The plants in the above photos are NOT defoliated.
that's what i was trying to figure out with the shit you were saying.
basically, defoliating has proven to work, it's been well documented on numerous boards but yet hear you and others are preaching the opposite as if it's gospel.
funny thing is that you all talk about how it's unnatural or it's purpose isn't natural and only hurts the plants. as i stated, indoor growing period isn't optimal conditions for growing plants, but yet here we are growing indoors. actual fact, when it's applied, plants benefit from certain stresses and defoliating is one of them if it's done right and of course strain/pheno dependent.
just like topping, where you are taking off limbs instead, certain strains benefit from it while others don't and i think that is where you and others get confused at. just like how some strains/pheno's don't take well to topping and lsting, the same goes for defoliating. what it all comes down to is how much you know your strain/pheno and it's likes and dislike and once one figure that much, if feasible, defoliating is just as useful as any other form of training.
i got documented grows on other boards (unintentionally) where i didn't defoliate on a grow and one where i did and you can definitely see the difference between the grows. better bud formation being one of them, so don't tell me it doesn't work when i seen actual proof for myself. i also noticed better airflow whenever i defoliated, which is recommended with certain strains that are very indica dominate, and possibly prevented pm.
seems like you guys like to post a small portion of info (to only accentuate your point) and leave out the rest.
It isn't difficult to "figure out" what I am saying, use your brain... Reading Comprehension 101. Did you really read all my posts in this thread? I even use proper English grammar and punctuation to make it easier, unlike many others.
There is really no sense trying to explain, logically, why something is entirely absurd and completely illogical to someone who really believes it, huh? Oh, so it has been "documented" on numerous other... er, internet forums, you tell me? Well alrighty, then! Perhaps you could provide me and my associates here with some good, old fashioned, credible documentation? You could explain to us what exactly "defoliation" encompasses, what happens when you "defoliate" and most importantly
why would this be of any benefit? What makes it better than the various alternatives?
By the way, photos on internet forums amount to zilch! The things that people associate with their grow room observations is some times astonishing. Honestly, people typically have absolutely no idea why grow B turned out better than grow A. Whether you decided for whatever reason, whenever, to remove how ever many fan leaves; this doesn't automatically mean
that made the "bud formation better". There are myriad variables to consider, even amongst clones in the
same grow room never mind different plants
from altogether separate grows. You're damn right I am not going to just accept such bs "actual proof you seen yourself". I mean, come on.
Again, first of all, familiarize yourself with
confirmation bias. Now allow me to reiterate how pictures on forums typically mean; nil, null, nothing. People can set up grow 'experiments' to show whatever result they want as far as making one plant bigger than another goes. Someone could bloom one group of plants under a 600 watt HPS, the other under a 600 watt halide and you'll "see a difference". One could bloom just one group under a 1000 watt halide and you'll "see a difference" and have a much larger yield.
But it could be something even more innocuous and the grower doesn't even realize the results of his experiment are invalid. For example you have two groups of plants: clones from the same mother. You want to do such and such to one group and leave the other as a control. You have two identical 600 watt HPS lighting systems (ballast, reflector, air cooling), in identical grow tents. But, they aren't really the same because you forgot to consider the detail of bulb brand and age. Sure they are both 600 watt high pressure sodium lamps; but one is a Hortilux and it is brand new, the other is a 'Plant Max' and it is 4+ months old.
Aside from that I believe we've already established topping\super cropping as a much more universal plant phenomenon, which more importantly can be explained in scientific terms. What are we leaving out, anything?
