DNA Genetics 60 Day Wonder - First Grow
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Jogro
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Holy cow.
A 1000 watt HPS for just a *single autoflower plant*?!?
I think most people would call that "overkill". . .in a good way! I can't wait to see how this one turns out.
I have some interest here, just because I'm growing the parent strain, William's Wonder (see my sig for grow report). Its a heavy yielder for sure, so it wouldn't at all surprise me if you got massive yields considering you can run an autoflower version under lights 24-0 (instead of just 12-12).
One thing, though. The "real" William's Wonder is supposed to take 9 weeks to flower, give or take.
If you figure an autoflower may mature a little faster, but also takes two weeks to become sexually mature from ceed, I don't think you're really going to finish the so called "60 days wonder" in less than 63-70 days (ie 9-10 weeks from ceed). All the reports I've seen on this DNA Genetics line say the same, it takes around 70 days, give or take a bit.
Nothing wrong with that, but IMO its a bit of a sham to call a strain "60 day wonder" when you need to give it 70(+) days!
Hitch
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Will do. I will take more pics in about a week so we can all see how she finishes.
Well, to be honest, there are 4 autoflowers and 2 "generic mystery beans" going under the light. I have the 60DW at 50 days, An auto #1 at 43 days, a 2nd auto #1 at 28 days and a White Widow Auto at 12 days. It's the main reason I went with autos off the bat. It was the only way I could stagger my start dates effectively.
The two regular "mystery beans" are at 28 and 12 days. I am really only growing those so I can practice cloning, super cropping, etc on some free stock before I ruin some expensive beans. They will probably end up in the garbage at some point. Or perhaps it is time to get some bubble bags.
It seems to me that any more than 4-6 plants won't work due to the small lamp fixture. It's a powerful light, but the fixture itself can only project light so far, right? Especially in the overkill size pots I'm using. Hell, I don't exactly know.
I am curious to watch your WW progress. I would have given it a try when I last ordered, but Attitude was out of stock. I agree that 65-70 days seems like where I'm going to finish. But she is progressing so fast compared to my only other grow (outdoors last summer) that it's hard for me to guess. Things that took weeks to happen on that grow are happening in days with this grow.
Dobby
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LOL. So now I feel a little better. I grew out a couple 60DW earlier this year and they were nothing like what you got going. I was wondering how'd he do that?
They do look great, keep going!
Hitch
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Well in the last 48 hours I've had a turn for the worse. Fan leaves starting to yellow and dry out pretty bad, and not just the bottom leaves. Even some yellowing of the leaves in and around the top cola. I can tell she's root bound pretty bad but it's too late to do much about it at day 52.
Sure hope it's ok to just let her finish since she's probably 10-14 days away.
Sure hope it's ok to just let her finish since she's probably 10-14 days away.
Jogro
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In terms of staggering your start dates, you don't need autos for that. Seedlings can be started whenever you like and then maintained easily under a cheap small desk lamp with a CFL or an inexpensive linear T8 fluorescent lamp. If you aren't able or willing to run separate grow areas, you could just run all your plants 12-12 from seed to harvest if you like. Yield won't necessarily be as high as running true autos under 20-4 lighting, but it will work with any strain.
Bubble bags are a good investment, IMO.
What's a "mystery bean"? Do you mean bagseed from schwagg? Those are usually hybridized Mexican heirloom/landrace plants. (If you're curious, see grow report in my sig below. . .unfortunately the pictures appear to be down right now).
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Put it this way, lights are usually measured in terms of square feet of canopy space they illuminate. How many plants you cram into that space is up to you. You can do lots of small ones crowded together ("sea of green") , or one super-large one trained out over a lot of area ("SCROG").
But a 1000W is a big light and you definitely could do 6 plants under there, depending on pot size. Figure a 1000W should light an area about 4x4 feet pretty well to yield about 60W per square foot. Ideally, you want to keep the light as close to the plants as you can, so they all get light, and aren't overheated/burned by the lights.
Well, you'll see.
Supposedly the 60-day wonder is a version of William's Wonder backcrossed until its stable. I'm curious to see how close it is to the real McCoy, but from what I've seen/heard so far, its not quite there, tossing out a number of phenos.
What I want do know is, how does your 60-day wonder SMELL? The real WW has a characteristic citrus smell.
Jogro
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It will be fine.
Its normal for fan leaves to yellow towards the end of flowering, even near the top of the plant. Typically this starts to happen 2 weeks before the plant is finished. So it seems like you're right on schedule.
Make sure to pick off any yellowing leaves. They're not going to get "better", but they ARE going to block light to the healthy leaves, plus potentially attract insects and bud rot, which can develop quickly and insidiously towards the end of flowering, particularly if humidity is high.
This is probably NOT the problem, but in general, the bigger the flowers get, the more nutes you need. You may also be running low this late in flowering, particularly if the plants are big for their pot size (which it sounds like they are) and you haven't been using any. If you haven't been using any fertilizers at all, and think this may be the problem, you might try one shot of a dilute water-soluble fertilizer now. . . in general you don't want to add fertilizers the last week of flowering, but you're two weeks out, and you can do a water flush the last week to rinse out any fert residues before harvesting. If you have been using nutes, don't worry about this.
Hitch
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those look great. really good job...don't forget to take a pic once ur all cured and ready to go. love to see what kind of bud I should be expecting
I most certainly will. Will also make a smoke report. I am posting pics from today (Day 56) below.
Hard to say. Like Jogro says I think part of it is the normal aging process. I also think that a few more nutes during veg might have helped. Plus I'm a newbie, so I've made some classic growing mistakes (like too many light waterings instead of fewer heavy ones). I tend to be one of those people who have to learn the hard way. Character flaw I suppose, but at 38 I don't think I'm changing too much lol.
What I lack is another area of the house that I can use. But I never really considered the whole 12/12 from seed idea...That's something I will definitely consider. I can stand to lose the yield but will the taste/quality of high remain the same?
That's exactly what I mean, although it was actually from a bag of what I would call "low mids". I am subscribed to your thread and found it quite enlightening. I got to see all the pics and I appreciated the review. Here is one interesting part...my plant is clearly indica dom (I think so). Here are a few pics:
Well I kind of wish you'd asked me almost anything else. I am REALLY bad at describing smells. But I took some time to seriously consider my reply and I would have to say that at this stage it smells peculiar. There is a hint of citrus and pine but that doesn't fully describe the scent. Not particularly "wonderful" at this point TBH. Very "grassy".
I hope you are right and that it will be fine. I gave her a thorough watering this morning before I read your post. She is still producing Trichs, so she must not be hurting too bad.
Hitch
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Ok, here we go...Day 56 today. What does everyone think? Estimate on time? I will say that the trichs appear to be about 60% cloudy, but there are very few amber trichs.
PS: The buds are not NEARLY as frosted as all that to the naked eye. Guess the flash reflects off of the trichs.
PS: The buds are not NEARLY as frosted as all that to the naked eye. Guess the flash reflects off of the trichs.
Dobby
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The pictures didn't come through but from the previous ones I think you are doing great. The ones I grew had yellowing too. Looking at my notes, from what I can tell and remember the trichs seemed to increase quickly after day 52. I did have a note about the smell but I just said "nice" and I don't remember what that means exactly. I also had a note they were quite sticky at day 56.
Hitch
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Thanks for that update Dobby. I feel a little better what with yours and Jogro's comments.
By the way, although the pics aren't showing, the attachment links are showing for me. You should be able to click on them individually.
beginner.legal.growop
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BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH bro that was one test on maybe 1 to 2 different strains. For all we know they might have not been true autos, or those genetics work better with 14/10. ALMOST EVERY BREEDER has on their website, or under seed description, a part that explains you will get less yield with less light. For instance Afghan Kush Ryder, by World of Seeds clearly says to run 24/0 to get the best yield although you can run 18/6 to get similar yields. Breeders go through test runs with their plants and watch other growers who are growing there plants to find the best lighting schedule possible. Do me a favor and go buy 100 seeds, 10 strains, 10 seeds of each. Grow 5 of each in 14/0 and 5 of each in 18/6, 5 being all one strain on one, 5 being that same strain on the other. Run these tests for about a year, then come back with what you have found. UNTIL THEN! I am going to go with what the breeders recommend, not what you or what some other maybe faulty test has clearly not proven. The funniest part is it would be almost impossible to do these tests because you cannot clone them and run the test on the same plant in different setting. Each seed is different, unless you have created a truly stable strains even then you will find different variations to some extent. So once again, the test was faulty because there is no way to actually prove it unless you run a large amount of seeds, say 50, then maybe you will find some real evidence. If you put plants outside, and you watch on timendate.com the sunset/sunrise. Once it drops to 14/10 some of your plants will go into there pre-flower stretch. In about 1-2 weeks when they are done stretching you will be at 13:30/10:30 on/off. Thats usually around august... Around september it will be at 12/12... dont believe me... if you live in California, next year check the timendate website at around that time. Some plants can flower outdoors with 14/10 just because the days getting shorter each day triggers flowering. When you are inside the lighting time does not get shorter so you have to switch it to 12/12. If you switch it to 13/11, I guarantee some plants will start flowering, others will not... Now please tell me... if some plants can flower with 14 hours of light on and 10 hours off, what the hell is the point of an auto flowering plant if you want to run it 14/10?
if 14/10 really increased yield (and I am not saying it doesnt increase yield on maybe 1 or 2 strains) then why would breeders advise for a 18/6, 20/4, or 24/0 lighting schedule. Any why does ALMOST EVERY breeder say outside you will get 20-40 grams, but inside under proper lighting you can get 60-200 grams? hmmmmmmm?
I can see the pictures. a lot of accounts on here cannot see some people pictures, for instance I cant see any of my pictures, but I can see maybe 1/3 the peoples pictures on here. the rest all come up as a blank slate. Hopefully rollitup is trying its hardest to fix this because attitude is about to have there next promo and I need to see some pictures to figure out what autos I want next! haha. Nice plants btw.
cannagorilla
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How do all of yours smell. mine smells heavenly like acidy tones of skunky artificial blueberrys. It smells so Yummy
Hitch
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Blueberrys.....You know what, I couldn't quite put my finger on one of the smells, but I think that's it. Not much on mine, but just enough for me to notice now that you've pointed it out.
Today is day 60! I could harvest now, but I think if I wait 4-7 days I'll do a bit better. I'll take some pics maybe tomorrow.
Today is day 60! I could harvest now, but I think if I wait 4-7 days I'll do a bit better. I'll take some pics maybe tomorrow.
