Do You Really Think Marijuana Will Be Legal Soon? (nationwide)
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legalizeitcanada
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Although I wish it would be, here is why I think it will be many years before we see cannabis legal across north America, basically because of big business. If you really look at the versatility of hemp and cannabis, it would seriously affect many industries and groups, here's a few:
The Biggee and we all know this - DEA - since such a high percentage of drug busts are marijuana related, if it was legal you would most likely see this organization end, not that that would be such a bad thing....assholes...
The Pharmaceutical companies - how much money would they loose if people smartened up and started growing their own natural medicines, almost all medicines are mocked from something naturally occurring in nature, penicillin, morphine, man just too many to name em all, would they really allow that?
How about the textile companies that produce paper, rope clothing and so many other products, or the loggin' companies that destroy the earth, do you think those corporations would go down without a fight, because the re-introduction of hemp would devastate them and save the planet! (Cool Fact - the first paper mill in the US was hemp paper and the constitution is written on hemp paper, check it out!)
But that's not all - the entire legal system get huge amounts of funding from drug related prosecution, think about all the people across north America that have to go to court for marijuana related charges, think of all the fines, court costs, lawyer fees and the money that everybody in that court room is making doin they jobs (prosecuting for a pant)
Then you have the Prisions which has now become privatized businesses, what would happen if there were no drug bust for them to fill their jails with, wouldn't be as profitable.
It would most likely affect the farming industry as many farmers would probably start growing hemp due to it turn over, easyness to grow and many many uses, ensuring they would be able to sell their product, food prices may go up, but like their not already, cept the hardworkin farmers don't see the money.....
If you can be sure of one thing.....it's that history repeats itself and you can be sure that if the government does decide to allow us sheep to have our precious plant, they still will find a way to fuck us, laws were made to be broken....literally.....or else the machine would not run....better yet... there would be no need for the machine.....
I dunno maybe im just jayded cause of all the bullshit that has been goin on recently, but as you look at the past you see it's been going on forever, why would they simply end it and give the people what they want......no matter what, I will never stop growin and smokin and living day to day with a smile on my face, FUCK THE GUVURNMENT!
The Biggee and we all know this - DEA - since such a high percentage of drug busts are marijuana related, if it was legal you would most likely see this organization end, not that that would be such a bad thing....assholes...
The Pharmaceutical companies - how much money would they loose if people smartened up and started growing their own natural medicines, almost all medicines are mocked from something naturally occurring in nature, penicillin, morphine, man just too many to name em all, would they really allow that?
How about the textile companies that produce paper, rope clothing and so many other products, or the loggin' companies that destroy the earth, do you think those corporations would go down without a fight, because the re-introduction of hemp would devastate them and save the planet! (Cool Fact - the first paper mill in the US was hemp paper and the constitution is written on hemp paper, check it out!)
But that's not all - the entire legal system get huge amounts of funding from drug related prosecution, think about all the people across north America that have to go to court for marijuana related charges, think of all the fines, court costs, lawyer fees and the money that everybody in that court room is making doin they jobs (prosecuting for a pant)
Then you have the Prisions which has now become privatized businesses, what would happen if there were no drug bust for them to fill their jails with, wouldn't be as profitable.
It would most likely affect the farming industry as many farmers would probably start growing hemp due to it turn over, easyness to grow and many many uses, ensuring they would be able to sell their product, food prices may go up, but like their not already, cept the hardworkin farmers don't see the money.....
If you can be sure of one thing.....it's that history repeats itself and you can be sure that if the government does decide to allow us sheep to have our precious plant, they still will find a way to fuck us, laws were made to be broken....literally.....or else the machine would not run....better yet... there would be no need for the machine.....
I dunno maybe im just jayded cause of all the bullshit that has been goin on recently, but as you look at the past you see it's been going on forever, why would they simply end it and give the people what they want......no matter what, I will never stop growin and smokin and living day to day with a smile on my face, FUCK THE GUVURNMENT!
legalizeitcanada
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Ya LOL them tooo! I'm sure theres a few more that will come up too, that was just offa the top o my head... Least i know Im not the only jaded one here lol!!
Burger Boss
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We will know our enemy any time now. The primaries are over here in CA, and soon the cannabis "naysayers" will be showing up on the airways, spewing theirs lies, mis truths and other assorted bull shit. I for one do not intend to sit on my ass and watch these assholes take away something I've waited 50 years for! Every TV commercial, or newspaper ad that shows up in my area, will be met with ridicule,
scorn, and countered with facts to blow away their lies. These bastards must be held accountable for their misguided behavior.
At the bottom of EVERY political ad, there must be a listing of the sponsor. I will google whatever entity is shown, and proceed to "Blizzard" them with email from HELL!
I have joined up with Tax & Control Cannabis California 2010 and contributed $10, and I would suggest that some in this Forum could do the same, if in fact, they are truly passionate about this and would really like to help. Good luck & good grow.......BB
ford442
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i put in $5 at http://www.taxcannabis2010.org/ - everybody has a nickel bag they can spare right?
TheRuiner
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Legalization is inevitable, it's just a matter of enough people (and the right people) getting behind it. Once truth has enough time to spread then it's a no brainer that cannabis will be legal again... it's getting the truth to the people that will take time, unfortunately there are still so many people out there that don't care enough to educate them selves, that is until it's effected their lives in some way ie(family or friend getting jailed or arrested). At least we're headed in the right direction. I don't understand how people can be so uneducated regarding something we impose such harsh penalties for. The truth always boils to the surface though, always does, it's just a matter of time... what a waste of 70+ years of resources and lives ruined for something some of our founders enjoyed themselves the same way we do.....
Burger Boss
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That is just too cool! You're a good man ford. Finally someone who really puts their money where their mouth is.
I'm thinking there are some CA folks in here who can post up, big time! BUT, no action, no follow through, not willing to WORK.
So, my CA brothers & sisters, have you got what it takes? Can YOU put down the bong long enough to HELP?
Help with what you ask? Convince the 18+ year olds that their vote DOES count....get 3 non voters to register.....convince at least 3 voters who may not be sure which way to go, that this is RIGHT on many levels. OK, maybe you're not in a position to OPENLY advocate, FINE, Then YOU, (someone of means with something to lose for advocating), REACH down in that big ol' wallet and pull out $50/100 or MORE! I'm 71, LIVE on social security, (or at least get by), and I was able to find $10 for the cause.
Any day now there will be MILLIONS of dollars spent on media to attempt to defeat this proposition, it will take big $$$$ to counter their crap! If you want legal smoke and NOT be a "criminal" anymore, then bloody well get with the program! BB
mrboots
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I dont think I'll ever see it legal nationwide, but cali has a real chance, go vote if you live out there. We had the issue on the ballot out here in nevada a few years ago, it failed, but got 45% of the vote, so maybe if it passes in california wecan have another shot at it out here.
1gamma45
Active Member
Once it starts it will not stop. The fact is we need this plant not just to smoke but to take that next step in fuel supply and wood resources. There are enough smart people seeing whats going on that are in the right place to make the right calls to have it made legal soon. The whole resone MJ was outlawed was because it was seen as something that was taking profits from people using oil and wood. Well with all the logging and distruction of the of forests and the complete screw ups of oil companies like BP its becoming a money sink to not look into legalizing, taxing , and making money off hemp and the products it can replace.
legalizeitcanada
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The whole reason MJ was outlawed was because it was seen as something that was taking profits from people using oil and wood. --- Actually, it wasn't outlawed until after the carter admin lost power due to the VP getting caught with coke, I believe it was Nixon who implemented the law, before that is was legal, the first US paper mill was for hemp paper, which is what the US constitution is written on.....the real reason is was (and I can't say outlawed) was because of Mexico's importation of the product. They had the ability to grow more than the US due to their weather patterns and it was driving their economy, almost surpassing the US at the time, which they didn't like. Essentially what they did was say that you had to have a special stamp from the government to import or export the product, and didn't give out any stamps...essentially makin it illegal....Fuckin bullshit......but I do agree that nowadays, OIL, LOGGIN, JUDICIAL and POWER companies and the sort are the main forces keeping the prohibition active!
Burger Boss
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Your attitude is great! Unfortunately, your information is WAY off. MJ was made illegal in the USA in the 1930's, NOT during the Carter OR Nixon administrations.
The production of MJ in Mexico has NEVER made Mexico some economic powerhouse, rivaling the US economy! And as for them having more favorable weather for the cultivation of GOOD cannabis...........uh, I'm thinking that some of the FINEST strains in the world come from, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A. So, please, keep up the GREAT attitude, BUT, get your facts straight. Good luck & good grow.......BB
legalizeitcanada
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Actually.....
For most of human history, marijuana has been completely legal. It’s not a recently discovered plant, nor is it a long-standing law. Marijuana has been illegal for less than 1% of the time that it’s been in use. Its known uses go back further than 7,000 B.C. and it was legal as recently as when Ronald Reagan was a boy.
The marijuana (hemp) plant, of course, has an incredible number of uses. The earliest known woven fabric was apparently of hemp, and over the centuries the plant was used for food, incense, cloth, rope, and much more. This adds to some of the confusion over its introduction in the United States, as the plant was well known from the early 1600’s, but did not reach public awareness as a recreational drug until the early 1900’s.
America’s first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia in 1619. It was a law “ordering” all farmers to grow Indian hempseed. There were several other “must grow” laws over the next 200 years (you could be jailed for not growing hemp during times of shortage in Virginia between 1763 and 1767), and during most of that time, hemp was legal tender (you could even pay your taxes with hemp — try that today!) Hemp was such a critical crop for a number of purposes (including essential war requirements – rope, etc.) that the government went out of its way to encourage growth.
The United States Census of 1850 counted 8,327 hemp “plantations” (minimum 2,000-acre farm) growing cannabis hemp for cloth, canvas and even the cordage used for baling cotton.
The Mexican Connection
In the early 1900s, the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexican-Americans. The revolution in Mexico in 1910 spilled over the border, with General Pershing’s army clashing with bandit Pancho Villa. Later in that decade, bad feelings developed between the small farmer and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Then, the depression came and increased tensions, as jobs and welfare resources became scarce.
One of the “differences” seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them, and it was through this that California apparently passed the first state marijuana law, outlawing “preparations of hemp, or loco weed.”
However, one of the first state laws outlawing marijuana may have been influenced, not just by Mexicans using the drug, but, oddly enough, because of Mormons using it. Mormons who traveled to Mexico in 1910 came back to Salt Lake City with marijuana. The church’s reaction to this may have contributed to the state’s marijuana law. (Note: the source for this speculation is from articles by Charles Whitebread, Professor of Law at USC Law School in a paper for the Virginia Law Review, and a speech to the California Judges Association (sourced below). Mormon blogger Ardis Parshall disputes this.)
Other states quickly followed suit with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927). These laws tended to be specifically targeted against the Mexican-American population.
When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator’s comment: “When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff… he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies.” In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: “All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.”
oh ya and
The War on Drugs, referred to as the "War on some Drugs" by its detractors, is a campaign of prohibition and foreign military aid being undertaken by the United States government, with the assistance of participating countries, intended to both define and reduce the illegal drug trade.[1][2] This initiative includes a set of drug policies of the United States that are intended to discourage the production, distribution, and consumption of psychoactive drugs. The term was first used by President Richard Nixon on June 17, 1971.[3][4]
It wasn't made illegal in the 30's, just not available, the laws started shortly after.......but I'm always up to learn more and if I'm off and you can back it up with some documentation then I would be more than happy to revise my point of view......Thanks for the comment though.....love this site!! Nothing like a good ole back and forth!!
For most of human history, marijuana has been completely legal. It’s not a recently discovered plant, nor is it a long-standing law. Marijuana has been illegal for less than 1% of the time that it’s been in use. Its known uses go back further than 7,000 B.C. and it was legal as recently as when Ronald Reagan was a boy.
The marijuana (hemp) plant, of course, has an incredible number of uses. The earliest known woven fabric was apparently of hemp, and over the centuries the plant was used for food, incense, cloth, rope, and much more. This adds to some of the confusion over its introduction in the United States, as the plant was well known from the early 1600’s, but did not reach public awareness as a recreational drug until the early 1900’s.
America’s first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia in 1619. It was a law “ordering” all farmers to grow Indian hempseed. There were several other “must grow” laws over the next 200 years (you could be jailed for not growing hemp during times of shortage in Virginia between 1763 and 1767), and during most of that time, hemp was legal tender (you could even pay your taxes with hemp — try that today!) Hemp was such a critical crop for a number of purposes (including essential war requirements – rope, etc.) that the government went out of its way to encourage growth.
The United States Census of 1850 counted 8,327 hemp “plantations” (minimum 2,000-acre farm) growing cannabis hemp for cloth, canvas and even the cordage used for baling cotton.
The Mexican Connection
In the early 1900s, the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexican-Americans. The revolution in Mexico in 1910 spilled over the border, with General Pershing’s army clashing with bandit Pancho Villa. Later in that decade, bad feelings developed between the small farmer and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Then, the depression came and increased tensions, as jobs and welfare resources became scarce.
One of the “differences” seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them, and it was through this that California apparently passed the first state marijuana law, outlawing “preparations of hemp, or loco weed.”
However, one of the first state laws outlawing marijuana may have been influenced, not just by Mexicans using the drug, but, oddly enough, because of Mormons using it. Mormons who traveled to Mexico in 1910 came back to Salt Lake City with marijuana. The church’s reaction to this may have contributed to the state’s marijuana law. (Note: the source for this speculation is from articles by Charles Whitebread, Professor of Law at USC Law School in a paper for the Virginia Law Review, and a speech to the California Judges Association (sourced below). Mormon blogger Ardis Parshall disputes this.)
Other states quickly followed suit with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927). These laws tended to be specifically targeted against the Mexican-American population.
When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator’s comment: “When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff… he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies.” In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: “All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.”
oh ya and
The War on Drugs, referred to as the "War on some Drugs" by its detractors, is a campaign of prohibition and foreign military aid being undertaken by the United States government, with the assistance of participating countries, intended to both define and reduce the illegal drug trade.[1][2] This initiative includes a set of drug policies of the United States that are intended to discourage the production, distribution, and consumption of psychoactive drugs. The term was first used by President Richard Nixon on June 17, 1971.[3][4]
It wasn't made illegal in the 30's, just not available, the laws started shortly after.......but I'm always up to learn more and if I'm off and you can back it up with some documentation then I would be more than happy to revise my point of view......Thanks for the comment though.....love this site!! Nothing like a good ole back and forth!!
nathenking
Well-Known Member
If it does get voted legal, why dont any of you see that what ever the government touches they fuck up... This will be no different... If pot goes legal the government will get there greedy hands wrapped around it and fuck it up... Look at the ATF alcohol, tobacoo and firearms... Basically you cant sell any of those items with out some kind of permit, this has big business all written all over it... You will have to pay for a permit and then get taxed out of the ass to produce it, thats saying if any one decides to pay tax on it anyways. All my humboldt friends will not all of a sudden start paying 25-30 percent taxes on what they already have been growing for decades.
Another note is that if cali does legalize it, it will never compare to how much money they are in debt, they still need the federal money to run there state, so the federal government will say nope, change the law or get cut off from the federal titty. That is what happend in Montana when they were forced to change the speed limit in the 90's
A point pertaining to the presidency, if obama wants to get re-elected he will not let this happen, otherwise he will lose all those states that have been mentioned above and give the republicans a huge platform, I doubt he will let it fly, its political suicide for him.
just my 2cents
Another note is that if cali does legalize it, it will never compare to how much money they are in debt, they still need the federal money to run there state, so the federal government will say nope, change the law or get cut off from the federal titty. That is what happend in Montana when they were forced to change the speed limit in the 90's
A point pertaining to the presidency, if obama wants to get re-elected he will not let this happen, otherwise he will lose all those states that have been mentioned above and give the republicans a huge platform, I doubt he will let it fly, its political suicide for him.
just my 2cents
legalizeitcanada
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and the G20 aint makin things any better
Scruffydss
Member
If it does go legal in California it will boost the tourism industry ... hmmm where do I want to go on vacation ? ... sun, surf and spliff 