DIY with Quantum Boards

ilovereggae

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"uses say 1A of current at that voltage, and it only has 500ma available to it, it is still going to try to pull 1A from the driver.This can cause the driver to overheat and shut off / fail. "
i think there is some unecessary complication.
you will always have the limit of the driver itself limiting the max current.
in the case of the 240-48A its 5A.
every led needs a limit otherwise it will try to pull inifinty current till it blows up.
in above case if voltage screw is set to max it will be a good 5A still as limit (the 240W ones have quite some headroom), dont think it will shut of.
to increase the lifetime meanwell recommend using about 80% of the rated power, but thats another story.
kind of makes sense. I bet the MW also has some better current limiting than most drivers. where I experienced this was actually on an ERP 40W /48V driver with 2 Samsung L09 strips in parallel. at 48V those strips will draw 1.38A. my driver was giving only 850ma total which was split between strips. I figured the strips would just use what they were given. but eventually the driver got super hot, the strips started blinking and then it shut off. that's when I realized they were both still trying to draw 1.38A from the driver. even with just 1 strip connected the same happened. so I figured I need to use a driver w less voltage in order to run those strips in parallel at less current? a 48V A type or something.
 

cobshopgrow

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dont knowing every driver out there, there are differences for sure.
i remeber that i am using a small meanwell 12V powersupply for my far reds, not especially for leds.
it runs quite hot too as its maxed out, i prob should replace it with a small 350 or 500mA driver, guess thats a bit similar to your case.
the bigger meanwells offer Vo and or Io setscrews if they offer a CV mode, guess that will solve the problem for many.
 

pop22

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I was in error earlier. I should have said my QB 324 are in Series on the 240H-C1050b.

The ratings of Meanwell drivers tends to be conservative, it's not unusual to find there drivers exceed their rated output.

That makes sense to me for the regular drivers that are CC/CV. But aren't the "C" version specifically constant current?

In Pops example using a 240-C1050 I don't understand how if only using 100ish volts how it will output more current than it is rated for? Won't parallel array split the 1050ma current?

I admit I had some of this wrong when I built my fixtures. I run 4 QB 288 boards in series on a 240-C1050b. I realized after a year that if I only give my boards 1050ma they will only pull @ 48V each so I'm only getting about 50W per board not 60W like I had originally planned for. Since my driver has 238V available, I've got about 40+V left over that I am not using. So while my driver can pull 240W from the wall, I'm only actually using 200W with my fixtures. At least that is my current understanding.

Totally could be wrong with all of this so please correct me if so. I definitely am still learning.
 

cobshopgrow

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nice to know that it works to parallel meanwell led drivers ! as the manufactorer dont recommend doing so (normally you shouldnt parallel any switching power supply).
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A power supply needs to have built-in circuitry, which will allow it to be used in parallel with another power supply. MEAN WELL refers to this circuitry as a ‘current sharing’ function.

A number of MEAN WELL’s enclosed power supplies and DIN rail power supplies do have a current sharing function, including the following power supplies:....


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i see none of the HLGs or XLG listed there.

of course its fine to parallel any amount of leds if thats unclear.
 

Rocket Soul

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nice to know that it works to parallel meanwell led drivers ! as the manufactorer dont recommend doing so (normally you shouldnt parallel any switching power supply).
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A power supply needs to have built-in circuitry, which will allow it to be used in parallel with another power supply. MEAN WELL refers to this circuitry as a ‘current sharing’ function.

A number of MEAN WELL’s enclosed power supplies and DIN rail power supplies do have a current sharing function, including the following power supplies:....


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i see none of the HLGs or XLG listed there.

of course its fine to parallel any amount of leds if thats unclear.
However, now that I remember: we tried 3x xlg240-h in one circuit and no light whatsoever. 2 of the worked though.
 

pop22

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But when your done, you'll have a great environment for growing, for a long time. Hell, my $89 Ebay tent has lasted me 6 trouble free years! About due to replace it. I'm going to spend a little more this time and get a Mars Hydro tent, they are really nicely made. But I'd have no problem with a basic one again.
I'm retired, and everything in my growroom was paid for by taking odd jobs, wheeling and dealing on ebay, etc. Not one penny has come out of our budget. So I understand why you cringe! Last year, I spent $1100 for Diablo boards, and another $190 for drivers. Plus some new rope ratchets, a couple duct fans. That's the most I've spent at one time in the growroom. And even though I earned the money for these, I still feel funny spending that much.
But before the end of your first grow with a new light and tent, you'll be smiling!


All I gotta do now is buy a.... whole new tent. Bought the stupid attic shaped vivosun 4x4 and it’s too fucking short to do anything with this light. Fuck me. Will be a thousand dollar investment by time it’s all done.
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cobshopgrow

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However, now that I remember: we tried 3x xlg240-h in one circuit and no light whatsoever. 2 of the worked though.
in certain configurations it my work but its tricky.
"Setting Voltage and Current. Program the current limit of each power supply to its maximum value. Next, set the output voltage of the CV supply to a value slightly lower than the CC unit(s). The CC units supply the maximum output current that they have been set to and drop their output voltage until it matches the voltage of the CV unit, which supplies only enough current to fulfill the total load demand. The current supplied to the load will be the sum of the current from each supply. To learn more about constant current and voltage modes see: How do I put the power supply in the constant current mode?
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maybe with a AB driver type if your boards voltage is below 48v (with a CC/CV 48V meanwell AB)
and you limit one driver by Vo and one by Io, but very unsure about it, not recommended.


"Connecting switching power supplies in parallel
We’ve established that it’s quite possible and feasible to connect two power supplies in series, with three very important rules to observe, which is really in line with what we learned about connecting batteries in series when we were at school. In those science class lessons, we learned that we can connect batteries in parallel as well. Is this possible with power supplies? The answer is “yes and no” …

Connecting switching power supplies in parallel could cause both power supplies to fail
As a broad guideline rule, you cannot and should not connect two switching power supplies in parallel. There is an exception to this which we’ll get to shortly, but the main reason why most switching power supplies should never be connected in parallel, even if they claim to be same voltage, same make, same current : one power supply will generally bear more load than the other and this will cause that power supply to fail, and then the second power supply will fail due to being overloaded. This is where the exception comes in: some power supplies, but very few, have been designed to support being connected together in parallel. These power supplies have a current sharing function, some of the ranges of Mean Well power supplies which can be safely connected in parallel include: SDR, TDR, PSP, RSP & RST. These power supplies will have a P (LP/CS) terminal which you should connect between the power supplies. Even with these power supplies connected correctly, there are still “issues” such as if the load falls below 10% of the rated load of any one of the power supplies in which case the power supplies start to “play up”.

Even when power supplies are designed to support parallel connection, it’s not perfect and there are issues.

LUMUL : Connecting switching power supplies in parallel


Rule 4 : Do not connect switching power supplies in parallel

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PJ Diaz

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But when your done, you'll have a great environment for growing, for a long time. Hell, my $89 Ebay tent has lasted me 6 trouble free years! About due to replace it. I'm going to spend a little more this time and get a Mars Hydro tent, they are really nicely made. But I'd have no problem with a basic one again.
I'm retired, and everything in my growroom was paid for by taking odd jobs, wheeling and dealing on ebay, etc. Not one penny has come out of our budget. So I understand why you cringe! Last year, I spent $1100 for Diablo boards, and another $190 for drivers. Plus some new rope ratchets, a couple duct fans. That's the most I've spent at one time in the growroom. And even though I earned the money for these, I still feel funny spending that much.
But before the end of your first grow with a new light and tent, you'll be smiling!
Check out infinity ac tents.
 

Psyphish

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Get a Homebox Ambient (used to be Evolution) tent. Seriously. Leave that cheap mylar stuff in the past.

[edit] Although that AC Infinity does look decent.
 

PJ Diaz

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I almost bought it until i saw the $46.11 shipping! And the Mars tent is just about Identical, it has the thicker material, and the 22mm poles. And free shipping.
On Amazon you can get free shipping, but they don't have 4x4's in stock there ATM. I think if you search, you can find a coupon code to offset the shipping costs. I don't have one myself, I'm still rocking my $89 Ebay tent like you. I think next time I will build a box out of ply instead of a tent.
 

ilovereggae

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On Amazon you can get free shipping, but they don't have 4x4's in stock there ATM. I think if you search, you can find a coupon code to offset the shipping costs. I don't have one myself, I'm still rocking my $89 Ebay tent like you. I think next time I will build a box out of ply instead of a tent.
CANUCK15 is 15% off
 

pop22

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I found the AC Infinity for $129 shipped! Thanks for the tip! Looks like a real nice tent and A.C. Infinity had a good rep.

On Amazon you can get free shipping, but they don't have 4x4's in stock there ATM. I think if you search, you can find a coupon code to offset the shipping costs. I don't have one myself, I'm still rocking my $89 Ebay tent like you. I think next time I will build a box out of ply instead of a tent.
 
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