Doggie Nutz....Northern Lights#1, Bubblegum, Blueberry

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kona gold

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Thanks for the name-calling. Way to make friends and influence people.


If you're not going to buy the ceeds, what on earth difference does it make?
I did reference a written report from this site, although, second hand.
If you want to read the actual report yourself, you can use the search feature to find it.
Being just an uneducated asshole, I just forgot how to do it myself.


You got a number of explanations of why growers with a clue WON'T buy and try their ceeds.
That's also the explanation of why you don't see many grow reports.


The answer isn't "speculative". Doggies Nuts *IS* defunct, the gear is all old stock.
But that's OK, you clearly know better. Don't listen to the answers you've asked for.


Perhaps you can explain to me how they could return ceeds to a company that has no assets and no longer exists, or why they would even want to try.
Being an uneducated asshole, I'm having a little bit of trouble understanding.


Oh. . .so you're now asking how seedbanks operate?
Normally, I'd explain, but unfortunately, I've just forgotten.



Dont get upset.....i respect ypur opinions always, but dont expect me to just agree with you, or not post questions.
I dont see why i need any reason to post questions on here, thats what a forum is for, so dont act like that. Simply not called for.
Now i will tell you anyway......i have been trying to get unique and true Norhtern Light strains, so i can hopefully create a great Northern Lights. Thats why i only want info from people who actually purchased this strain, as well as bubblegum and blueberry. I wanted to see if these guys took others genetics and possibly improved on their original lines. Not that hard to believe as these original lines arent worked that well.
I have been on a seed search since '92, a good bit of time, but i dont claim to know everything.
I can understand wht people think their prices are high, but i'm not concerned as much about price as i am im quality genetics. Not saying price has anything to do with quality. But i remember paying $420 for Nevilles Haze when it was first released by greenhouse.
So i really dont understand how seedbanks work, maybe you would be cool enough to explain, cause my take is, they have to purchase seeds from a breeder, especially high priced ones. Then those seeds are now the seed banks property? If this is the case, and yes i understand they not going to grow out all their strains, but they must have some following already?

Any answers would be greatly appreciated
 

Jogro

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Jogro, your humour is very British, what nationality are you?
American, born and bred, though I must admit, I do like fish and chips.

The "ceed" thing isn't some bizarre European spelling. I just spell the word that way so as not to trip the board auto-linker, which irks me a bit.

Plus I think its funny.

Back on Doggies Nuts (which actually WAS British, I think), I've posted quite a bit on them before, explaining in great detail why you don't need to grow their genetics to know that they're a rip off, and also why the company can ask $200 for a pack of ceeds and even once in a while find someone willing to pay it. The key is "ask". . .the fact that the company isn't doing business anymore probably explains all you really need to know about its business model and product quality.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/498669-expensive-seeds-2.html#post6838985
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/498669-expensive-seeds-2.html#post6839092

Even though I said I wasn't going to post this earlier, I lied, and here is a link to a quoted grow report on Doggies Nuts Northern lights. Bottom line, it sucked.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/498669-expensive-seeds-6.html#post8817949
 

OGEvilgenius

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Search through Peakseeds NL if you want to work the line. He took a bunch of old NL lineages to create his version.
 

hsfkush

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American, born and bred, though I must admit, I do like fish and chips.

The "ceed" thing isn't some bizarre European spelling. I just spell the word that way so as not to trip the board auto-linker, which irks me a bit.

Plus I think its funny.

Back on Doggies Nuts (which actually WAS British, I think), I've posted quite a bit on them before, explaining in great detail why you don't need to grow their genetics to know that they're a rip off, and also why the company can ask $200 for a pack of ceeds and even once in a while find someone willing to pay it. The key is "ask". . .the fact that the company isn't doing business anymore probably explains all you really need to know about its business model and product quality.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/498669-expensive-seeds-2.html#post6838985
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/498669-expensive-seeds-2.html#post6839092

Even though I said I wasn't going to post this earlier, I lied, and here is a link to a quoted grow report on Doggies Nuts Northern lights. Bottom line, it sucked.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/498669-expensive-seeds-6.html#post8817949
I'd assume so, I don't know any other nation that uses the expression "The dogs bollocks" or "The muts nuts" or the term "Pukka" all of which are London based slang for excellent/amazing/brilliant etc.
 

Jogro

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Dont get upset.....i respect ypur opinions always, but dont expect me to just agree with you, or not post questions.
Post whatever you like.
I really don't care if you agree with me or not, especially when you're wrong!

I dont see why i need any reason to post questions on here, thats what a forum is for, so dont act like that. Simply not called for.
That's rich.
After calling every poster in this thread an illiterate uneducated asshole, now you're explaining what is and isn't "called for"?

Now i will tell you anyway......i have been trying to get unique and true Norhtern Light strains, so i can hopefully create a great Northern Lights. Thats why i only want info from people who actually purchased this strain, as well as bubblegum and blueberry. I wanted to see if these guys took others genetics and possibly improved on their original lines. Not that hard to believe as these original lines arent worked that well.
So you actually ARE potentially interested in purchasing Doggies Nuts seeds. There's a shock.

Even though I shouldn't have, I posted the answer to this question is in the last link in the last post I made. (IE how good DN's Northern Lights is, and who actually has good ones on offer).

You didn't ask, but IMO the way to "create" a great Northern lights is simply to buy a pack of them from someone else who's already done it. But if you need to re-invent the wheel, hey. . .its your life. If, intead, you want to save several years (let alone countless hours and dollars) maybe check out 303 seeds "Aurora Project", where a crew of professional breeders has already done what you've looking for.

I have been on a seed search since '92, a good bit of time, but i dont claim to know everything.
That's plain. You're also not asking the right questions, which can be helpful if you want good answers.

I can understand wht people think their prices are high, but i'm not concerned as much about price as i am im quality genetics. Not saying price has anything to do with quality. But i remember paying $420 for Nevilles Haze when it was first released by greenhouse.
This is neither here nor there, but if money were really no object to you, you'd just buy the damn ceeds and find out for yourself how "good" they are. What's $100 compared to a 21 year old quest, right?

Anyway, the reasons why you shouldn't pay either $200 or $20 for Doggies Nuts ceeds have been outlined above.

So i really dont understand how seedbanks work, maybe you would be cool enough to explain, cause my take is, they have to purchase seeds from a breeder, especially high priced ones. Then those seeds are now the seed banks property? If this is the case, and yes i understand they not going to grow out all their strains, but they must have some following already?
Why would you take info from an illiterate asshole?

How they actually work is irrelevant to the question of the quality of the genetics in question here.

To answer the question, different banks work differently. But ultimately they get the ceeds from the breeders, advertise and sell them, and then, if separate from the breeders, return a fraction of the retail price (usually 50%) to the breeder.

A few probably do buy some inventory outright at wholesale then retail it, but no matter which exact business model they use, its not in any seedbank's interest to stock ceeds that won't move. I also don't think any reputable bank is going to deliberately accept ceeds they know are no good (its not worth the bad reputation and customer ill-will), though all of them protect themselves with the disclaimer that they're not responsible for viability. Still, if stuck with a bad lot they can also keep their inventory for YEARS until it sells out, if necessary, explaining why product from defunct companies (like DN) can sometimes be found for sale years later.

Why take on something like DN? The proprietor of that was well known in the local scene, and he was actually "a" breeder, with a separate company, and apparently somewhat of a BS artist. He wasn't just an anonymous schmuck on the internet with a story, the guy had inventory and history. As to actual risk, there is no way the banks in question were actually paying the breeder half of the asked retail price up front. They were either working on a consignment model (which is most likely), stocking only a small amount of inventory, or paying the breeder a smaller than normal percentage up front.
 

kona gold

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American, born and bred, though I must admit, I do like fish and chips.

The "ceed" thing isn't some bizarre European spelling. I just spell the word that way so as not to trip the board auto-linker, which irks me a bit.

Plus I think its funny.

Back on Doggies Nuts (which actually WAS British, I think), I've posted quite a bit on them before, explaining in great detail why you don't need to grow their genetics to know that they're a rip off, and also why the company can ask $200 for a pack of ceeds and even once in a while find someone willing to pay it. The key is "ask". . .the fact that the company isn't doing business anymore probably explains all you really need to know about its business model and product quality.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/498669-expensive-seeds-2.html#post6838985
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/498669-expensive-seeds-2.html#post6839092

Even though I said I wasn't going to post this earlier, I lied, and here is a link to a quoted grow report on Doggies Nuts Northern lights. Bottom line, it sucked.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/498669-expensive-seeds-6.html#post8817949



Thanks for links!

Did notice that on the only grow report.....that the guy said the Northern Lights looked very nice, crystally golf balls. Then he left for a couple weeks, and had someone else watch and care for them. Dont know why he did that, cause its hard to find good help. They could have turned on a light, or messed up many ways that would have caused them to herm, seeing as he already had fems, so might be more prone to herming.

Just because they went out of business, does not in anyway tell you of the quality of the company or why they went out of business. Are Brothers Grimm genetic crap? And they were high priced as well!!

Sounds like he might have had the real one possibly, by his description
 

hsfkush

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Dont get upset.....i respect ypur opinions always, but dont expect me to just agree with you, or not post questions.
I dont see why i need any reason to post questions on here, thats what a forum is for, so dont act like that. Simply not called for.
Now i will tell you anyway......i have been trying to get unique and true Norhtern Light strains, so i can hopefully create a great Northern Lights. Thats why i only want info from people who actually purchased this strain, as well as bubblegum and blueberry. I wanted to see if these guys took others genetics and possibly improved on their original lines. Not that hard to believe as these original lines arent worked that well.
I have been on a seed search since '92, a good bit of time, but i dont claim to know everything.
I can understand wht people think their prices are high, but i'm not concerned as much about price as i am im quality genetics. Not saying price has anything to do with quality. But i remember paying $420 for Nevilles Haze when it was first released by greenhouse.
So i really dont understand how seedbanks work, maybe you would be cool enough to explain, cause my take is, they have to purchase seeds from a breeder, especially high priced ones. Then those seeds are now the seed banks property? If this is the case, and yes i understand they not going to grow out all their strains, but they must have some following already?

Any answers would be greatly appreciated
If they're out of stock everywhere, then you'll never get them as the company no longer exists. I'd also assume that they stiffed Attitude for money, given that they are defunct and sold the seeds at insanely high prices. Attitude, Sea of Seeds, Herbies etc etc, they would have all had to order and pay for a shipment of seeds. This would have caused Attitude and co. a massive problem financially, as they would have to sell the seeds at a higher price than what they purchased them for, in order to make a profit.

Seed banks pay breeders for seeds and sell at a higher price per seed than what they purchased them for. This is why DN are so insanely priced and why they only have some left in stock while all the others are out of and never in stock.
 

kona gold

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Post whatever you like.
I really don't care if you agree with me or not, especially when you're wrong!


That's rich.
After calling every poster in this thread an illiterate uneducated asshole, now you're explaining what is and isn't "called for"?


So you actually ARE potentially interested in purchasing Doggies Nuts seeds. There's a shock.

Even though I shouldn't have, I posted the answer to this question is in the last link in the last post I made. (IE how good DN's Northern Lights is, and who actually has good ones on offer).

You didn't ask, but IMO the way to "create" a great Northern lights is simply to buy a pack of them from someone else who's already done it. But if you need to re-invent the wheel, hey. . .its your life. If, intead, you want to save several years (let alone countless hours and dollars) maybe check out 303 seeds "Aurora Project", where a crew of professional breeders has already done what you've looking for.


That's plain. You're also not asking the right questions, which can be helpful if you want good answers.


This is neither here nor there, but if money were really no object to you, you'd just buy the damn ceeds and find out for yourself how "good" they are. What's $100 compared to a 21 year old quest, right?

Anyway, the reasons why you shouldn't pay either $200 or $20 for Doggies Nuts ceeds have been outlined above.


Why would you take info from an illiterate asshole?

How they actually work is irrelevant to the question of the quality of the genetics in question here.

To answer the question, different banks work differently. But ultimately they get the ceeds from the breeders, advertise and sell them, and then, if separate from the breeders, return a fraction of the retail price (usually 50%) to the breeder.

A few probably do buy some inventory outright at wholesale then retail it, but no matter which exact business model they use, its not in any seedbank's interest to stock ceeds that won't move. I also don't think any reputable bank is going to deliberately accept ceeds they know are no good (its not worth the bad reputation and customer ill-will), though all of them protect themselves with the disclaimer that they're not responsible for viability. Still, if stuck with a bad lot they can also keep their inventory for YEARS until it sells out, if necessary, explaining why product from defunct companies (like DN) can sometimes be found for sale years later.

Why take on something like DN? The proprietor of that was well known in the local scene, and he was actually "a" breeder, with a separate company, and apparently somewhat of a BS artist. He wasn't just an anonymous schmuck on the internet with a story, the guy had inventory and history. As to actual risk, there is no way the banks in question were actually paying the breeder half of the asked retail price up front. They were either working on a consignment model (which is most likely), stocking only a small amount of inventory, or paying the breeder a smaller than normal percentage up front.


You are a arrogant phony.
You act like you are sooooo knowledgeable....please tell us how long you have been growing for?
I tried to be cool to you, but you somehow think your above that!
Dont try to tell me about Northern Lights or if breeding it to a great strain is reinventing the wheel......you dont know me or my breeding style!!!! And obviously know nothing about the real Northern Lights, cause most people claiming to have the original, are bunk!!!! I've tried them, and only bcsc has only stock that comes close so far!!
I'm glad you can pick apart peoples posts, w/ your little quotes and statements, but you avoid the parts you can answer, and try to condescend on what you can pick apart. You should be in politics!
Now if you have grown their gear or personally know someone that did your response would be credible, but reposting what other say, is not experience, its hear say! Alot of growers on here dont know how to grow or germinate, except what they read, so someone inexperienced might not have success! Most people dont even know how to correctly germinate seeds! They even admit to making huge mistakes, but blame something else like the seeds!

Now the reason i called people uneducated a-holes, was all the responses i had up to that point were negative doggie nutz bashing, and smart ass comments about me for being interested! My original post states that i already know about all the negatives, but wanted people to reply who had experience with these strains. No one who responded had experience, just bashing! Then i reiterated this in my later posts, but still got the same negative bashing......so yea it pisses me off!!!!

I noticed you didnt reply to my reply that just cause their out of business, that has nothing to do with their quaility, like you said, because many great breeders, (Brothers Grimm, rez dog...), but you have no response??
Just like i pointed out that female seeds, when they first came out, were at least double their regular counterpart!! But you probably dont know this cause you most likely werent even growing yet. Also seeds used to be very expensive originally, but now there are soooo many seed"breeders" and availability that the prices dropped!
 

hsfkush

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You are a arrogant phony.
You act like you are sooooo knowledgeable....please tell us how long you have been growing for?
I tried to be cool to you, but you somehow think your above that!
Dont try to tell me about Northern Lights or if breeding it to a great strain is reinventing the wheel......you dont know me or my breeding style!!!! And obviously know nothing about the real Northern Lights, cause most people claiming to have the original, are bunk!!!! I've tried them, and only bcsc has only stock that comes close so far!!
I'm glad you can pick apart peoples posts, w/ your little quotes and statements, but you avoid the parts you can answer, and try to condescend on what you can pick apart. You should be in politics!
Now if you have grown their gear or personally know someone that did your response would be credible, but reposting what other say, is not experience, its hear say! Alot of growers on here dont know how to grow or germinate, except what they read, so someone inexperienced might not have success! Most people dont even know how to correctly germinate seeds! They even admit to making huge mistakes, but blame something else like the seeds!

Now the reason i called people uneducated a-holes, was all the responses i had up to that point were negative doggie nutz bashing, and smart ass comments about me for being interested! My original post states that i already know about all the negatives, but wanted people to reply who had experience with these strains. No one who responded had experience, just bashing! Then i reiterated this in my later posts, but still got the same negative bashing......so yea it pisses me off!!!!

I noticed you didnt reply to my reply that just cause their out of business, that has nothing to do with their quaility, like you said, because many great breeders, (Brothers Grimm, rez dog...), but you have no response??
Just like i pointed out that female seeds, when they first came out, were at least double their regular counterpart!! But you probably dont know this cause you most likely werent even growing yet. Also seeds used to be very expensive originally, but now there are soooo many seed"breeders" and availability that the prices dropped!
Oh the irony, I've never seen anyone be so blatantly arrogant and then have the audacity to call someone else arrogant.
 

sunni

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i asked for you guys to stop and you didnt. heres the results of that. closed.
 
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