budbro18
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No problem.
just youtube any of the stuff i mentioned and there are reviews and what not
Defoliation
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just youtube any of the stuff i mentioned and there are reviews and what not
Situation420
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You can control hormones within the plant cells better with defoliation if you know what you are doing.
Alexander Supertramp
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Please share your research to back your claim up...
Uncle Ben
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Alexander Supertramp
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His statement is all the research you need to back your 2 claims up UB!
Situation420
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Yes you do. Uncle ben and your butt buddy in the magic schoolbus fan club are so misinformed when it comes to defoliation, no wonder all you do is bash it, it's beyond your old school growing rules of thumb and actually based on science! Time to get educated in recent scientific information ( well, 1970's ). If you cared to listen to people more often rather than think your so awesome, you might improve your growing techniques a little. Whats the point of thinking your the best and never improving? I have not heard a reasonable explanation out of you yet for why your topping method works better than defoliation. Let me explain for you Uncle ben a little bit on how it works.
You ever hear of Absisic Acid?It is a chemical compound that regulates stem and bud growth and bud and seed dormancy. Absisic acid is primarily produced in the leaves of the plant inside the chloroplast and it controls hormonal concentration in the apical meristem that alters the last set of leaves in a stem into a leaf covered protection system for the flowers. Even though Absisic Acid is chemical compound it still functions like a hormone. When it degrades or catobolizes (i think thats how you spell it) it affects the metabolic rates effecting cell growth and the production of other hormones in the plant. When a plant is in its seedling stage, the Absisic Acid levels are at its highest, then as the plant matures, the Absisic acid levels begin to decline. Once the plant produces offshoots with fully functioning leaves, the Absisic Acid levels in the plant begin to increase, that slows down growth in more mature areas of the plant.
EDIT: I think by removing the leaves UB where the Absisic Acid is produced, you are regulating hormonal concentrations in the plant. Or is this too hard for you to understand?
Alexander Supertramp
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It spelled Abscisic by the way. And I think you have its functions within a plant a bit off.
Functions of Abscisic Acid
The following are some of the phyysiological responses known to be associated with abscisic acid (Davies, 1995; Mauseth, 1991; Raven, 1992; Salisbury and Ross, 1992).
- Stimulates the closure of stomata (water stress brings about an increase in ABA synthesis).
- Inhibits shoot growth but will not have as much affect on roots or may even promote growth of roots.
- Induces seeds to synthesize storage proteins.
- Inhibits the affect of gibberellins on stimulating de novo synthesis of a-amylase.
- Has some effect on induction and maintanance of dormancy.
- Induces gene transcription especially for proteinase inhibitors in response to wounding which may explain an apparent role in pathogen defense.
Your take on its function is pretty ass backwards too me...
Alexander Supertramp
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and the connection to defoliation, how do you figure? Its easy to assume when connecting the dots...but in the real horticultural world it just happens it does not work that way...
Situation420
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How is it ass backwards? It is produced in the leaves and you left out the fact that it mediates changes in the apical meristem.
It is normally produced in the leaves of the plant or did your google search leave that out for you? If it has such significant effect on hormonal regulation like you just stated in your previous post, then how does it not have anything do with regulating plant growth? Unlike you ,I am not copying and pasting internet sources, I learned it in a classroom and lab. You didn't explain anything, you just copied and pasted some of the known functions of abscisic acid rather than provide any input. Thank you for you informative google search post
HAHA wtf r u talking about a real horticulture world? Im talking about plants, and your talking about some fairytale reality. Shut up this is science dumbass haha
Alexander Supertramp
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I still fail to see the connection. When you connect the dots you should end up with a recognizable picture...
Situation420
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Your either messing with me or just dont get it. I explained it to you, and you even partially explained it yourself with that copy and paste post of yours on Abscisic Acid. What are all these dots your talking about. I said it in plain english how it works, and you still havn't added anything lol. I can tell you just troll UB and wait for his responses and outa you 2 hes the one i should be talking to. Not wasting my time talking to someone who doesn't even understand what I explained to them.
roseypeach
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then I guess you would consider this thread in the last ten percent.
I am going to post an update on the plant I worked on in just a few minutes so you all can see her progress.
roseypeach
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The lighting sucks and my camera broke so these were taken with my cell phone, so sorry for the lack of detail.
I started Snowstorm today
the last shot looks sort of like foxtailing, the foliage went nuts so that's when I decided to defoliate to try and get more light to the bud site.
I started Snowstorm today
the last shot looks sort of like foxtailing, the foliage went nuts so that's when I decided to defoliate to try and get more light to the bud site.
Situation420
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Isn't that shit bad to use after the first couple weeks of flowering though?
Edit :and generally used only if a plant is having health issues or immature compared to others the same age
Situation420
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Where did your fan leaves go? lolThe lighting sucks and my camera broke so these were taken with my cell phone, so sorry for the lack of detail.
I started Snowstorm today
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Alexander Supertramp
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Abscisic acids only plays one role in your defoiliation technique, as a stress reliever. And maybe if you were breeding seeds along with your raping of plants you could make a connection.
Your explanation is simply you twisting something into something its not to fulfill your purpose or need.
Uncle Ben
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Snowstorm and defoliation. Can't think of a better recipe for disaster.The lighting sucks and my camera broke so these were taken with my cell phone, so sorry for the lack of detail.
I started Snowstorm today
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The bud sites don't need light. They are not capable of photosynthesis. The leaves you just plucked do (did).
Man, some of you guys have this thing so ass backwards it's unbelievable.
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