Do not smoke marijuana in excess, It can cause cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome

qwizoking

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guess not.here let me help you ;)

cb1 receptors respond to the c-9 position of the cyclohexane ring, the phenolic hydroxyl and carbon/non polar side chains at c3

check structure of win 55,napthalene ring and cyclohexane ring, carbonyl group and phenolic hydroxyl, and morpholinoethyl group

2 oxygens a phenolic hydroxyl at position 1 and an oxygen pyran ring opposite,interacting through hydrogen bonding with a lysine residue,the opening of the pyran ring not being significant.....i love chemistry talk
 

CHS?

New Member
Well, shit. Qwizoking may not trust medical journals, but my man does know his chemistry. Lol.
 

qwizoking

Well-Known Member
yea unfortunately there arent more like me, check my clsa/lsc thread.... i originally went to school wanting to design new drugs, shit what are they called i just blanked? they mimic real drugs but obviously arent...damn ill gett it, anyway ended up walking with just a pharm d. but im still interested in making better drugs from readily available shit. currently focused on lysergic acid and its amides, i think lsa has a huge potential. cdlsa my favorite...one day
 

qwizoking

Well-Known Member
figured i would clear it up if you caught it and were wondering. i named the thread clsa/lsc because thats what its more likely to be known as (either way lsc is incorrect, cinamaldehyde likes to form a double bond so the more probable adduct is cdlsa, cinnamylidene BIslysergamide) so cdlsa. anyway way off topic
 

Sir.Ganga

New Member
So, riddle me this: if this is all in my head and these doctors just made it up, why did I only get sicker with more use (I ramped up my smoking to combat the symptoms), and why am I getting better now that I'm clean? It seems to me that people will argue against anything they don't want to hear simply because they don't want to hear it. It's time to face the music: chronic, frequent marijuana use can have negative consequences (aside from the obvious lung problems).
Your mind is a powerful tool, You are the one that is refusing to see the truth my friend. As of right now there are no reports, tests, or break through's that are not bias one way or the other. Sadly you have been duped by the system and truly believe, maybe that's why your condition changes??? Whatever the reason you seem to be convinced so do what your heart is telling you.
 

CHS?

New Member
I don't really see why medical those different medical journals would be considered biased, but alright. And I never associated the problem with pot until I stopped and this went away. I don't know why you'd think it's all in my head when the only thing I changed recently was cutting out MJ.

I agree that the mind is powerful and thing could be psychosomatic, but it's a really strange coincidence that I've gotten better just by stopping smoking. Especially when I spent years with the problem thinking pot should help (and it never really did aside from temporarily relieving the symptoms and helping me eat).
 

CHS?

New Member
RE-POST FROM MY OTHER THEAD ON THIS ISSUE:

Three weeks dry now and I'm completely symptom-less. No nausea, no puking, no food aversion. I'm constantly hungry now and am eating anything and everything like it's going out of style without feeling the least bit queasy.

Up until three weeks ago (while still smoking regularly), I would feel nauseated whenever I was even around food. If I could smell it, I felt sick. If I ate, I'd only be able to tolerate a small amount (even after smoking and feeling the munchies). But now I'm eating outrageously large portions and doing everything I can to put some weight back on. So far, so good.

I'll continue to keep y'all updated on my progress, but for now I'd say that CHS is a real issue. I don't know exactly why some people develop it and others don't, but I'm pretty damn sure I had it. What else could it be? The only thing I've changed is cutting out pot.

On a different note, I really want to get high. Lol.
 

xGrimace

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I have been plagued by gi problems for the past couple years. I went to the er at least 5 times. The doctors ran every test in the book, and couldn't find anything wrong with me. It turns out i went to the er yesterday with the same problem. They ran every test, and couldn't find anything. The doctor then came in and asked me if i smoked marijuana. I told the doctor i smoke marijuana frequently. The doctor told me that in the states where marijuana is legalized for medical use, more people are getting diagnosed with cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, which is what i was diagnosed with. The symptoms are generally being sick in the morning such as throwing up and abdominal pain. The symptoms usually come in cycles. The theory is that chronic, heavy smokers build up a toxic level of cannabinoids. Has anyone heard of this?
Thats crazy talk.
 

Gamberro

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Write down everything you eat and drink...so, the next time you go to ER, you will have a trigger...
And it anit MJ...
Before you give up MJ.... Give up:
Everything Fried
Carbonation in any drink, Monster/Beer/Coke's
Drink 10-16 oz of water Before every meal...
I 100% guarantee you will live better, sleep better, and stop going to the ER....
Am I a doctor ?
No... but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last week...
I have pissed people off making the point I'm about to make, but here it is.

My industry is health and fitness, I say this to qualify myself, not to be a snob. It is one thing to make the true statement that the body is a massively complex organism and that holistic ie well-rounded healthcare is T H E only way to go. However it sets off in me a red light that you clear cut say it ISN'T the marijuana. I have seen people have massive psychological issues exacerbated or even brought out by ((excessive)) marijuana use, but sometimes even in small amounts. It's like any other substance, you know how to use it and you practice moderation, but some people just aren't meant for cannabinoids on that level in their system. This guy went to ER, which suggests a serious problem, and a cannabis-friendly doc makes a diagnosis informed by many years of formal education and clearly (by his MJ-friendly nature) ongoing education through seminars, professional journals etc.. Desktop diagnosis is not appropriate in this sort of situation, and though I respect all people and know that you would not intend any harm on this guy, you're not doing him any good, and you're fostering a culture that chooses to embrace "nothing can ever be bad about marijuana cuz I like it" instead of "it's like everything else, use within good reason and abstain if negative effects arise". It's that same lateral minded culture that gives rise to (other) various forms of ignorance and thereby robs the MJ culture of its reason and integrity.

Furthermore, not for the sake of being mean, but that carbonation thing is vastly outdated, I remember having to correct my 70 y.o. dad on that. It was a rule of thumb that helped athletes avoid carb-heavy, bloating drinks like soda and beer at a time when your health teacher would talk about the importance of douching inbetween drags on his cigarette.
 

derbydoll712

New Member
I have been suffering from severe vomiting for 2 years now. I have been hospitalized 10 times and every time it happens during my period. When I go to the hospital the doctors ask me if I smoke weed. Yes, I have smoked daily for 15+ years. They automatically tell me I have CHS and refuse to even acknowledge CVS. I am VERY skeptical of CHS being real. I was symptom free and had no episodes for about a year when I was put on low dose estrogen (Depo-Provera) which stopped my period completely but then I went off of it because of a doctors suggestion and recently the vomiting returned when my period did ( I continued to smoke weed on the depo shot and had no symptoms or occurrences for a year.) During my episodes which begin in the early mornings, I found that hot baths made the pain in my stomach feel better so I took numerous baths for relief. the doctors tell me that baths are the only difference between cvs and chs and that only CHS sufferers like to take baths but not CVS sufferers. However, In my research online I have found that both cvs and chs sufferers take baths for relief so I do not believe that to be true. I've tried to explain to the docs that it only happens during my period and ask why is that? they could not explain but only blamed it on weed. I recently discovered catamenial CVS which is cvs related only to the menstrual cycle. So, I have quit smoking weed for the last 2 weeks and my period has just started. It's horrible that I actually HOPE to get sick again so that I can rule out weed and prove the doctors wrong. In all my research there isn't much detail about how often CVS sufferers get sick. Is it daily? weekly? monthly? sporadic? It's frustrating not knowing much and not finding the answers I am looking for. questions for you cvssufferer.... how often do you have symptoms? how often are you hospitalized? do you also find relief from baths? I have had all of the tests done and nothing... I'm just looking to talk to someone with CVS and compare notes. I appreciate any input and in return will answer any questions you may have.
 

sunni

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Staff member
I have been suffering from severe vomiting for 2 years now. I have been hospitalized 10 times and every time it happens during my period. When I go to the hospital the doctors ask me if I smoke weed. Yes, I have smoked daily for 15+ years. They automatically tell me I have CHS and refuse to even acknowledge CVS. I am VERY skeptical of CHS being real. I was symptom free and had no episodes for about a year when I was put on low dose estrogen (Depo-Provera) which stopped my period completely but then I went off of it because of a doctors suggestion and recently the vomiting returned when my period did ( I continued to smoke weed on the depo shot and had no symptoms or occurrences for a year.) During my episodes which begin in the early mornings, I found that hot baths made the pain in my stomach feel better so I took numerous baths for relief. the doctors tell me that baths are the only difference between cvs and chs and that only CHS sufferers like to take baths but not CVS sufferers. However, In my research online I have found that both cvs and chs sufferers take baths for relief so I do not believe that to be true. I've tried to explain to the docs that it only happens during my period and ask why is that? they could not explain but only blamed it on weed. I recently discovered catamenial CVS which is cvs related only to the menstrual cycle. So, I have quit smoking weed for the last 2 weeks and my period has just started. It's horrible that I actually HOPE to get sick again so that I can rule out weed and prove the doctors wrong. In all my research there isn't much detail about how often CVS sufferers get sick. Is it daily? weekly? monthly? sporadic? It's frustrating not knowing much and not finding the answers I am looking for. questions for you cvssufferer.... how often do you have symptoms? how often are you hospitalized? do you also find relief from baths? I have had all of the tests done and nothing... I'm just looking to talk to someone with CVS and compare notes. I appreciate any input and in return will answer any questions you may have.
dont tell them you smoke weed.
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
dont tell them you smoke weed.
lol sunni, same exact thing i was thinking.. next time something like this happens, and i hope it never returns mind you, and they ask you if you smoke the weed, simply tell them no so that they can do their damn jobs and try and diagnose you..
 

mrCRC420

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I'm not really sure what's going on... but when I wake up, my stomach feels like shit. So I smoke some weed and eat some food; then I feel better. Chyea.
 

M1dAmber

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Anyone with a script for 'antibiotics' remember, AB kills all the good and bad, your GI track will suffer every time you take them... The good bacteria, and the bad bacteria infection, will die... then you must replace and re-grow the good bacteria....
Hope you feel better...
Soda will do this to you as well. If you drink soda consistently, likely you have little-to-no beneficial bacteria in your stomach. ESPECIALLY if you drink energy drinks.

"Few people know that the sweetener in the yellow packets, also called sucralose, was actually discovered while scientists were designing an insecticide.
Even though scientists slightly modified the original insecticide into the sweetener that it is today, sucralose is still effective at killing bugs. The only difference? These bugs are microscopic and beneficial to your digestive and immune system."(1)

"The alleged symptoms associated with sucralose are gastrointestinal problems (bloating, gas, diarrhea, nausea)..."(2)

Flip over almost any soda, and the word "sucralose" will be staring you right in the face.
Check this little "nugget" of info out...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fpEgurO-ec3 That's right...you could (in theory) spray this on your plants and kill off a nasty mite infection. AHAHAH. And this goes into your STOMACH.

In all honestly, with how much gmo's/pesticides/sucralose amounts there are in shit these days, products from grocery stores are more than likely the culprit. Try changing your diet. You could also be gluten intolerant. I have a buddy who had to completely give up wheat and wheat biproducts and anything with gluten because he was having super painful stomach issues daily. Try eating ONLY fresh produce for a week (farmers market kinda stuff), take your multivitamins, (no boxed meals, no fast food), no sodas, and see what happens.

My guess is you live someplace where Cannabis is not an accepted form of medicine? If you are in any sort of Christian-conservative state, they may just throw that diagnosis at anyone who they find out smokes Cannabis, just because they disapprove, and are misinformed.

I wouldn't put it past 'em.

(All imo)


REFERENCES:
1.http://bodyecology.com/articles/is-this-“diet”-food-causing-you-to-gain-weight-and-kill-the-good-bacteria-in-your-gut#.Ucslj5yBlOx
2.http://www.onhealth.com/artificial_sweeteners/page9.htm
 
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