DeSantis signs bill requiring Florida students, professors to register political views with state

mooray

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My point was, if an individual rightfully complains about being forced to declare their ideology because of some stupid proposed Governor policy, why wouldn't that same individual be sympathetic when another individual doesn't want to be forced to fund something they have no use for, like a State run University ?
This utopia of "no use for" selfishness will probably never exist. I'm happy some of my tax money goes to the schools in this county, even though none of us have ever been educated in this county. I'm happy about it because I'm not another cliche selfish 'murican and am able to see a picture that's bigger than what's visible in my mirror. Ironically, you think this will improve things, this ME-ME-ME society will somehow be better. It's important to look at who want more freedom. Is it the selfless person that is somehow hindered from helping others, or is it the selfish person that doesn't care for anyone but themselves? Both of them want the same thing, more freedom, but one of them makes society a better place and one of them makes it a shithole.

It's only unlikely because people are caught in partisan politics and don't realize how foolish they look when they whine about being captive to a government policy out of one side of their mouth, all the while championing ANOTHER government policy that they like which burdens other people in the way they were just whining about being burdened. (read that twice if you have to, it does make sense)
This is totally you though, except instead of one side if your mouth conflicting with the other, your actions conflict with your mouth. Every-single-time you use the word "involuntary", it's complete bs. Don't nitpick me on "impossible" and then pretend you don't know what I'm talking about. You're free to stop participating in the program you're dissatisfied with, anytime you want. And I don't mean that in a "love it or leave it" kind of way, I mean it in the "what you want will literally never happen here on any level" kind of way. At some point you have to stop complaining about your neighbor and move so you can live your life the way you want. How sad it is for people to just cruise control their way through their senior years and then die in some lonely place, when they only needed just a little courage to break out of that self-created box.

It's very possible for DeSantis to butt out of peoples lives and for people not to be forced to fund something. like a University if they'd prefer not to. You, like most people want one of the things and don't want one of the other things. Two sides to the same coin. You would inflict your idea on people who disagree with you, as they would inflict their ideas on you. The obvious POSSIBLE solution is for both to stop inflicting on the others.
You're too far down the unrealistic/idealist/purist philosophical rabbit hole. Where do you want to draw the line? Can we get rid of everything that was forcefully funded? Because, that's what you're against, right? So we'll destroy every bit of "involuntary funded" infrastructure and then rely on people's kindness to donate some form of currency to create new infrastructure and we'll trust some "entity"(cough*sounds like a gov't*cough) to hold onto those funds for us until we reach various level needed to complete the respective phases of construction. Republicans absolutely HAAAAAAAATE paying for other people, which is you btw, so they're going to want to make sure their money is only used for them. Are you okay with only allowing people to drive on roads they helped pay for? And if they don't pay very much, they only get to use the shitty unmaintained lane and the better lanes are for those that paid more? What kind of water do poor people get? Poo water?
 

Rob Roy

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but one of them makes society a better place and one of them makes it a shithole.
Is society better if you force your ideas on people or if they are otherwise peaceful to leave them alone?

I'm not and have never been a Republican. Ever. I was a Democrat, many years ago, then I grew up.
 

Rob Roy

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Where do you want to draw the line?
Thank you for asking.

I want peaceful people to make voluntary choices accepting the consequences and gaining the benefits of their freedom and for those who break that policy to be held accountable.

Where do you draw the line ? I'm thinking you would be okay with forcing otherwise peaceful people to pay for your ideas and be okay with taking their money, their home or their life if they resist. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but it is kind of a binary choice.
 

mooray

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Is society better if you force your ideas on people or if they are otherwise peaceful to leave them alone?

I'm not and have never been a Republican. Ever. I was a Democrat, many years ago, then I grew up.
I know it's a tough pill for us white male Americans to swallow, but we're just not important enough to be exempted from the framework society had created. Soww.

You may not be a dues paying republican, but they absolutely hate being "forced" to pay for other people. That's one of their biggest things and one of yours. Another major one is abortion. Where do you stand on aborting peaceful little babies being in the womb just minding their own business? Nail that one and you're on the same page with their two biggest issues.
 

Rob Roy

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I know it's a tough pill for us white male Americans to swallow, but we're just not important enough to be exempted from the framework society had created. Soww.

You may not be a dues paying republican, but they absolutely hate being "forced" to pay for other people. That's one of their biggest things and one of yours. Another major one is abortion. Where do you stand on aborting peaceful little babies being in the womb just minding their own business? Nail that one and you're on the same page with their two biggest issues.
It's not only the outcomes we'd like to see. It's the process or means we used to try to get there.

I know it's a tough pill for you to swallow, but forcing otherwise peaceful people to obey your ideas is kind of a prohibitionist mindset. Republicans and Democrats use identical means, force. They just argue how the loot should be spent. Both are wrong.

It's not up to me to tell other people not to have an abortion, although I am not a fan of them.

It's not up to other people to force me to pay for their abortion, anymore than it's up to me to make them come weed my garden.
 

mooray

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Thank you for asking.

I want peaceful people to make voluntary choices accepting the consequences and gaining the benefits of their freedom and for those who break that policy to be held accountable.
Believe me, I would very much like for you to get want you're asking for, just for you and yours. No power, no water, no roads to your home, no taxpayer funded education, no hospitals that receive taxpayer funding, no grocery stores with subsidized power, no subsidized food, no subsidized transportation services of electronics/clothing/furniture/tools/vehicle/etc. etc. I'd love for it all to disappear overnight.

Where do you draw the line ? I'm thinking you would be okay with forcing otherwise peaceful people to pay for your ideas and be okay with taking their money, their home or their life if they resist. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but it is kind of a binary choice.
Me? I'm an individual. However, the fact that I choose to participate in this society by living/working here is exactly how you know that, to at lease a base degree, I must be okay with everything that happens. Same as you, it's just that I don't lie to myself about it in order to make myself feel better. Just speak the truth aloud, I have helped pay for the killing of children in the middle east. I don't like it, but if I took significant issue with it, I'd make the choice to stop contributing to it.
 

Rob Roy

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No power, no water, no roads to your home, no taxpayer funded education, no hospitals that receive taxpayer funding, no grocery stores with subsidized power, no subsidized food, no subsidized transportation services of electronics/clothing/furniture/tools/vehicle/etc. etc.
I am a fan of independent power generation for those who choose it. I maintained my own road for years and loved it. Have nothing against people cooperating voluntarily to do it other ways as long as none of those involved are being forced or cheated or both.

Anything forcibly subsidized is wrong, if the person(s) being forced are otherwise peaceful. Why can't you just admit that ?

You decry funding guns in foreign bullshit wars, but won't decry the guns used to collect money for domestic shit you like, but your neighbor may not. I think you may not have thought this through.

So, if a person doesn't want to be forced to fund government schools where "children are taught bullying is wrong", they should give up their house or not pay and get gunned down when they come and seize your house ?
 

mooray

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It's not only the outcomes we'd like to see. It's the process or means we used to try to get there.

I know it's a tough pill for you to swallow, but forcing otherwise peaceful people to obey your ideas is kind of a prohibitionist mindset. Republicans and Democrats use identical means, force. They just argue how the loot should be spent. Both are wrong.

It's not up to me to tell other people not to have an abortion, although I am not a fan of them.

It's not up to other people to force me to pay for their abortion, anymore than it's up to me to make them come weed my garden.
Don't I get to be as philosophically purist as you? If so, then it should be clear that *I* don't do anything to you. Got a problem with the IRS, tell them you don't have to listen to them, you'll see it's not me knocking on your door. Got a problem with the police, drive as fast as you want yelling "YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF MEEEEEE!!!" and you'll see that...it's ain't me putting you in cuffs.

I am a fan of independent power generation for those who choose it. I maintained my own road for years and loved it.
Do I also get to do the same as you and just select a little slice to reply to? Cool. Because we both know that of all the miles you've driven, 1/100000th was on your little dirt road that you maintained and that's an incredibly dishonest reply to pretend like that little bit you maintained was somehow of any significance in all the places you've driven.

Like I said, I'd love for you to have what you're asking for.
 

Rob Roy

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Don't I get to be as philosophically purist as you? If so, then it should be clear that *I* don't do anything to you. Got a problem with the IRS, tell them you don't have to listen to them, you'll see it's not me knocking on your door. Got a problem with the police, drive as fast as you want yelling "YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF MEEEEEE!!!" and you'll see that...it's ain't me putting you in cuffs.



Do I also get to do the same as you and just select a little slice to reply to? Cool. Because we both know that of all the miles you've driven, 1/100000th was on your little dirt road that you maintained and that's an incredibly dishonest reply to pretend like that little bit you maintained was somehow of any significance in all the places you've driven.

Like I said, I'd love for you to have what you're asking for.
Thank you for harshing on the foreign war horseshit. There may be hope for you.

So to be clear, you are opposed to forcing otherwise peaceful people to do things like pay for others ideas they don't agree with and don't use?

Also, roads could and should be build, administered and maintained without tying a persons home up in a kind of ransom situation.
Perhaps another time I could pontificate on how to get the benefit of roads without the ever present threat of becoming another victim of government homelessness creation.

Back to DeSantis...He's a douchebag, the end.
 

mooray

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So to be clear, you are opposed to forcing otherwise peaceful people to do things like pay for others ideas they don't agree with and don't use?
As a principle, that sounds dumb and selfish. Time for a simple test: Are there things you like, that you don't support? And are there things you dislike, that you do support? If the answer is anything but "yes" to both, you've failed at being an American at the most basic level.

The formula is the same for all of us; we choose to live here and participate as long as the things we like continue to outweigh the things we dislike and the things we dislike, we choose to accept. No matter what our mouths try to do to make us feel better, that's the objective reality of it.

Also, roads could and should be build, administered and maintained without tying a persons home up in a kind of ransom situation.
Perhaps another time I could pontificate on how to get the benefit of roads without the ever present threat of becoming another victim of government homelessness creation.
See, you've started sacrificing already, because you like roads, and you've twisted your own principle to again become a victim. The nonexistence of something you haven't paid for cannot create a "ransom" situation. It just means you're the same as those people that buy a house next to an airport and then complain about the noise from the airport.

Back to DeSantis...He's a douchebag, the end.
Yep.
 
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