Does anyone besides me take this?

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jtprin said:
You should take a multivitamin every day regardless of your diet.
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jtprin said:
If you know for a fact that everything you are eating, everyday, gets you all of the vital nutrients your body needs, then sure.
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These are contradictory statements.

One post I need one every day, the next post I don't. Backpeddaling. If I had a dietician who could not create a diet for me that supplies me with all of my "essential" dietary requirements then it would be my opinion that you are a useless dietician. It is incredibly easy to oragnize your duiet to give you what you need. I this also worth baring in mind that seemingly not two countries in the world will agree what the human daily requirements are, everyone seems to suggest something different.
 
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jtprin said:
Well, technically it's not. Because nobody can know for a fact all the nutrtional information of everything they eat, everyday. Did they sit there and do all the testing before they ate it? Let's be real.
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Being real, based on your opinion, means that you therefore can't know for a fact that taking a pill on to of their diet will not take them over the upper limit of safe vitamin quantities :-)
 
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tip top toker said:
Being real, based on your opinion, means that you therefore can't know for a fact that taking a pill on to of their diet will not take them over the upper limit of safe vitamin quantities :-)
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It depends on the quality of the multivitamin and the health status of the person taking it. Maybe taking too much of a certain vitamin for that individual is bad, but other people it would be harmless.
 
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jtprin said:
It depends on the quality of the multivitamin and the health status of the person taking it. Maybe taking too much of a certain vitamin for that individual is bad, but other people it would be harmless.
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Yet you made a blanket statement stating you should have a vitamin every day regardless of diet. Nor do you come in here recommending certain vitamins, just your one super vitamin pill.

I still stand by the notion that if you're a health but, you should not need to be taking vitamin pills. If you do, then you're eating wrong.

You have failed to convince anyone it seems.
 
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Yet you made a blanket statement stating you should have a vitamin every day regardless of diet. Nor do you come in here recommending certain vitamins, just your one super vitamin pill.

I still stand by the notion that if you're a health but, you should not need to be taking vitamin pills. If you do, then you're eating wrong.

You have failed to convince anyone it seems.
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How many people have you heard who suffer from taking a multivitamin because of their diet? Are you serious?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/health/daily-multivitamin-may-reduce-cancer-risk-clinical-trial-finds.html?_r=0 - Taking daily multivitamin reduces risk of any cancer.
 
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When I splice an indica branch onto a sativa, that's genetically modifying the plants. When we cross breed, force hermie, and then back breed for stabilization, that's genetically modifying our plants. So, I assume that you only grow/consume outdoor grown, pure strain indicas and sativas? Otherwise, you ARE consuming genetically modified plants. Whether it's the splicing of a single gene or a selective splice/breed/back breed, it's all genetic modification.

Multivitamins are a supplement, and should only be taken if necessary. Eating a balanced, whole-food based diet, with an emphasis on dark greens, legumes, nuts, and whole grains will give you all of the vitamins and minerals that you normally need. I take creatine -- because I don't eat red meat more than 1 or 2 times a month. I don't need to supplement anything else though For me, it's actually the most difficult to keep up with my caloric intake needs some times (around 6500 daily, during the work season.) My blood tests for DOT and for routine testing always shows I am a specimen of model health. I smoke cigarettes, and between 4 -8 grams every single day.

The concept of everyone taking a daily is actually quite dangerous. Here is the first link that came up in a google search, referencing multiple studies. Are multis good or bad?

With the Harvard Study. Harvard is a second rate University, but still is a world class research facility. They've done a great deal of groundbreaking research on Molta, and the physiological effects on the human body, including it's possible negative affects, and it's medicinal properties. My favorite study from Harvard kinda' contradicts your "pot is bad" study. Harvard Journal of Medicine, circa 2007, Marijuana and Lung Cancer. Long Stem, Short Stem -- both HALTED and in some cases REVERSED when treated with Marijuana. Here's a story about the study.
 
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jtprin said:
How many people have you heard who suffer from taking a multivitamin because of their diet? Are you serious?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/health/daily-multivitamin-may-reduce-cancer-risk-clinical-trial-finds.html?_r=0 - Taking daily multivitamin reduces risk of any cancer.
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Your study is one of many... And one of the only that suggests people take multis just because. It's stupid, dangerous, and if a single person, based on your advice, starts needlessly taking a multi and dies, that death is your responsibility. 100%. You are giving advice that can KILL otherwise healthy people. Seriously, vitamin O/D is a real danger, especially for healthy, in shape, properly eating adults. If you want empirical numbers on deaths and disability/injury caused by vitamin overdose, do the research. I just gave you a really nice starting place, in this posting, and my prior post. At this point, it's no longer irresponsible for you to continue shilling for pharma, it's intentionally spreading misinformation that can cause people to DIE.
 
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minnesmoker said:
When I splice an indica branch onto a sativa, that's genetically modifying the plants. When we cross breed, force hermie, and then back breed for stabilization, that's genetically modifying our plants. So, I assume that you only grow/consume outdoor grown, pure strain indicas and sativas? Otherwise, you ARE consuming genetically modified plants. Whether it's the splicing of a single gene or a selective splice/breed/back breed, it's all genetic modification.

Multivitamins are a supplement, and should only be taken if necessary. Eating a balanced, whole-food based diet, with an emphasis on dark greens, legumes, nuts, and whole grains will give you all of the vitamins and minerals that you normally need. I take creatine -- because I don't eat red meat more than 1 or 2 times a month. I don't need to supplement anything else though For me, it's actually the most difficult to keep up with my caloric intake needs some times (around 6500 daily, during the work season.) My blood tests for DOT and for routine testing always shows I am a specimen of model health. I smoke cigarettes, and between 4 -8 grams every single day.

The concept of everyone taking a daily is actually quite dangerous. Here is the first link that came up in a google search, referencing multiple studies. Are multis good or bad?

With the Harvard Study. Harvard is a second rate University, but still is a world class research facility. They've done a great deal of groundbreaking research on Molta, and the physiological effects on the human body, including it's possible negative affects, and it's medicinal properties. My favorite study from Harvard kinda' contradicts your "pot is bad" study. Harvard Journal of Medicine, circa 2007, Marijuana and Lung Cancer. Long Stem, Short Stem -- both HALTED and in some cases REVERSED when treated with Marijuana. Here's a story about the study.
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Dude, are you being serious? You're comparing eating GMO FOODS to cross-breeding weed plants? Please, show the relevance. Also, I NEVER said pot was bad. This seems to be a growing trend here... putting words in my mouth. Can't beat me so you gotta troll me, clever.
 
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Also, as I said, not all multivitamins are alike. Some suck ass, some are very healthy. But finding the high quality one's will make you healthier than not taking anything else at all.
 
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Another thing... the link you provided is mostly dealing with individual vitamins, which normally provide with way more % of your daily than a multivitamin with that vitamin in it would. Vitamin C and E are only two vitamins. Again, the quality of the multi matters a lot.

"So, yes, the most recent research shows a modest reduced risk of total cancers among older men taking a multivitamin, but the overall research track record of vitamin supplementation isn’t as encouraging."

From your own link. The most RECENT research done on multivitamins prove my point.
 
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Yes, I seriously compared cultivation of plants with cultivation of plants. They are both GENETIC MODIFICATION. You did NOT say that pot is bad, you said that any genetically modified plant is. You also stated that Marijuana lowers your immune function. That is also a "negative" ... I'm counting 2 indirect references to Molta as being "bad." Here's a real shocker for you: EVERY SINGLE CULTIVATED PLANT IS GENETICALLY MODIFIED.

It doesn't matter how "healthy" and "high quality" a vitamin is, if it's not needed. Actually, if you were to eat healthy, get rest, exercise, get enough sunlight, and decided to supplement, you would be much better off with the 4.99 walmart special. They have a really low absorption rate, and so will be less likely to build toxic levels of vitamins and minerals in your system.

I've cited either direct or indirect studies to prove every single statement I've made. Where are your citations? I'm thinking that the word "troll" has a different meaning to you. So is your definition of a troll: "a person who makes a well thought out, and properly cited post, which contradicts my post in such a way as to negate my primary arguments?"
 
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minnesmoker said:
Yes, I seriously compared cultivation of plants with cultivation of plants. They are both GENETIC MODIFICATION. You did NOT say that pot is bad, you said that any genetically modified plant is. You also stated that Marijuana lowers your immune function. That is also a "negative" ... I'm counting 2 indirect references to Molta as being "bad." Here's a real shocker for you: EVERY SINGLE CULTIVATED PLANT IS GENETICALLY MODIFIED.

It doesn't matter how "healthy" and "high quality" a vitamin is, if it's not needed. Actually, if you were to eat healthy, get rest, exercise, get enough sunlight, and decided to supplement, you would be much better off with the 4.99 walmart special. They have a really low absorption rate, and so will be less likely to build toxic levels of vitamins and minerals in your system.

I've cited either direct or indirect studies to prove every single statement I've made. Where are your citations? I'm thinking that the word "troll" has a different meaning to you. So is your definition of a troll: "a person who makes a well thought out, and properly cited post, which contradicts my post in such a way as to negate my primary arguments?"
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Eating GMO's on a consistent basis is bad for you, smoking marijuana is not relevant. Sure, the plant may in some way be genetically modified, but not in the way that scientists insert genes into the seeds of the food we eat.

And yes, it does matter about the quality even if you may be getting a lot of nutrition in your diet. Many vitamins are water-soluble and will be flushed out of your body if there are any excess. Please, if you can, tell me one person who has died or gotten a serious illness from taking multivitamins because their diet was already good enough. Go ahead, I'll be waiting.
 
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Individual vitamin supplements can cause problems because like I said they usually give you a ridiculous amount. But a multi will not do that, unless it's very poor quality and even then I highly doubt it, but then again I don't know every single company that produces a multi lol. And if someone takes poor quality supplements without researching them on their own, that's their fault.
 
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Individual vitamin supplements can cause problems because like I said they usually give you a ridiculous amount. But a multi will not do that, unless it's very poor quality and even then I highly doubt it, but then again I don't know every single company that produces a multi lol. And if someone takes poor quality supplements without researching them on their own, that's their fault.
 
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I'm a sociopath, not psychotic, I know when it's just voices that can't be reasoned with.

I've offered proofs and cites, for my talking points, you have not. Don't call others out, when it's you that are posting "troll like" content-less, unresearched , uncited opinions, and claiming they are "fact."

Have fun with your vitamins, misconceptions, and remedial work if you ever start down that path to becoming a dietitian/nutritionist. Also, remember, you are responsible for every misconception you spread, you are liable for every single person's life affected by every tiny little bit of (mis)information you put out there. Research before you spew your "my vitamins are good and safe" propaganda.
 
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minnesmoker said:
I'm a sociopath, not psychotic, I know when it's just voices that can't be reasoned with.

I've offered proofs and cites, for my talking points, you have not. Don't call others out, when it's you that are posting "troll like" content-less, unresearched , uncited opinions, and claiming they are "fact."

Have fun with your vitamins, misconceptions, and remedial work if you ever start down that path to becoming a dietitian/nutritionist. Also, remember, you are responsible for every misconception you spread, you are liable for every single person's life affected by every tiny little bit of (mis)information you put out there. Research before you spew your "my vitamins are good and safe" propaganda.
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Okay buddy, even though your OWN SOURCE said that the most recent research backs up what I was saying, NOT YOU. By the way, what would you like me to provide links for?

Edit: You seem to think I'm unaware about the path of a dietitian. Every single patient is different and obviously if they told me about certain health problems, I'd have to work around that. That's the point of the job, do what caters to each individuals health needs. If someone for some reason could not take a multivitamin due to a health issue, then obviously I wouldn't recommend it. For a normal functioning body, quality multi's aren't going to damage you. They will benefit you.
 
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Ok, here's a short list of citations and proofs:
The impossibility of overdosing on "good multivitamins"
Evidence that consuming any GMO food that has been approved for planting by the FDA, and is grown as a food source, is in fact worse than it's non-modified predecessor.
Evidence that THC/Marijuana causes a reduction in immune function
Evidence that smoking cannabis has been linked to a single case of COPD or lung cancer.
Evidence that horticultural genetic modification (generational, cross-breeding/back-breeding, or plant splicing) is any safer than gene splicing.

And, I do realize that that synopsis I posted references primarily individual vitamin regimens. It also references studies that show multis aren't axiomatically good for you, cuz they are loaded with the good nutrients. The wiki I linked to cites both studies and federal research, to get the numbers associated with vitamin death and injury.

I'm not trying to argue, and I do think supplements have their place. But, not in everyone's system! It's a good thing to take quality, if you take them, I agree with you on that. Preaching blindly that everyone should take a multivitamin is dangerous, people can get very ill because of it.
 
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