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That 5hit said:

When crossing two different varieties, a third variety of plant will be created. If you know what characteristics your looking for in a new strain, you will need several plants to choose from in order to have the best chance of finding all the qualities desired. Sometimes, if the two plants bred had dominant genes for certain characteristics, it will be impossible to get the plant you want from one single cross. In this case, it is necessary to interbreed two plants from the same batch of resultant seeds from the initial cross. In this fashion, recesive genes will become available, and the plant character you desire may only be possible in this manner.
Usually breeding marijuana, it is desirable only to cross two strains that are very different. In this manner, one usually arrives at what is refered to as "hybrid vigor". In other words, often the best strains are created by taking two very different strains and mating them. Less robust plants may be the result of interbreeding, since it opens up recesive gene traits that may lead to reduced potency.

Male choice
I generally employ a simple process of elimination while selecting males. First, any auto-flowering or very early-declared males are eliminated. (Auto-flowering means that male flowers form regardless of light cycle timing.) This is mainly to insure against hermaphroditism or unwanted flowering traits, but also as a means to insure quality. The very early declared males have a tendency to be less desirable in terms of their contributions to the quality of the finished product. (If you are trying to specifically create an early-flowering strain, then your priorities may be different.)
Next, any male plant that grows too tall or too fast is usually eliminated. The reason for this is that most plants which dedicate so much energy to fiber production generally are best for making fiber. The exception to this rule is when an over-productive plant also exhibits a number of the desirable characteristics mentioned later.
The next criteria for elimination is borrowed from Michael Starks' book, marijuana Potency, and involves stem structure. Large, hollow main stems are sought while pith-filled stems are eliminated. Backed by years of observation, I agree that hollow stems do seem to facilitate THC production.
Another consideration is the type of floral clusters that develop. Even on males, clusters which are tight, compact and yet very productive are desired over an airy, loose structure. These observations are most notable in the indoor environment. Outdoors, the differences in stem and floral structures are more difficult to discern The next and perhaps most important characteristic to examine is that of odor, flavor and trichome development. Again, the females will prove themselves by their finished product, but the males are a bit trickier.A few of the "good" aromas which I have found to be associated with both male and female high quality cannabis are: sweet, floral, fruity, berry, wine/brandy, other savory spirits, skunky and spearmint. Some of the "bad" aromas associated with both male and female cannabis are: grassy, chlorophyll (green), celery, parsley, carrots, cinnamon, pepper-mint or wintergreen, gear-oil and gasoline. Some of the aromas that are considered "good" from females but not necessarily from males are: woody, cedar, pine, citrus, tropical fruit, chocolate, vanilla, coffee, garlic and astringent. Large, hollow main stems are sought while pith-filled stems are eliminated. Backed by years of observation

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LUDACRIS said:

or maybe just try and do the grow i am sure it will be a lot faster.
good luck.

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hydrotech364 said:

Well said we got sidetracked by someone

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hydrotech364 said:

Go-Slow,Peace Chris.

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Brick Top said:

It all depends on what traits you wish to pass on to your creation as to what plants of what sex you pick to breed with different plants of a different sex. For example check out the true history of Romulan. It is not at all what most people believe it to be.


Roumours and guesses on the parentage of Romulan abound. Claims that the Romulan is a pure Indica (Afgani/Kush) are mistaken.

While there may be some genetics from Indica (Afgani) varieties, anyone who has tryed the Romulan knows that the mind warping effect is that of plant with strong sativa traits.

`Romulan Joe` and I have had many conversations on the origin of this strain. According to him the original breeders started growing in there backyard and greenhouse in the 50`s, after being introduced to cannabis in the Korean war and bringing home seeds to Victoria.

They struggled to grow and acclimatise these seeds selecting the faster flowering shorter plants from the tall lanky Korean strain.

When the late sixties, early seventies rolled around they began trying Columbian and Mexician seeds and hybredized varieties from these.

In the mid 80`s when the Afgani strains sweept into North America they breifly tried hybredizing with these but eventually when back to selecting the traits they liked in there old genetics.

They worked mainly with Sativa genetics but always selected shorter squatter phenotypes which has made many people think that it is purely Indica strain. But whatever its true geniology is, I`m sure we can all agree on its great taste and high.

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Corwin said:

WOW what a lot of info. Thanks for posting guys. I am currently reading up on "Genetics and Breeding of Cannabis" online at http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/89807-chap-3-genetics-breeding-cannabis-part-1-3-a.html

I should have posted here in the newbie section first. You guys are a wealth of info. I have the opportunity to get a Romulan clone to add to my other Indica varieties. And I wanted to increase my knowledge of selective breeding before just crossing for the hell of it. I will read up and see what makes the most sense. Of course I don't have enough room to do breeding much justice if anything good ever came from it would that would be pure luck but doing away with the rejects could be fun too!

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That 5hit said:

if its your first grow, and you have some great seeds, and really dont want to have to keep buying new seeds, then polinate the whole grow(someone just shitted themself) yes get it over now (this grow),start 12/12 from seed, leaving the males in the whole grow or at least the best looking male,pick the seeds out (about 1 million), smoke good, plan and then start you next grow, this time taking out the males and killing them. its that ez (unless you grow for selling then this will be a waste of 3 months or however long it takes your strain to bud and be pollinated and then produce seeds, from seed)
store seeds in cool dark dry place and they will last tell the end of time

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moash said:

or u could just clone instead of messing up ur whole crop

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That 5hit said:

if its your first grow, and you have some great seeds, and really dont want to have to keep buying new seeds, then polinate the whole grow(someone just shitted themself) yes get it over now (this grow),start 12/12 from seed, leaving the males in the whole grow or at least the best looking male,pick the seeds out (about 1 million), smoke good, plan and then start you next grow, this time taking out the males and killing them. its that ez (unless you grow for selling then this will be a waste of 3 months or however long it takes your strain to bud and be pollinated and then produce seeds, from seed)
store seeds in cool dark dry place and they will last tell the end of time

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Corwin said:

From what I understand this would give a variety of phenos that would include various phenos from the parents as well as the various ones from the F1. Is this correct? Assuming I am pollinating the girls with males of the same strain.

The genetics are very nice as are those of the parents northern lights x shiva. So even if it did revert those would be good seeds to have. Besides I gotta closet fulla clones already.

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That 5hit said:

yes and when you grow one of the new phenos you would make them mothers and go insane with the cloning provided it has traits you want to keep going but i have a feeling you already know what to do

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That 5hit said:

as soon as i can i will +rep you buddy
i knew what you needed to hear when i read your post ,, some members on here r so clueless
most of them dont want to help, they just want to attack, you can spot them ez they r the ones that post just goggle it of look in the faq section (they get mad if you start a thread that the already started) so becarefull what you post on here trust me ..and they will give you an infraction for defending yourself if attacked on here and a lot of these guys are mods and they setup dummy acounts so that they can blend in or they have rats that will run back to them and tell.

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Corwin said:

Yea I try to keep a positive outlook most times. I have found a nice small "Mom and Pop" that i use when I can but they just don't sell my brand o nutes.
lol I never thought about it but the guys from the local could be on here too.

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