Dr Greenthumbs G13

doc111 · Apr 29, 2011

Brick Top said:
OI always love the over dramatization tactic, the claim that someone is a; "hater" if they say something negative about a breeder someone else likes.

I don't hate Dr. Greenthumb. I don't know the guy, so how could I know enough about him to like, dislike, love or hate the guy?

I just do not have any trust in him or respect for him since he ripped me off ... that is all.

Over dramatizing something like that is a tactic to portray the vocal dissatisfied customer in the worst possible way. It is like how in an argument between races that in no way involves race, one will call the other a racist. They over dramatize things to make the other look the worst they possibly can, and hope in doing so that they can then put them on the defensive.

It is the same weak tactic used by those who over dramatize by calling someone like myself a Dr. Greenthumb; "hater" when it is totally untrue.

That is really a weak pathetic tactic to take. It also totally fails to take into consideration or comment on those who see Dr. Greenthumb through rose colored glasses and who refuse to accept his proven past history of selling strains that carry famous names and them turning out to be fakes, like his heritage line was, and now how there is so much evidence that he is attempting the very same scam again with is fake G13.

So many people who had and worked with the real true original pure G13 have spoken out saying it is a virtual impossibility that the strain still exists in it's real true original pure form and people who were credited with having supplied Dr. Greenthumb with the cutting became upset and flat out said they did not, and then there is the ever evolving story coming from Dr. Greenthumb as to how and where he got what he is attempting to pawn off as being real true original pure G13 that it is less likely that Dr. Greenthumb is selling real true original pure G13 than the moon is made of blue cheese.

If the case were a court case Dr. Greenthumb would have been convicted of fraud by now. The Mt. Everest sized pile of evidence against him would be enough for any jury to decide the case against him is far beyond containing any degree of reasonable doubt, especially when his prior record for selling fake strains is added to the case.

As far as I am concerned, I hope he created a FANTASTIC strain that people will LOVE. I just do not like his misrepresentation of it as being something it is not so he can charge more for it and I do not care for people perpetuating his lie and claiming it to be something it is not because the result is others will purchase it only because of what they believe they will be receiving and not because of what they will actually be receiving.

If he were just honest and call it what it actually is, which might very likely be some G13 cross, I would never have said a single word about this or against Dr. Greenthumb. But I know how he is not above claiming some unknown or unrevealed strain to be some famous strain of the past, when it is not really that famous strain of the past. Add all the evidence to it, what those like Shantibaba and Nevil and DoubleD have said and how the original description of the real true original pure G13 is as opposite as night and day from Dr. Greenthumb's description and the descriptions given by those now growing the strain, and the juries verdict would be unanimous, that it is a case of fraud.

Really? If that is all this is about then why continue to waste what must be countless hours by now on this subject. You've stated your opinion as have many others. Are you hanging around to continue to insult and flame those that you disagree with? You may question my honesty, but I think everybody here questions your true motives. If you just dislike the guy because you feel he ripped you off, why do you keep coming back to this thread? You sure you don't have some vested interest here?

Brick Top · Apr 29, 2011

doc111 said:
Really? If that is all this is about then why continue to waste what must be countless hours by now on this subject. You've stated your opinion as have many others.

So have those who have claimed Dr. Greenthumb's G13 to be real. If you go back through the thread I remained out of it for a while but those who claimed it to be real went on and on. Why should I be limited to only tell the facts once or maybe two or three times when you seem to want to grant free reign to all those saying the fake strain is real and seem to want to allow them unlimited numbers of posts on the subject?

After all the topic of the thread is that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is fake, not that it is real, so if anything I am staying more on topic than those you seem to believe should have the right to continue to say what they want to say.

Are you hanging around to continue to insult and flame those that you disagree with?

No. Not at all. My main purpose is to tell the truth and to share facts and evidence that all clearly point to Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 being just that, a fake. If along the way someone insults me and flames me and I return their fire, that is nothing more than an unfortunate but natural part of this sort of communication.

You may question my honesty, but I think everybody here questions your true motives.

Do they really? And for what reason or reasons would that be? Because I was ripped off by Dr. Greenthumb and with all the evidence pointing towards his now attempting to pull the same scam I am trying to warn others to be wary and not be ripped off like I was?

If you just dislike the guy because you feel he ripped you off, why do you keep coming back to this thread?

As I clearly pointed out, others who keep claiming that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is real keep coming back. If they didn't the thread would have died out long ago because there would be no one for those who are positive that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is fake to respond to.

You sure you don't have some vested interest here?

I have to wonder if you have some vested interest here. Just a small handful of messages back you claimed that you had never before seen any messages from me about how Dr. Greenthumb ripped me off, and attempted to infer that possibly what I was saying, and or have said before, was untrue by asking if it instead came from some; "friends," as if when I mention growing friends it is all made up. It was a weak tactic to cast doubt on my credibility. But it backfired on you since I then posted a series of messages, including their message numbers, where I had previously mentioned having been ripped off by Dr. Greenthumb ... and I included how in some cases the message that followed mine was written by you and that in some of those cases your message was a response to mine.

So there went your credibility. You claimed to have never seen my messages about being ripped off by Dr. Greenthumb, but some of them were the message just above yours and in some cases you responded to them. That being the case, how is it possible that until just a small handful of messages ago you never noticed my mentioning how Dr. Greenthumb had ripped me off?

Please explain that one to all of us.

And what is it that keeps you here in a thread where the topic is Dr. Greenthumb's G13 being fake? Why do you seem to want to claim otherwise, and why do you devote so much of your time and efforts to me and to me alone and rather than providing any evidence whatsoever in support of Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 you instead attempt to discredit me and question my motives and claim to have never seen messages that you responded to?

What is your purpose here? What is your goal? What motivation keeps you here? To attack me, to discredit me, to question my motives here and to flame me? Might you be receiving something or another from someone or another for doing that and or for supporting Dr. Greenthumb?

I have told the truth about my experience with Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold seeds. I have posted smoke reports from others who said things as bad or worse about it than I did. I posted mountains of evidence that all point to Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 being fake G13.

That is what I have done. I am so very sorry if you do not like to read the truth or read extremely highly compelling evidence from totally valid highly credible sources if it all adds up to something you would prefer to not being the truth, the facts, but that is precisely what I have done so learn it, live it, love it .. and then move on to something new because no matter how many times you might infer there is some ulterior motive for what I am doing or make veiled, or direct, accusations that I might be receiving something for what I am doing you will never ever be able to alter the fact that I am simply telling the truth and sharing exceptionally compelling evidence from very highly credible sources.

So what is your motivation? Just the chance to attempt to discredit someone you dislike, meaning of course me, or are you receiving some large discount on Dr. Greenthumb seeds, or possibly even free seeds from Dr. Greenthumb for your attempt to hush me up, your attempts to discredit me and your attempts to blow a smokescreen to cover up what I clearly stated in the past, as when only a handful of messages back you attempted to claim it was the first you read of my receiving fake Acapulco Gold seeds from Dr. Greenthumb, when it is clear to one and all here that, that is not or was not at all ever the case?

steampick · Apr 29, 2011

since you Canadians like and want and need to believe you are so special and the best at everything

Uh, Bricktop, you seem to have a rather large anti-Canadian bias, based on this statement. Perhaps this is what is behind your anti-Greenthumb stance? At the very least, I'd say it's as much a reason for you dissing him as it is for farmboi promoting him.

Honestly, I did expect a bit more out of you than the above strident blather.

doc111 · Apr 29, 2011

Brick Top said:
So have those who have claimed Dr. Greenthumb's G13 to be real. If you go back through the thread I remained out of it for a while but those who claimed it to be real went on and on. Why should I be limited to only tell the facts once or maybe two or three times when you seem to want to grant free reign to all those saying the fake strain is real and seem to want to allow them unlimited numbers of posts on the subject?

After all the topic of the thread is that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is fake, not that it is real, so if anything I am staying more on topic than those you seem to believe should have the right to continue to say what they want to say.

No. Not at all. My main purpose is to tell the truth and to share facts and evidence that all clearly point to Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 being just that, a fake. If along the way someone insults me and flames me and I return their fire, that is nothing more than an unfortunate but natural part of this sort of communication.

Do they really? And for what reason or reasons would that be? Because I was ripped off by Dr. Greenthumb and with all the evidence pointing towards his now attempting to pull the same scam I am trying to warn others to be wary and not be ripped off like I was?

As I clearly pointed out, others who keep claiming that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is real keep coming back. If they didn't the thread would have died out long ago because there would be no one for those who are positive that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is fake to respond to.

I have to wonder if you have some vested interest here. Just a small handful of messages back you claimed that you had never before seen any messages from me about how Dr. Greenthumb ripped me off, and attempted to infer that possibly what I was saying, and or have said before, was untrue by asking if it instead came from some; "friends," as if when I mention growing friends it is all made up. It was a weak tactic to cast doubt on my credibility. But it backfired on you since I then posted a series of messages, including their message numbers, where I had previously mentioned having been ripped off by Dr. Greenthumb ... and I included how in some cases the message that followed mine was written by you and that in some of those cases your message was a response to mine.

So there went your credibility. You claimed to have never seen my messages about being ripped off by Dr. Greenthumb, but some of them were the message just above yours and in some cases you responded to them. That being the case, how is it possible that until just a small handful of messages ago you never noticed my mentioning how Dr. Greenthumb had ripped me off?

Please explain that one to all of us.

And what is it that keeps you here in a thread where the topic is Dr. Greenthumb's G13 being fake? Why do you seem to want to claim otherwise, and why do you devote so much of your time and efforts to me and to me alone and rather than providing any evidence whatsoever in support of Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 you instead attempt to discredit me and question my motives and claim to have never seen messages that you responded to?

What is your purpose here? What is your goal? What motivation keeps you here? To attack me, to discredit me, to question my motives here and to flame me? Might you be receiving something or another from someone or another for doing that and or for supporting Dr. Greenthumb?

I have told the truth about my experience with Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold seeds. I have posted smoke reports from others who said things as bad or worse about it than I did. I posted mountains of evidence that all point to Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 being fake G13.

That is what I have done. I am so very sorry if you do not like to read the truth or read extremely highly compelling evidence from totally valid highly credible sources if it all adds up to something you would prefer to not being the truth, the facts, but that is precisely what I have done so learn it, live it, love it .. and then move on to something new because no matter how many times you might infer there is some ulterior motive for what I am doing or make veiled, or direct, accusations that I might be receiving something for what I am doing you will never ever be able to alter the fact that I am simply telling the truth and sharing exceptionally compelling evidence from very highly credible sources.

So what is your motivation? Just the chance to attempt to discredit someone you dislike, meaning of course me, or are you receiving some large discount on Dr. Greenthumb seeds, or possibly even free seeds from Dr. Greenthumb for your attempt to hush me up, your attempts to discredit me and your attempts to blow a smokescreen to cover up what I clearly stated in the past, as when only a handful of messages back you attempted to claim it was the first you read of my receiving fake Acapulco Gold seeds from Dr. Greenthumb, when it is clear to one and all here that, that is not or was not at all ever the case?

Show me one post I've made saying I think free reign should be given to the people you disagree with. As long as you keep posting insulting novels, people will continue posting jabs back at you. Is it that hard to figure out? Where did I say it was the first I read of you receiving fake Acapulco Gold seeds? Nothing backfired on me! I said I mixed up your dislike for Nirvana with your dislike for Dr. Greenthumb! I believe it is YOU who has the learning disability my friend. I have no desire to shut you up Brick. I just wish you'd be more respectful. We all have our opinions and having disagreements is part of life. Being respectful of others even when their opinion differs from ours is part of what sets us apart from the animal kingdom. I've never done any work for any seedbank or breeder although I would welcome the opportunity if the price was right. It's not ok for me to infer that you might have an ulterior motive but you can turn around and do it right back to me. You're a classy dude Brick! bongsmilie

frmrboi · Apr 29, 2011

steampick said:
Honestly, I did expect a bit more out of you than the above strident blather.

I didn't, I knew he'd come at me like a starving pitbull.
(I never even read that bit BTW, I just gloss over each latest essay)

doc111 · Apr 29, 2011

frmrboi said:
I didn't, I knew he'd come at me like a starving pitbull.
(I never even read that bit BTW, I just gloss over each latest essay)

lol! I don't read the "novels" anymore either. It's usually all the same B.S. anyways. :wall:

Brick Top · Apr 29, 2011

steampick said:
since you Canadians like and want and need to believe you are so special and the best at everything

Uh, Bricktop, you seem to have a rather large anti-Canadian bias, based on this statement. Perhaps this is what is behind your anti-Greenthumb stance? At the very least, I'd say it's as much a reason for you dissing him as it is for farmboi promoting him.

Honestly, I did expect a bit more out of you than the above strident blather.

Actually I do not have, as you put it; "a rather large anti-Canadian bias." If for some reason I could no longer live in the U.S. and I could pick any country to live in it would be Canada. I love Canada and for the most part most of the people I have met while there have been very nice people who seemed like they were very good people. But at the same time I have been there a number of times and have often times run into a smugness, an arrogance, a feeling or belief, of superiority over other nations and other people's come from some Canadians and what's his name, frmrboi, said he would support Dr. Greenthumb and made it clear that it was only due to his being Canadian and Dr. Greenthumb being Canadian.

It could not be because of frmrboi, or whatever, being so impressed by Dr. Greenthumb's strains since I posted an exchange between him and someone else where frmrboi, or whatever he calls himself, clearly stated he had; "never" grown any of his gear.

That can only mean it is strictly a Canadian thing just the same as if someone from the U.S. who had never grown some U.S. breeder's gear claimed it to be superior to others of claimed some exceedingly highly questionable strain was what it was claimed to be .. then that would be a case of it being nothing more than an American thing .. one American supporting another American strictly because both are Americans, as frmrboi, or whoever, made it clear that his only reason for supporting Dr. Greenthumb is because both are Canadians.

frmrboi, or whatever, made it clear that he, or she, is one of those who believe that if someone or something is Canadian it is superior, that they or it is unquestionably the best, that they or it are above reproach regardless of a Mt. Everest sized pile of evidence saying that is not the situation, and my, and others, personal experience with Dr. Greenthumb's Acapulco Gold and other strains of his short lived fake heritage line.

Brick Top · Apr 29, 2011

doc111 said:
Show me one post I've made saying I think free reign should be given to the people you disagree with. As long as you keep posting insulting novels, people will continue posting jabs back at you. Is it that hard to figure out? Where did I say it was the first I read of you receiving fake Acapulco Gold seeds? Nothing backfired on me! I said I mixed up your dislike for Nirvana with your dislike for Dr. Greenthumb! I believe it is YOU who has the learning disability my friend. I have no desire to shut you up Brick. I just wish you'd be more respectful. We all have our opinions and having disagreements is part of life. Being respectful of others even when their opinion differs from ours is part of what sets us apart from the animal kingdom. I've never done any work for any seedbank or breeder although I would welcome the opportunity if the price was right. It's not ok for me to infer that you might have an ulterior motive but you can turn around and do it right back to me. You're a classy dude Brick!

Now that is beyond hilarious given the things said to and about me in this thread. Again, while not flat out stating it, you are inferring that others have the right to say whatever they wish to and about me but I do not have an equal right to return their fire.

I did notice that you dodged my question as to your motivation for continuing to remain in this thread. I answered you when you asked me. So why did you dodge my question? Care to answer it now?

And what is it that keeps you here in a thread where the topic is Dr. Greenthumb's G13 being fake? Why do you seem to want to claim otherwise, and why do you devote so much of your time and efforts to me and to me alone and rather than providing any evidence whatsoever in support of Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 you instead attempt to discredit me and question my motives and claim to have never seen messages that you responded to?

What is your purpose here? What is your goal? What motivation keeps you here? To attack me, to discredit me, to question my motives here and to flame me? Might you be receiving something or another from someone or another for doing that and or for supporting Dr. Greenthumb?

I have told the truth about my experience with Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold seeds. I have posted smoke reports from others who said things as bad or worse about it than I did. I posted mountains of evidence that all point to Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 being fake G13.

That is what I have done. I am so very sorry if you do not like to read the truth or read extremely highly compelling evidence from totally valid highly credible sources if it all adds up to something you would prefer to not being the truth, the facts, but that is precisely what I have done so learn it, live it, love it .. and then move on to something new because no matter how many times you might infer there is some ulterior motive for what I am doing or make veiled, or direct, accusations that I might be receiving something for what I am doing you will never ever be able to alter the fact that I am simply telling the truth and sharing exceptionally compelling evidence from very highly credible sources.

So what is your motivation? Just the chance to attempt to discredit someone you dislike, meaning of course me, or are you receiving some large discount on Dr. Greenthumb seeds, or possibly even free seeds from Dr. Greenthumb for your attempt to hush me up, your attempts to discredit me and your attempts to blow a smokescreen to cover up what I clearly stated in the past, as when only a handful of messages back you attempted to claim it was the first you read of my receiving fake Acapulco Gold seeds from Dr. Greenthumb, when it is clear to one and all here that, that is not or was not at all ever the case?

doc111 · Apr 29, 2011

Brick Top said:
Now that is beyond hilarious given the things said to and about me in this thread. Again, while not flat out stating it, you are inferring that others have the right to say whatever they wish to and about me but I do not have an equal right to return their fire.

I did notice that you dodged my question as to your motivation for continuing to remain in this thread. I answered you when you asked me. So why did you dodge my question? Care to answer it now?

I'll stop when you stop. Deal? bongsmilie

Brick Top · Apr 29, 2011

doc111 said:
lol! I don't read the "novels" anymore either. It's usually all the same B.S. anyways.

I could say the exact same thing about what you write, other of course than the; "novels" part. Your messages are more like comic books or beginners reading books ... you know, very short using simple short words and are pure fantasy.

frmrboi · Apr 29, 2011

Brick Top said:
frmrboi, said he would support Dr. Greenthumb and made it clear that it was only due to his being Canadian and Dr. Greenthumb being Canadian. .

no that's incorrect I said I read all the threads with his name in them to see what others opinion is on the strains, based on the OVERWHELMING positive response I have viewed I like to see people get an idea of what he has to offer if they are looking for something similar. Mostly the "Auto" Iranian
Because his threads are so popular and in my face everyday I find it easy to add my $.02.
I see you are having trouble remembering my name, that's an early symptom of dementia you know, or a concussion (like the one you received when your cat tried to kill you) Might want to get that checked out.

doc111 · Apr 29, 2011

Brick Top said:
I could say the exact same thing about what you write, other of course than the; "novels" part. Your messages are more like comic books or beginners reading books ... you know, very short using simple short words and are pure fantasy.

That's because you are so much smarter than me Brick Top, I thought you knew that. :dunce:

Brick Top · Apr 29, 2011

doc111 said:
I'll stop when you stop. Deal?

So the deal are offering is this ...... you continue to dodge my question as to your true motivation for remaining here and if I stop telling the truth and sharing facts in, return you will stop trolling me?

That doesn't sound at all like a very equitable offer to me. With it you get to avoid admitting something you obviously do not want to admit, or else you would have by now and I stop telling the truth and providing evidence about Dr. Greenthumb resulting in all his admirers who are covering for him to continue to spread their pro-Dr. Greenthumb propaganda which would result in fewer people learning the facts and evidence and more being propagandized and fooled into being ripped off.

How BIG OF A BONUS from Dr. Greenthumb WILL YOU RECEIVE if I were to take you up on your highly inequitable offer?

For now I will have to ponder on your offer, and I will because frankly I am more than bored by this. But I might not be ready to stop telling the truth and presenting credible evidence yet so you might want to pass on to Dr. Greenthumb that if he wants to PM me and see if he can buy me off the way he has evidently bought you possibly some accord can be reached.

Brick Top · Apr 29, 2011

Originally Posted by Brick Top
I could say the exact same thing about what you write, other of course than the; "novels" part. Your messages are more like comic books or beginners reading books ... you know, very short using simple short words and are pure fantasy.

doc111 said:
That's because you are so much smarter than me Brick Top, I though you knew that.

I do know that; "though" you just supplied me with additional proof in case for some reason the 'thought' had not as yet hit me.

By the way .... that was a GREAT choice on your part to use the :dunce:

after saying you; "though" I knew I am smarter than you.

Doobius1 · Apr 29, 2011

With all the time wasted on this and your stupid fucking novels, you could've done some overtime at the donut shop and bought your own seeds instead of now trying to get the doc to send you free seeds just to shut up. What a dick you are Brick Top. Go away.

steampick · Apr 29, 2011

I have been there a number of times and have often times run into a smugness, an arrogance, a feeling or belief, of superiority over other nations

Errrr, this is coming from an American? pot...kettle...black.

doc111 · Apr 29, 2011

Brick Top said:
I do know that; "though" you just supplied me with additional proof in case for some reason the 'thought' had not as yet hit me.

By the way .... that was a GREAT choice on your part to use the after saying you; "though" I knew I am smarter than you.

Are you so lacking in ammunition that you must be reduced to picking apart my spelling? It wasn't even my spelling that was the problem, it was a fucking typo! I guess that makes me stupid though. ;-)

frmrboi · Apr 29, 2011

steampick said:
I have been there a number of times and have often times run into a smugness, an arrogance, a feeling or belief, of superiority over other nations.

you must of been in Toronto, bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah !!!

OGMan · Apr 29, 2011

Brick Top said:
I do know that; "though" you just supplied me with additional proof in case for some reason the 'thought' had not as yet hit me.

By the way .... that was a GREAT choice on your part to use the after saying you; "though" I knew I am smarter than you.

Bricktop's a bit of a nutter

Biggybuds · Apr 29, 2011

OGMan said:
Bricktop's a bit of a nutter

a bit of a nutter!!! that's like saying mount everest is a bit of a climb!!! lol

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