute batman
 
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Cannabil

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So ur not answering or refuting my point about chlorophyll.

Chlorophyll doesnt make ur plants and buds green when they r growing? So when u cure ur plants do they stay green like they were before u cut them?

R they green bcuz of nutrients or chlorophyll?

Exactly, nutrients stored in plant have nothing to do w color of the flowers. Its the chlorophyll. And when u starve a plant and its no longer able to contine ATP AND PHOTOSYNTHESIS it deplete nutrient reserves and will eventually turn yellow. If u flush long enough this will happen to the flowers as well and they would turn yellow too.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Cannabil said:
So ur not answering or refuting my point about chlorophyll.

Chlorophyll doesnt make ur plants and buds green when they r growing? So when u cure ur plants do they stay green like they were before u cut them?

R they green bcuz of nutrients or chlorophyll?

Exactly, nutrients stored in plant have nothing to do w color of the flowers. Its the chlorophyll. And when u starve a plant and its no longer able to contine ATP AND PHOTOSYNTHESIS it deplete nutrient reserves and will eventually turn yellow. If u flush long enough this will happen to the flowers as well and they would turn yellow too.
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gonna call the apple tree farmers and let them know, for a better tasting apple, kill your trees right before you harvest those apples, makes sense to me.:dunce:
 
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