defoliation? yes/no and techniques

i got a link for all the non believers, will post up later when i am back on.

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Or, rather, it is quite obvious that you know not what you are talking about but desperately want others to think that you do.

dopedeeii said:

Sum preflower clean up shot's example of how much I take away beforView attachment 2580229View attachment 2580230View attachment 2580232e 12/12

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Doesn't seem like defoliation to me. That's the point of defoliation to take of leaves so u dont have to remove bud sites down low. Lollipopping defeats the whole point of this "defoliation". Why are u lollipopping if your defoliating it specifically says by the "defoliator keep trees" that's the whole purpose of this unproductive practice of removing leaves so you don't have to remove nug sites.

DoomsDay said:

Umm... I didn't see a quantitive measurement under the definition of the term defoliation.

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I seriously doubt you even looked it up.

DoomsDay said:

If one leaf is removed, that is the removal of foliage. Therefore, it has been defoliated.

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Really? Fail.

DoomsDay said:

There is a line between ripping your plants to shreds ( what you schmucks say us defoliation) and defoliating properly to help assist the plant as best as we think we can. Just as every grower does by removing the weak lower stems, topping, fim'ing, etc. all in how people choose to do their thing. As previously stated, I know what works for me.

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Refer to earlier in the thread where I reminded everybody that topping\super-cropping, for example, is an observable response that we can induce and it is not specific to Cannabis. Apical dominance is an observable phenomenon. We know what happens when you remove the apical tip and, for the most part, we know why it happens.

Otherwise, though, sure, go on and try to personally redefine a term all you want in order to be that cool hipster grower you want to be, or whatever.

A defoliant is any chemical sprayed or dusted on plants to cause its leaves to fall off. A classic example of a highly toxic defoliant used for tactical purposes is Agent Orange, which was used widely by the U.S. military during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1970.

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No fruit\flower producers 'defoliate' their plants to increase yield. If you prune, you prune; you don't 'defoliate'. Bonsai trees, maybe.

Fresh 2 De@th said:

says who, you? and you are again, who? oh i guess since you threw up a pic of that commercial, you proved you're point more so than others.

just to let everyone know, so you won't be fooled, here's the description on Eva's Monster-https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/eva-seeds-monster/prod_629.html. this variety that produce large buds that basically grows itself. once again, nothing special, it's a commercial strain with a commercial yield.

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[COLOR=#212121 !important]de·fo·li·ate[/COLOR]

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[TD]Remove leaves from (a tree, plant, or area of land), for agricultural purposes or as a military tactic.



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It doesn't matter. It their minds, they are correct no matter what because they read somewhere that defoliation at any level is bad. I have tried it both ways and defoliation works when not in the hands of a novice retarded grower. So cheers to you nullis, you blab on and on in yet another thread, but still have proven nothing more than you have the thought process and thinking skills of a neandrathal.

...and what have you proven, exactly? Oh, that you have only your assumptions and have to resort to juvenile attacks. Thinking skills of a neanderthal all right.

Oh look, entirely irrelevant threads on another website.

See, something like this: http://www.uaex.edu/Other_Areas/publications/PDF/MP503.pdf

Would even have been better than dragging out bs. But I totally said I was the Grow Master G and you should all bow down to me, right? No.

Why can't you articulate a serious, logic-based but cannabis-centric argument in your favor, whatsoever?

No need to make another post for this, Fresh2De@th, way to craft things in your favor:

de·fo·li·ate (d

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)v. de·fo·li·at·ed, de·fo·li·at·ing, de·fo·li·ates
v.tr.1. To deprive (a plant, tree, or forest) of leaves.

2. To cause the leaves of (a plant, tree, or forest) to fall off, especially by the use of chemicals.


v.intr. To lose foliage.

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Key word deprive, and leaves plural to infer many or all, not a couple here or there, i.e. pruning which is not a synonym to defoliate.

The point of using a chemical defoliant isn't generally for causing some minor leaf loss.

i dont want to get into the argument just reporting what i have personally done. im trying the heavy defol method on my newest grow, some plants really like it and some dont. my fire og kush throws out huge new growth at the bud sites after i defol and adjusts to the deleafing really fast. it but my hawaiian sativas are kinda slow to recover.

Fresh 2 De@th said:

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Key word a. A leaf. A stem. If u remove anything that didnt die naturally u defoliate. It didnt remove its self right but I'll let my scale do my talking from now on

Yet I have yet to see this so-called "technique" clearly defined, fully elucidated, in fact I can barely understand wtf you are attempting to say at all. I see photographs that could be of anything. I see links to another web forum where another dude describes how he grows and admits to pruning.

Last time I checked pruning and defoliation were not even remotely synonymous. Dictionaries are good. The English dictionary essentially defines the English language. The English language is used by English-speaking peoples to communicate. If what you call your "technique" is, seemingly, in such conflict and contrast to some preexisting English terminology* and you leave it expressly undefined as per your unique context: well how in the hell do you expect you should be able to adequately communicate?


*defoliation, is indeed, a dictionary word I think we can agree

http://www.buffalobonsaisociety.com/Defoliation.html

if this not defoliation i must be tripping.that's y u grow so average (nullis) its a technique because it should be did according to ur personal needs.its no generic way to do it but ur bland (like ur plants)so i dont expect u to understand growing out the box

Dude, Fresh, first of all, that was targeted more at dopedeeii, than you, specifically... so unknot thy panties. And no, you have failed to straighten anything out.

Fresh:
You know little to NOTHING about me, or even how I grow. If you want to base it all on some stupid thread over the internet, your prerogative. I glanced over the irrelevant threads in question you linked to, on another forum. Dude says NOTHING about 'defoliation' or 'defoliating'. Just says he does some pruning. I see a hell of a lot of fan leaves on those plants.

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Irrelevant not an actual word?! AAAHHHAHAHA LOL. That just killed any inkling of credibility you ever possibly could have had.

All I have been asking for one of you to actually define and OUTLINE this technique. Because so far as I understand, a defoliant ravages-- indeed deprives, a plant of its leaves, and to defoliate implies severe or entire leaf loss. I don't care what you think of me, I don't care who you think I am. And the same probably goes for you, right? But, do you see me bashing you as a grower, personally, because of the crap you choose to spout? OMG I GROW VARIETIES THAT ARE EASY TO GROW AND YIELD HEAVILY AND I DON'T REMOVE ALL THE LEAVES FROM MY PLANTS OMG I SUCK!

I am asshole, sure. But at least I have a clue.

why must it be defined and outlined? are you one of those "inside the box" / "only do what other people tell me to do and not experiment in my own garden" type of people? it shouldnt have to be defined to a T. if you remove a leaf, you removed foliage, therefore, it has been defoliated. if you would like me to refer back to that dictionary and show you where the prefix of De- came from, i will, but im sure your a big boy and will look it up on your own. again, this nullis character seems to be nothing more than a teenage troll looking to up his post count and stay at the IQ level of a box of rocks. if in the past 12 pages, he (and any other non-believer out there) hasnt opened their eyes to the fact that it is all in how it is done and technique is needed, well then, let them live in their magical worlds... they choose to remain blind even though the words and the science is placed in front of them multiple times.... i will remain following this thread as i like the work being done on the plant side of things, but beginner boy Nullis needs to stow it... if you dont believe in defoliation, go elsewhere. we arnt here to try and argue it into your head that you're wrong and we are right... we are here to discuss whether we feel it works or not, and the techniques we use. key word is DISCUSS!!! not whine like a fucking preschooler.

Fresh 2 De@th said:

BlahBlahBlahBlahBlahBlah.... just to show how much of a hater and an average grower you are, i notice you didn't mention one bad thing about that grower or his abilities or how much he could have yielded if he left the foliage alone. i know you noticed that he's a heavy defoliator, with huge sparkling buds (unlike the shit you and your buddy posted) that shitted all over your theory about lack of growth, because he decided to remove precious fan leaves. if i am not mistaken, wasn't that one if not the main point you were trying to prove?

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If you weren't so damn pretentious maybe we could have actually had a civil debate of some sort. First of all, fail. Yes, you are terribly, terribly mistaken. I wasn't trying to 'prove' anything, hardly anyways (if I did it was an accident, I swear), I was more-so asking for proof or, more specifically, what 'defoliation' actually encompasses, why is the leaf removed? Why not tuck it out of the way. Why not use side lighting, or more intense lighting? Use a trellis? Etc.

More recently here I have merely been trying to express what the term 'defoliant' in the English language and popular botany means. But, I suppose if 'irrelevant' isn't even a word in your version of the English language, I shouldn't be surprised.

de•fo•li•ate (diˈfoʊ liˌeɪt)

v. -at•ed, -at•ing. v.t. 1. to strip (trees, etc.) of leaves.
2. to cause widespread loss of leaves in (an area of jungle, forest, etc.), as to deprive an enemy of concealment.
v.i. 3. to lose leaves.

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Thesaurus Legend: †Synonyms ‡Related Words *Antonyms

Verb	1.	defoliate - strip the leaves or branches from; "defoliate the trees with pesticides" ‡denudate, denude, bare, strip - lay bare; "denude a forest"
Adj.	1.	defoliate - deprived of leaves †defoliated ‡leafless - having no leaves

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All you seem to want to do is attack the straw man, and me, personally. But, you honestly think you have 'shut me down', 'blown holes thru' or 'shitted all over' my 'theory'...which was, what exactly? Whatever you assumed it was? Right.

This is just so nonsensical it is ridiculous. Like, oh yeah, there is some other growers thread in another forum on another website that makes no mention of defoliating anything... but that is the concrete proof that proves, er... whatever it was you were trying to prove. And me I am just a hater. Yeah. I am the one personally attacking and denouncing fellow growers here . And I am such a hater that I didn't mention ONE bad thing about some other dudes grow or abilities. And then 'irrelevant' suddenly wasn't a word, because I used it... but it wasn't a dream. And you, and you were there. And you were there. And you were there. Oh Auntie Em. AUNTIE EM.

DoomsDay said:

why must it be defined and outlined? are you one of those "inside the box" / "only do what other people tell me to do and not experiment in my own garden" type of people? it shouldnt have to be defined to a T. if you remove a leaf, you removed foliage, therefore, it has been defoliated. if you would like me to refer back to that dictionary and show you where the prefix of De- came from, i will, but im sure your a big boy and will look it up on your own. again, this nullis character seems to be nothing more than a teenage troll looking to up his post count and stay at the IQ level of a box of rocks. if in the past 12 pages, he (and any other non-believer out there) hasnt opened their eyes to the fact that it is all in how it is done and technique is needed, well then, let them live in their magical worlds... they choose to remain blind even though the words and the science is placed in front of them multiple times.... i will remain following this thread as i like the work being done on the plant side of things, but beginner boy Nullis needs to stow it... if you dont believe in defoliation, go elsewhere. we arnt here to try and argue it into your head that you're wrong and we are right... we are here to discuss whether we feel it works or not, and the techniques we use. key word is DISCUSS!!! not whine like a fucking preschooler.

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Because if you can't define something then what the heck is it? If it could be anything it could be anything.

Discuss my ass. If I am "whining like a fucking preschooler"... then what the hell are you guys doing?

Where have I directly attacked, denounced or degraded anybody here, personally? Have I gone on and on about how you are a shitty, "average" or whatever grower?

I defiined it best i could but here it goes. I remove shade leaves all thru out veg to help with airflow and light penetration and yes i go heavy in veg but no i do not remove all leaves just older ones that imo aren't really producing energy but helping the plant stay cool. That was a very understandable way to put it.


And i dont think it was a attack on u as a grower.but no matter how we put ur set in ur own way of things. Very closed minded. The world is flat right

All apologies for the thread-jack people.

Can someone tell me who one might "ignore" a thread?

At the Shroomery this takes only clearing a small graphic on a forums threads list.

Thank you!

JD