DIY 36 Site Aeroponic in a HOMEbox XL under a 600W HPS

DubB83

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxp9TL-JqVI
Urban grower from advanced nutients answering Q's on temps and controled rooms check it out they seem to have a lot of cred maybe somthing to try 58 degrees
This man is using a different technique than I am. Here is the information that I have been using for years without problems. The "commercial growers" he is talking about are caring for hundreds of gallons of water and by the time the water pump heats and distributes it to the plants it is around 70*. They jam a bunch of oxygen in a large amount of water and then plumb it quiet a distance under HID lighting. The pump adds heat, the air temp of the room adds heat to the plumbing, and the distance of the plumbing adds more heat. When the water is finally misted on the roots it has warmed considerably. I have designed setups for large scale horticultural grows and they are much more complex and expensive than what I am aiming for. Designing is what I do for a living, not commercial growing.

What temperature should my aeroponic solution be?

Why does solution temperature matter? Dissolved oxygen, plus those competitor organisms again. At the temperature of a natural stream that is cold to the touch, water naturally contains a great deal of dissolved oxygen. As noted above, oxygen is important to the development and productivity of a plant's feeder roots (comprising the majority of the roots of most green plants). As water temperature approaches and exceeds 70°F/20°C, its ability to hold oxygen available to plants (and fish) drops dramatically to only a small fraction of that of colder water. Furthermore, warmer water supports exponentially greater cell growth in the water molds and other organisms that prey on plant roots.
Thus, a common syndrome observed in hydroponic cultivation goes as follows. The lighting system (or sunlight, in greenhouses), plus the ambient air temperature, eventually bring the nutrient solution to an unhealthily high temperature: for many green plants 70°F/20°C is a warning sign, 75°F/24°C causes real stress, and 80°F/27°C can only be tolerated for a short time without causing widespread damage from which it is difficult to recover. Once a plant, and an entire growing system, is infected with water molds (e.g. pythium spp.) it can be difficult to restore to health even after a complete change of solution or a full system cleaning.
How does aeroponics solve this?

The main advantage of aeroponics is that the nutrient solution spends the vast majority of its time in a reservoir, only periodically being pumped up and exposed to the relatively warm growing environment. Thus it can be much more easily maintained at a temperature that discourages fungi (etc.) and keeps dissolved oxygen high, without resorting to expensive and high-maintenance solutions such as direct refrigeration.
But that also describes hydroponics. What's the difference?

Good point. In a hydroponic system, every time the nutrient solution is introduced into the growing area, it interacts with the thermal mass of the solid growing medium, picking up quite a bit of heat. When air temperature is high, as it usually will be with intense lighting*, it takes very few watering cycles for the reservoir temperature to approximate the air temperature. In aeroponics, this heat transfer is minimized by the relative lack of medium, to such a degree that the reservoir can feasibly be maintained at a temperature close to the nightly air temperature, or to ground temperature, instead.
*Of course lighting cooling systems are in widespread use, but they increase the complexity and expense of the setup, and everything a grower can do to decouple air temperature from water temperature tends to be to great advantage.

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So I will maintain my room at 75* and my reservior around 68* (the water pump should heat the solution to my choice optimal of just below 70*). Without a heater the temp of my reservior drops to the high 40*s to low 50*s. The heater will maintain a constant temperature, in the summer I will route the nute solution through a coiled copper tube attached to a small fan to lightly cool the solution.

Day time temps really don't need the heater, the night time temps do.
:joint:

I'm doing temp tests now on my output flow inside the tent. I will allow the reservoir temp to drop as needed to have a max of around 69* leaving the spray nozzles.
 

It's 5 o'clock somewhere

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This looks like the system that the hydro guy wanted $400 for. As I was looking at it I was wondering what would it take to try and make it myself, now i know. You saved me quite a bit of money just now my friend. Rep for you....
 

GypsyBush

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I have always heard that lower 70's is the best temp for root growth.... but it also happens to make a sunny day at the beach for pathogens (trouble)...

I keep my res on the cool side... lower 60's.. and my babies grow hella roots...

check...

So I figured this would be a good time for another comparison... lol...:weed:

The first picture was taken on 09/06/08...



The second picture is the same clone on 09/21/08...
Not bad for 15 days eh?!



All of the following pictures were taken just a few minutes ago... so almost 2 months have passed...:blsmoke:

I am sorry I do not have a shot of the plant with the roots hanging down... They are about 5 feet long and I could not figure out how to get the shot without my hand on it... until I put it back and then I am not going to fuck with it anymore...

So... these are the shots you get ... but it should illustrate very well the current stat of affairs....lol...

Oh, and I have already taken 6 cuttings from this, before the pics...




The roots are the ones on the right, closest to you...



A backside shot, showing what is, in my opinion, the perfect "HPS veg stretch" for cloning...



This next photo reminds me of the Incredible Hulk for some reason... :mrgreen:



Braids of Life...:leaf:



And a final, close up shot...

Cheers...:joint::peace:

Sorry for the hijack...:o

Gypsy...:joint:
 

DubB83

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awesome setup , I bought an aeroflo 36 and felt like I got robbed, wish I could've seen this first
LOL! Trust me, you saved yourself a ton of work... These things take a bit of fiddling with to get just right. I may be lining the bottom of the aero chambers with some material to help the water slope down hill. Unfortunately the chambers take up the whole tent or I would have a more accessible res to work with.

To anyone looking for an easier to maintain setup you may consider less sites and moving the res to the access point on the tent. My setup allows a humidifier under the channels. I'll post more pics and info later tonight.

Merry Christmas!
 

DubB83

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Wow Gypsy. Do you use H2O2? I had considered it but I would have to use something other than Fox Farm for my flowering nutes as those work heavily with the helper micro-organisms.

I'm trying to stick to organics this run though so H2O2 is out.

Did you get those roots in a bubble cloner? I'm about to put my ultrasonic cloner away for now and build a bubbleponic one instead. The work great and the ultrasonic one I made requires quite a bit of maintenance and the bubbleponic is a set it and forget it type of deal. I never had this many problems in the past with clones.
 

GypsyBush

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Wow Gypsy.
Thanks!:hump:

Do you use H2O2?
I have never had to use it on my plants... cool temps keep the pathogens away...

I had considered it but I would have to use something other than Fox Farm for my flowering nutes as those work heavily with the helper micro-organisms.
H2O2 will kill everything in its path... you are smart in not using it with organics...

I'm trying to stick to organics this run though so H2O2 is out.
I give you props... I have no desire to manage a microbe war...

In my opinion Potassium is Potassium...

If I get the P out of my "synthetic" nutes... it will fit in the same slot of the periodic table as yours.... even though yours was naturally shat by a microbe...

But that is just my opinion... and I am an idiot!!!!:hug:


Did you get those roots in a bubble cloner?
Started in a wick cloner... then, when the first little nubs showed, I put it in the bubbler...

I'm about to put my ultrasonic cloner away for now and build a bubbleponic one instead. The work great and the ultrasonic one I made requires quite a bit of maintenance and the bubbleponic is a set it and forget it type of deal. I never had this many problems in the past with clones.
I like bubbles... I suck at cloning too, so I just do 4 times as many as I need and I am good to go... most of the time, I end up throwing quite a few in the compost pile...
 

DubB83

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In rockwool in my other cloner I have a 100% success rate but it takes a couple of weeks, in the ultrasonic system I have heard rumors of 4-6 days so I had to give it a try. Honestly I would like to get away from rockwool, but its all I know other than rapid rooter plugs.
 

DubB83

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Different strokes for different folks! Ha ha ha, I just love the results of hydro so I know I need to keep on the cutting edge. I first got a waterfarm back when everyone on OG was downing them but I felt it was great compared to soil.

The experiment continues. Time is my only issue lately.
 

DubB83

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So my new 1000gph pump should be here any time now. Still working out the design flaws.

Patience is a virtue...
 

It's 5 o'clock somewhere

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I've found that out also, the hard way. Lost a female the other day to heat after i failed to watch closely after adding another 400w HPS. Luckily i started with more than i need.... I haven't even started cloning..
 

DubB83

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I'm not sure if this should have it's own thread but here is my Cheap Portable 50gpd RO System that fills my external reservoir for the flowering chamber. More pictures will come up later. This thing was cheap BTW... Hope my readers like it.

Drop a comment, they are always welcome!
Sometimes it feels more like I'm leaving notes for myself here more than anything... ha ha ha!


Water supply for the RO filter.


Water hose to PVC plumbing, this is the tap for the RO filter system.


The RO Filter system.


My RO water Reservoir that will soon be plumbed to my flowering chamber reservoir for easy nutrient and ph control outside the tent.


Float valve.


A closer look inside..


Even closer!


 

DubB83

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I've found that out also, the hard way. Lost a female the other day to heat after i failed to watch closely after adding another 400w HPS. Luckily i started with more than i need.... I haven't even started cloning..
Thanks for stopping in! I'll have some test plants in there soon. I have clone maintenance tonight. I shouldn't dread that should I?:leaf:
 

It's 5 o'clock somewhere

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I'm not looking forward to it, I keep getting females. I thought i'd have way more males and way more problems. I don't have a final count but it looks like there are almost 18 female and I have only pulled 7 males. I kept three of the best looking males til i decide which I'll keep for breeding. I made a mistake earlier when I said it was a girl that got roasted, it turned out to be my only male strong sativa i had so far. I have several I'm still waiting to show. I just ran the ventilation system and am going to have to do some tweeking. I keep finding more and more to do and the plants that are the most mature are getting way bigger than i wanted them to. I'll take my cuttings and turn the lights back to 12/12 by next weekend I hope. Never a shortage... Still have to assemble the cloner..
 

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DubB83

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Looking good, I think you should have no problems with that pump. I am enjoying my new cloner so far. I'll be posting updates on all that tomorrow night.

Shame about the plant!
 

DubB83

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Here is the system painted black, I know what everyone is going to think, but don't worry black does not reflect yada yada yada. I know, fact of the matter is the plant will still grow no matter what color the system is.

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