chuck estevez
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LOL
DEFOLIATION . . . . a hands on approach!
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Jimdamick
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Your posts are pretty much accurate in the sense that organics do taste better. As far as burn goes, that is mostly in the cure in my opinion, although it can be argued that synthetics do affect it. Most good nute companies recommend dropping the PPM/EC for the final 3 weeks of bloom, which I definitely do. I run 3 recirculating drip systems (different rooms) that I stop adding nutes to during the last 2-2.5 weeks of bloom. I run a high ppm solution (1400 PPM), and at week 5, do a complete system flush (Clearex for 3 hours), and just add fresh water to the res. My PPM after a day of just water will be still be 1400, at least. As day's go by, by just adding water, the PPM will drop gradually to about 700-800 at week 8. The root system holds more than enough nutes in it to survive, for a shit long time, probably for months. Does flushing accomplish anything? In soil, no. In hydo, I think it does, as the reduction of available nutes in the feed water, causes the plant to pull more energy (chems) from the leaves, which (maybe) makes for a better burn and taste.
Jimdamick
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Ah Doc, this is way more entertaining that talking about chopping plants to pieces, and discussing the benefits of it.
Anyway, Chucky has Canabil on the ropes, but Canabil, it seems, is a worthy opponent. Nice. Plus we are discussing volcanoes, lead in paints, wild ganja in Africa and what Indians ( people from India) are smoking today, and a whole lot of other cool shit. This like the Discovery Channel, though one run by stoners. I love it
SPLFreak808
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Whatever you give your plant doesnt matter if it is/was heavy metals early in flower, then it is in there late in flower. While metals chlorine ect can be fatal to us in large doses, our body actually still needs them to survive just like the plants! If we are starving, getting fed from an IV vs actually eating is very much like being synthetically fed, your body cant tell, its your stomach that breaks down food for minerals. Even my fully organically grown plants will take in heavy metals and contaminants from the air instead of the roots if the roots are dry. The need to not flush organics isnt because it doesnt have stored salt build ups, the plant naturally slows the soil life so it can feed itself via foliage. Its just nature, plants live and die.
Even though cannabis is not considered a hyperaccumulator it does have a high biomass and is capable of accumulating heavy metals that it consumed and absorbs from the roots which are primarily stored in its leaves and shoots and also into its buds.
This is one problem with high (P) foods, phosphorus binds these metals and contaminants and causes all kinds of problems long term when run at high levels like most of the nutrients sold in this industry. Im sure everyone who reads these forums knows how bad high P foods are not only for plant health but for human health when ingesting or inhaling flowers grown from high P ferts. Its all around no bueno.
Not only do high P foods cause toxic build up in ur rhizosphere they also cause toxic build upof contaminants and heavy metals in ur plants. They bind this shit and in turn ur plants uptake them thru its roots and store them into ur plants tissues and cells.
By flushing u are reducing the impact of your plants absorbing and allocating the nutrients and contaminants into ur flowers especially during ripening. The purpose of flushing is to force the plant to convert the stored nutrients into sugars and carbs to provide energy to ur plant. By flushing ur enabling the plant to allocate the stored nutrients and diminishing the amount and concetration from uptaking more of these metals and toxins from ur roots (since u wont be supplying them with any) and it turn you are reducing the amount and levels stored in cells tissue from leaves and stems.
You will never be able to remove all of the heavy metals and toxing stored in these cells and tissue but ur reducing the contents and amounts drastically during the flush which is important and ensures that the flowers will burn smoothly and less harsh than not flushing. Flushing is not anything new and isnt specific to cannabis as its done on many different plants. Same as defoliation MJ growers took this concept from other veggies and fruit applications that increased harvest and size of fruits and implemented it into cannabis cultivation and the same results happened which is increase in flower size and yields.
Thats why its important to know what sources of nutrients u are using since there are many different grades of fertilizers which all are processed and derived from diff sources. Some being far superior than others. Although a plant doesnt know what type of sources they are uptaking "we do" because we know what we are giving them. So being conscious of what we feed are plants leads to overall better quality meds and a peace of mind. Whether u feel its not the case isnt up for debate there are many sources and information regarding this subject all over the internet that are easy to access and obtain for any interested in it. Its up to us as growers to be aware of this fact and providing the best nutrients and safest products we can when growing our meds to ensure they are free from these harmful metals and toxins. Why not take the steps and use the information we have to grow good clean medicines? I know it makes a difference to me as well as other people. And in todays age i find it very important since so many ppl are health conscious and want to know what they r putting into their bodies. Thats why i dont grow using lab made synthetics and choose to use primarily organics in cultivating. The benefits definetely outweigh the cons. Even if im losing final yield by small amount its worth it in the end because quality is better and safer for consumption.
This is one problem with high (P) foods, phosphorus binds these metals and contaminants and causes all kinds of problems long term when run at high levels like most of the nutrients sold in this industry. Im sure everyone who reads these forums knows how bad high P foods are not only for plant health but for human health when ingesting or inhaling flowers grown from high P ferts. Its all around no bueno.
Not only do high P foods cause toxic build up in ur rhizosphere they also cause toxic build upof contaminants and heavy metals in ur plants. They bind this shit and in turn ur plants uptake them thru its roots and store them into ur plants tissues and cells.
By flushing u are reducing the impact of your plants absorbing and allocating the nutrients and contaminants into ur flowers especially during ripening. The purpose of flushing is to force the plant to convert the stored nutrients into sugars and carbs to provide energy to ur plant. By flushing ur enabling the plant to allocate the stored nutrients and diminishing the amount and concetration from uptaking more of these metals and toxins from ur roots (since u wont be supplying them with any) and it turn you are reducing the amount and levels stored in cells tissue from leaves and stems.
You will never be able to remove all of the heavy metals and toxing stored in these cells and tissue but ur reducing the contents and amounts drastically during the flush which is important and ensures that the flowers will burn smoothly and less harsh than not flushing. Flushing is not anything new and isnt specific to cannabis as its done on many different plants. Same as defoliation MJ growers took this concept from other veggies and fruit applications that increased harvest and size of fruits and implemented it into cannabis cultivation and the same results happened which is increase in flower size and yields.
Thats why its important to know what sources of nutrients u are using since there are many different grades of fertilizers which all are processed and derived from diff sources. Some being far superior than others. Although a plant doesnt know what type of sources they are uptaking "we do" because we know what we are giving them. So being conscious of what we feed are plants leads to overall better quality meds and a peace of mind. Whether u feel its not the case isnt up for debate there are many sources and information regarding this subject all over the internet that are easy to access and obtain for any interested in it. Its up to us as growers to be aware of this fact and providing the best nutrients and safest products we can when growing our meds to ensure they are free from these harmful metals and toxins. Why not take the steps and use the information we have to grow good clean medicines? I know it makes a difference to me as well as other people. And in todays age i find it very important since so many ppl are health conscious and want to know what they r putting into their bodies. Thats why i dont grow using lab made synthetics and choose to use primarily organics in cultivating. The benefits definetely outweigh the cons. Even if im losing final yield by small amount its worth it in the end because quality is better and safer for consumption.
chuck estevez
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whew, good thing I use a low P nutrient. Scuse me, shit is getting thick in here, for someone who was done with this a LONGTIME ago, Pik-booster3 is still trying his hard sell.
Who is Pik-booster3? What the hell does that mean, is that me ur speaking too or someone else? Thanks
If you are speaking to me. What am I trying to sell? Im confused about this. I said before you dont have to do any of this it doesnt bother me. We can end the conversation now and move on to something else and Im cool with that too.
Just responding to all these messages I have and trying to explain my point which was over cast by non sense imho. But thats all fine and well. I guess this argument is over and noone agrees on whether you should or shouldnt flush your plants before harvest. I think you should, you say we shouldnt so be it. End of the conversation than no?
Just responding to all these messages I have and trying to explain my point which was over cast by non sense imho. But thats all fine and well. I guess this argument is over and noone agrees on whether you should or shouldnt flush your plants before harvest. I think you should, you say we shouldnt so be it. End of the conversation than no?
chuck estevez
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ok, pik-booster, let's move on
What does that mean? I dont get it. That supposed to be a name for something or a message that I missed somewhere. I dont know why you can't explain what that is all about.
chuck estevez
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How is your hydro store doing?
Huh? What hydro store. I never said I have a hydro store. Who are you talking to? I've never said a word about a store, I think youre losing your marbles my friend.
whats your story anyways. You just come on here and hijack peoples threads and conversation to make yourself seem important or to occupy your day? Or are you a troll who just feels the need to butt into others peoples conversation. Me and RM3 were having a good discussion until you came into this conversation with your non sense and now your calling me names and talking about a hydro store when I never said anything about a store in any part of this conversation. Not to mention I rarely even go to any hydro stores not only because the closest one to me is over an hour away but prices at these places is ridiculous compared to online. Only thing I even grab a hydro stores is nutrients other than that I dont even go to them. So if you are attempting to start something I'd rather you just be upfront instead of talking about some bullsh*t and throwing shade in my direction.
If you dont like my opinions or my methods of growing all is well and thats fine with me, but Im not here to get into arguments with fellow growers about ridiculous non sense. If you wanna talk about growing lets do it, if you are here to be a d*ck bring it someone else who has time for it because I'd rather not engage in such activities. Thank you and I truly hope that you read it and that it soaks into your brain so we know where we both stand moving forward.
chuck estevez
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lol
Dr. Who
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Yeah it is fun ain't it......I got the "cool it" bomb. So I'm watching......Don't really want any UB style "time outs"......I have a mostly round house - I'd go nuts just trying to find a corner!
PiK
Just who highjacked what?
Doc
What the hell is going on here. I must missed some posts on this thread what is a UB time out and I'm assuming Doc is "PiK" what does that stand for anyways i tried look it up and nothing comes up? Someone fill me in would be great.
Any who, I see Doc is back on here riled up waitin to start some trouble it seems.
Maybe he can fill us all in on the art of growing and chime into this lovely conversation about flushing. Please drop some knowledge and wisdom on here I would like to know your thoughts on flushing and whether you think its worth doing or not doing with any information you have on this subject matter.
Aways open to hear others opinions on this matter.
pseudobotanist
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Not to be condescending but you didn't seem too open to hear opinions about flushing. I provided you with links and an explanation about your "organic" and synthetic fertilizer understanding.
Based off that, organic ferts would last longer in your soil making your flushing method moot since no matter how many times you water your soil, if the microbes havnt converted that organic matter over into an inorganic matter it will remain in he soil
Based off that, organic ferts would last longer in your soil making your flushing method moot since no matter how many times you water your soil, if the microbes havnt converted that organic matter over into an inorganic matter it will remain in he soil
Because ur missing the point. You dont need to flush organics like u do with synthetics because the heavy metals and contaminants arent being forced into ur plant via the roots.
Thats the whole point of my conversation Im not talking about growing organics I never was. Im talking about using synthetics, im open to any discussion about any subject matter but if people arent listening to what I have to say and wanna argue and bring up things im not even talking about its quite frustrating.
Leave organics out of the conversation. Lets start over! Flushing is necessary for aiding in reduced amounts of heavy metals, toxins and contaminants including excessive salts when growing with SYNTHETIC NUTRIENTS.
The purpose in doing so is making sure your root zone is free from these harmful contaminants in turn reducing the levels and amounts of these concentrates from your flowers. Therefore your final product will result in a cleaner smoother product. Which will burn better, and also taste better because it does not contain the vast amounts of these bi product in your flowers.
The purpose of flushing is multi-faceted in the fact that not only does it aid in reducing the toxic contaminants and levels in your flowers, but flushing also aids in ripening flowers by forcing them to deplete itself of stored nutrients in the leaves and stems and ultimately in your harvested flowers.
I dont know who brought up organics or talked about the diff in flushing when growing this way but it wasnt me. I believe it was chuck who said that plants cant tell where nutrients come from, how can you flush organics etc..
Anything can be flushed. Organics can also be flushed from your mediums just as easily as synthetics but it isnt needed because you dont have all the metals and contaminants that synthetic nutrient contain, so for its purpose isnt as necessary in doing so. It is always adviseable to flush any medium for a minimum of a week including organics. Reducing the amount of nutrients in your flowers leads to better cleaner smoke. Burns evenly, dries better and cures easier. Organic grown medicine always smells, tastes better and usually in my opinion smokes much better because it burns clean. You dont have the snaps and pops you get with heavily synthetic grown meds. And none of that chemical after taste in your mouth which i personally fcking hate.