Dr.Kamermans Charged and Arrested...

i happen to know 2 guys that got their signature from him and they dont have any afflictions and they certainly didnt scam him!
so dont talk about what you dont really know!
a doc that signs 10 times more than any other doc isnt neccessarily compassionate,,,just cause he signed your mmar....
hes also in it for the money pal!
 
And I also happen to know several people who have tried many avenues to obtain their MMAR and had serious affliction, one being myself, so don't even try to sit there and say that JUST because you obtained your MMAR card elsewhere that "Anyone can get a card if they have a legitimate reason" because that's flat out BS, have you checked my link, have you SEEN my affliction? Maybe you shouldn't talk about what YOU don't know.
 

  • And I also happen to know several people who have tried many avenues to obtain their MMAR and had serious affliction, one being myself, so don't even try to sit there and say that JUST because you obtained your MMAR card elsewhere that "Anyone can get a card if they have a legitimate reason

    i did not say that at all!it was very hard for me to get mine!its not an easy task,im saying that the doc isnt the clean guy yoiu thought he was and he had other reasons for signing all those papers.
    read my posts properly!you are now putting words in my mouth,if you read my post you will see that i was actually saying that its hard to get your mmar.
    im also not saying anything bad about people in need,im on there side,im just saying that the doc had other intentions other than getting people medicine..one being money.
    dont know your affliction and dont care.
    i think you think that im caling you a fraud and that is sooo not the case.it solidifies my point even more because it is hard to get your mmar card and assholes that abuse the system just make it harder...thats what im trying to say man...nothing more...​

 
Ok, in that respect, I would agree, but before I make any claims as to the guilt of this man, I'm going to wait for the end result, either way, whatever his intentions are, he did the job that thousands of doctors across Canada refused to do, and he should be awarded for allowing thousands of people to access the program on a legitimate basis, besides the point, my personal dealing with him was very professional, check out the news story about the other doctor who was signing MMAR forms before you pass judgment on this individual. The other doctor claimed to news cameras that he goes over the patient thoroughly to ensure requirements are met to qualify, but upon a undercover "Patient" meeting, someone from the news crew who actually had a legitimate ailment and made an appointment paying $1000, who then met this Doctor, who didn't even go over the specialists report to verify the condition, and just signed off on the number of units per day the guy wanted, within 20 minutes walked out with his document signed.

My dealing with Dr.Kamermans is as follows;

Contact the office to set up a skype meeting, I had to mail all the documents pertaining to my injury from my surgeon/specialist to validate my condition, upon entering the skype session, I was asked to verify my name and address, again, for verification purposes, then the actual session began, I was asked detailed questions related to why I use cannabis, what effects it has on my condition, if I intended to produce my own because generally speaking, home produced cannabis is far safer than street purchased cannabis, he then asked me how much I currently consume and in what methods, and prescribed my amount based on the figures I quoted. He considered my tolerance, methods of administration, and additional symptoms I treat with cannabis as well.

Bottom line, is I can walk in to a doctors office, and not even get asked a single question, and walk out with a prescription for morphine, yet this doctor asked me a plethora of questions, and HE's getting investigated... This is the logic I use when determining someones guilt, I don't just look at what he's done, I look at what everyone in that line of work does... only then do you find the TRUE criminals, and this man in my eyes is the smallest offender of his profession.
 
i just call em like i see em!yes he helped a lot of deserving people,yes he made lots of money,thats all the cops see.
i dont have a problem with the guy,but if you mess the bed.....
 
Let me explain my experience,

Last january i met DR K in hamilton to see if i qualified for a MMAR exemption, his wife and i believe daughter (not 100% about daughter but we joked about same birth date) They helped out beyond my expectations with filling out paper work. They then ask you to take your weight and blood pressure while DR K is taking patients behind a curtain. After being called i introduced myself and he did the same, we began to talk about my severe pain and how cannabis helped me. The entire time he was totally compassionate and didnt make it feel awkward as i thought it would be, he prescribed my amount, shook my hand, gave me a quick shoulder hug and said "Friend, your going to be taken care of now and i hope you feel safe taking the only medication that makes you feel human" i go onto say "i really appreciate what your doing for me and everyone else, your really a great doctor and i can tell you care" , he smiled and said "enjoy your day brother". . . all in all he is the only doctor who gives a shit about people and i dont think they should crucify him Health Canada should hire the damn guy!
 
chongsbuddy said:
hey man,im not saying he didnt help legit patients,im saying he helped them plus people that didnt deserve it..
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And I'm saying you're jumping to conclusions as he hasn't been found guilty and the Harper government has shown it is completely unethical and immoral and willing to do just about whatever it takes to make a political point.

More over, this case is going to further push doctors out of the business of prescribing it. Most doctors want no involvement in it because they know little to nothing about it and most research is done on animals. They understand it's benefit for certain kinds of things but usually will prescribe what they know better, especially given the difficulty in ensuring a stable supply.

The entire program is a sick joke. Heath Canada has no business having my files centralized in some location just because. Other patients are not subject to such scrutiny, and many of them are prescribed drugs that cause far more social issues.

Beyond this, many doctors do not accept drug company kick backs but they are certainly bathed in propaganda. Some doctors are paid a salary by the Dept of Health, some are fee for service. All of them can be paid for signing MMAR forms. This is a fact. It's a type of appointment (forms, regular visit) and it isn't one they can bill a lot for. 250 seems a bit much but it's not unreasonable if he's operating outside the system and is exposing himself to significant liability.

It's the lawyer side that concerns me. I doubt he didn't know, and I'm sure he knew after the report came out so we'll see what happened since then (it will come out in court). That lawyer is a questionable guy. That's for sure.

I think Kammerman's charges too much but it's not a shockingly obscene amount like the lawyer was charging. Unless of course he was taking a cut from the lawyer too. We'll see.

I know at least one doctor very well (specialist, not cancer) who will sign these forms for people who need it. If you're on pain meds, he'll sign. If you have stomach issues, he'll sign. He signed for a guy who wants to DG for a bunch of methadone patients to attempt to get them off. He never charged them for it and got paid by his province because it's just a regular appointment (with forms) and there is no need to bill it as otherwise.

The CMA boards released letters to doctors suggesting they not prescribe. It wasn't any Dept of Health board. The CMA has influence, no question, but they aren't a government body.

Seems there is a lot of confusion about these issues, although please feel free to correct me wherever I am wrong, just hit me up with some links. I am well connected to the medical community so I would need to see them as I am very up on the doctors perspective on this.
 
chongsbuddy said:
if he got scammed he would have the paperwork to prove it,because the only way to scam would be to forge specialist reports that were given to him and they are extremely easily traced back..

thats like a crackhead going to a doc.."i need 1000 perks my head hurts!seriously!"
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Those specialist reports aren't easy to forge, but I wouldn't say they are difficult either. Especially if you have a friend who works in a specialists office who maybe has access to a template. They don't usually call the specialist in question unless there are questions.
 
chongsbuddy said:
if you dont have an affliction that can legally be helped by marijuana then dont fuck all us legal guys with genuine afflictions just so you can have your weed,its disguisting!
look,its obvious this guy did something wrong,are they padding charges?of course,thats wht cops do!but the guy abviously fucked up and it will be used as ammo to erradicate the mmar program.when will people fucking stop being so goddamned selfish?im soo pissed!this is what we humans do fuck evrythuing for everyone else that deserves this program!fucking tools.
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That attitude is why there is a problem in our society with the use of herbs, get of your high horse; what makes your need any more important than anothers'.

OGEvilgenius said:
And I'm saying you're jumping to conclusions as he hasn't been found guilty and the Harper government has shown it is completely unethical and immoral and willing to do just about whatever it takes to make a political point.

More over, this case is going to further push doctors out of the business of prescribing it. Most doctors want no involvement in it because they know little to nothing about it and most research is done on animals. They understand it's benefit for certain kinds of things but usually will prescribe what they know better, especially given the difficulty in ensuring a stable supply.

The entire program is a sick joke. Heath Canada has no business having my files centralized in some location just because. Other patients are not subject to such scrutiny, and many of them are prescribed drugs that cause far more social issues.

Beyond this, many doctors do not accept drug company kick backs but they are certainly bathed in propaganda. Some doctors are paid a salary by the Dept of Health, some are fee for service. All of them can be paid for signing MMAR forms. This is a fact. It's a type of appointment (forms, regular visit) and it isn't one they can bill a lot for. 250 seems a bit much but it's not unreasonable if he's operating outside the system and is exposing himself to significant liability.

It's the lawyer side that concerns me. I doubt he didn't know, and I'm sure he knew after the report came out so we'll see what happened since then (it will come out in court). That lawyer is a questionable guy. That's for sure.

I think Kammerman's charges too much but it's not a shockingly obscene amount like the lawyer was charging. Unless of course he was taking a cut from the lawyer too. We'll see.

I know at least one doctor very well (specialist, not cancer) who will sign these forms for people who need it. If you're on pain meds, he'll sign. If you have stomach issues, he'll sign. He signed for a guy who wants to DG for a bunch of methadone patients to attempt to get them off. He never charged them for it and got paid by his province because it's just a regular appointment (with forms) and there is no need to bill it as otherwise.

The CMA boards released letters to doctors suggesting they not prescribe. It wasn't any Dept of Health board. The CMA has influence, no question, but they aren't a government body.

Seems there is a lot of confusion about these issues, although please feel free to correct me wherever I am wrong, just hit me up with some links. I am well connected to the medical community so I would need to see them as I am very up on the doctors perspective on this.
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There are lot's of people who are "LEGAL" (for whatever thats's worth) and have no ideas of the political dragnet they may be ensnared by in the coming future.

Dr. K charged $100.00 - $250.00 to perform an assesment and fill out paper work, I remember living in Ontario and having to pay $25.00 for a doctors' note because I was ill for a day of school/work.

Dr K should have set up a network of doctors' to share the workload ;)

regards,
 
OGEvilgenius said:
And I'm saying you're jumping to conclusions as he hasn't been found guilty and the Harper government has shown it is completely unethical and immoral and willing to do just about whatever it takes to make a political point.

More over, this case is going to further push doctors out of the business of prescribing it. Most doctors want no involvement in it because they know little to nothing about it and most research is done on animals. They understand it's benefit for certain kinds of things but usually will prescribe what they know better, especially given the difficulty in ensuring a stable supply.

The entire program is a sick joke. Heath Canada has no business having my files centralized in some location just because. Other patients are not subject to such scrutiny, and many of them are prescribed drugs that cause far more social issues.

Beyond this, many doctors do not accept drug company kick backs but they are certainly bathed in propaganda. Some doctors are paid a salary by the Dept of Health, some are fee for service. All of them can be paid for signing MMAR forms. This is a fact. It's a type of appointment (forms, regular visit) and it isn't one they can bill a lot for. 250 seems a bit much but it's not unreasonable if he's operating outside the system and is exposing himself to significant liability.

It's the lawyer side that concerns me. I doubt he didn't know, and I'm sure he knew after the report came out so we'll see what happened since then (it will come out in court). That lawyer is a questionable guy. That's for sure.

I think Kammerman's charges too much but it's not a shockingly obscene amount like the lawyer was charging. Unless of course he was taking a cut from the lawyer too. We'll see.

I know at least one doctor very well (specialist, not cancer) who will sign these forms for people who need it. If you're on pain meds, he'll sign. If you have stomach issues, he'll sign. He signed for a guy who wants to DG for a bunch of methadone patients to attempt to get them off. He never charged them for it and got paid by his province because it's just a regular appointment (with forms) and there is no need to bill it as otherwise.

The CMA boards released letters to doctors suggesting they not prescribe. It wasn't any Dept of Health board. The CMA has influence, no question, but they aren't a government body.

Seems there is a lot of confusion about these issues, although please feel free to correct me wherever I am wrong, just hit me up with some links. I am well connected to the medical community so I would need to see them as I am very up on the doctors perspective on this.
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He man can you please PM me the name and info for that specialist. Your PM box is full. thanks
 
I'm not sure they would be comfortable with me handing that information out. I will say that I have heard that the folks at the donoharmclinic are legit, in at least so far as they will sign. Can't say I agree with their fees, but there aren't that many options. Sorry my box was full.

There are a few docs willing to at least send you to some specialists around vancouver island who aren't afraid to prescribe, but again I think giving that information out is a choice that the doctor should make. If they aren't advertising I am not going to do it for them.

I hope you all respect this as I do understand how it is difficult to find someone to sign.
 
I apologize for taking your statement "I know at least one doctor very well (specialist, not cancer) who will sign these forms for people who need it. If you're on pain meds, he'll sign. If you have stomach issues, he'll sign. He signed for a guy who wants to DG for a bunch of methadone patients to attempt to get them off. He never charged them for it and got paid by his province because it's just a regular appointment (with forms) and there is no need to bill it as otherwise." to mean that you had permission to give out his info.
 
OGEvilgenius said:
I'm not sure they would be comfortable with me handing that information out. I will say that I have heard that the folks at the donoharmclinic are legit, in at least so far as they will sign. Can't say I agree with their fees, but there aren't that many options. Sorry my box was full.

There are a few docs willing to at least send you to some specialists around vancouver island who aren't afraid to prescribe, but again I think giving that information out is a choice that the doctor should make. If they aren't advertising I am not going to do it for them.

I hope you all respect this as I do understand how it is difficult to find someone to sign.
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If everyone was as smart as you about giving out that kind of info randomly over the net, Kammermans probably wouldn't be in his current situation.
 
theQuetzalcoatl said:
I apologize for taking your statement "I know at least one doctor very well (specialist, not cancer) who will sign these forms for people who need it. If you're on pain meds, he'll sign. If you have stomach issues, he'll sign. He signed for a guy who wants to DG for a bunch of methadone patients to attempt to get them off. He never charged them for it and got paid by his province because it's just a regular appointment (with forms) and there is no need to bill it as otherwise." to mean that you had permission to give out his info.
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Did not mean to give a false impression. He's a very specialized guy that most people would never see anyway unless you had a real specific set of issues.

My larger point was that there are docs out there who will sign and not charge an arm and a leg. AFAIK there is a guy running a pain clinic in Duncan BC who came back into medicine explicitly to sign these forms but I forget his name. I also don't know him well or if or what he charges.
 
lol thanks for the reply. I debated getting signed by drkammermans before he got busted. Seen it coming and didn't want my name sectioned out like a vilain. MJ smokers have great predictions. I am on a 7 yr waiting list for the dr that signed me years ago. Every 7yrs i have a license. It is free tho
 
My old family doctor is still trying to get me to accept his prescriptions for perks and oxys. But he wouldn't sign for my MMAR. I have a long list of issues both with pain and psychological. I'm not sure what I would have done without changing doctors. I seriously wish there were more Doctors around that weren't pill pushers because of the money they make from pharma!!!! Praise all those that are compassionate to herbal remedies rather than chemical mixtures with nasty adverse side-effects... Peace!!
 
Shaggn said:
My old family doctor is still trying to get me to accept his prescriptions for perks and oxys. But he wouldn't sign for my MMAR. I have a long list of issues both with pain and psychological. I'm not sure what I would have done without changing doctors. I seriously wish there were more Doctors around that weren't pill pushers because of the money they make from pharma!!!! Praise all those that are compassionate to herbal remedies rather than chemical mixtures with nasty adverse side-effects... Peace!!
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agree..........I know a few totally legitimate people who are having a hard time trying to get a dr signature
 
Shaggn said:
My old family doctor is still trying to get me to accept his prescriptions for perks and oxys. But he wouldn't sign for my MMAR. I have a long list of issues both with pain and psychological. I'm not sure what I would have done without changing doctors. I seriously wish there were more Doctors around that weren't pill pushers because of the money they make from pharma!!!! Praise all those that are compassionate to herbal remedies rather than chemical mixtures with nasty adverse side-effects... Peace!!
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Well said. Even acetaminophen ODs kill hundreds each year, yet no one has ever died from a MJ OD.
 
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