drug test help please i'm fat!.

WolfieLee

WolfieLee

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cannabineer said:
You missed my point entirely. You drank bleach and decided that it was the drinking of bleach that let you piss clean. I do not think that is correct, and your experimental design was porous. I regret that you took that personally, as well as my attempts to correct your erratic thinking. Example: your casual invocation of oxidation. I have forgotten more about oxidation, in vivo and otherwise, than you can realistically hope to study. But the bottom line is "no", chemically what you suggest isn't going to happen. I could explain, but I now see that Matthew 7:6 applies.

You should know that I treated you more kindly than the run-of-the-mill RIU idiot, until you stubbornly insisted on being one. I will limit my name-calling to something descriptive and proven: you are an idiot. You will remain one as long as you do idiocy.

Ingesting bleach will not help anyone test clean. It will injure the upper GI tract. Swallowing Q-tip ends is an invitation to serious intestinal woes. Finally, reading such uncorrelated feelings dressed up as fact is injurious to the reader's critical-thinking skills. Just say No, fellow RIUnians.
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O.K. dude, I truly apologize for every word. If I would have read the previous quote after asking you why it was uninformative, I would have simply said that it was not an experiment it was a very stupid and extremely(!!) desperate act based on something I had myself dismissed decades earlier, which I had thought that I had already made perfectly clear... and it still gets me neither you or anyone else seems to acknowlede any of that when responding, but, so be it.

But, instead I got the following quote, and yes that got me testy, but I actually thought you still might answer it for real as you did above.... and just let that Einstien quote and all the other flying dung after waiting to see if you would answer all get to me and that was dead wrong. And I promise I am not saying you are wrong, but I would truly like to know what could possibly have happened since I took no other measures to cover my tracks, and still passed the test. And the one I dripped bleach into the cup while urinating, that came up clean as well with no other measures taken. In both cases, I was most definately hot. Both of those accounts are true and it is kind of hard for me to believe it was not the bleach. And the bowel blockage thing prompted me to have sunni remove that post...

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WolfieLee

WolfieLee

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And to all who are still blowing it out of proportion and taking things of it out of context....fine, no problem, you all win.... Wolfie's tail is firmly tucked between his legs.... And yeah, some of it has still got me chuckling. Sure I can laugh at myself, no problem.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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WolfieLee said:
O.K. dude, I truly apologize for every word. If I would have read the previous quote after asking you why it was uninformative, I would have simply said that it was not an experiment it was a very stupid and extremely(!!) desperate act based on something I had myself dismissed decades earlier, which I had thought that I had already made perfectly clear... and it still gets me neither you or anyone else seems to acknowlede any of that when responding, but, so be it.

But, instead I got the following quote, and yes that got me testy, but I actually thought you still might answer it for real as you did above.... and just let that Einstien quote and all the other flying dung after waiting to see if you would answer all get to me and that was dead wrong. And I promise I am not saying you are wrong, but I would truly like to know what could possibly have happened since I took no other measures to cover my tracks, and still passed the test. And the one I dripped bleach into the cup while urinating, that came up clean as well with no other measures taken. In both cases, I was most definately hot. Both of those accounts are true and it is kind of hard for me to believe it was not the bleach. And the bowel blockage thing prompted me to have sunni remove that post...
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heh, don't bring a knife to a gunfight my man
@cannabineer is a pretty fart smellow..
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curious2garden

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WolfieLee said:
.......snip...........And I promise I am not saying you are wrong, but I would truly like to know what could possibly have happened since I took no other measures to cover my tracks, and still passed the test. And the one I dripped bleach into the cup while urinating, that came up clean as well with no other measures taken. In both cases, I was most definately hot. Both of those accounts are true and it is kind of hard for me to believe it was not the bleach. And the bowel blockage thing prompted me to have sunni remove that post...
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Ok first correlation does not prove causation.

Bleach is only mildly toxic, most people drink a certain percentage of sodium hypochlorite in our drinking water daily, assuming you don't drink bottled water or chloramine disinfected water. Since this is true why would anyone, who drinks chlorine disinfected water, ever test positive for THC if what you suggest is true?

Putting drops directly in the cup causes the strips not to turn color neither the control OR the indicator so you should not have gotten away with that.
hth
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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WolfieLee said:
O.K. dude, I truly apologize for every word. If I would have read the previous quote after asking you why it was uninformative, I would have simply said that it was not an experiment it was a very stupid and extremely(!!) desperate act based on something I had myself dismissed decades earlier, which I had thought that I had already made perfectly clear... and it still gets me neither you or anyone else seems to acknowlede any of that when responding, but, so be it.
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Gracious, with a side of passive aggression
But, instead I got the following quote, and yes that got me testy, but I actually thought you still might answer it for real as you did above.... and just let that Einstien quote and all the other flying dung after waiting to see if you would answer all get to me and that was dead wrong. And I promise I am not saying you are wrong, but I would truly like to know what could possibly have happened since I took no other measures to cover my tracks, and still passed the test.
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This is where I can only answer "oh so many things". Annie covered a few already. There are others ... what you ate, what else came along with the bleach and Q-tips, ...
I'll speak specifically to oxidation. The body is made of oxidizable materials, and drinking bleach will locally oxidize your GI tract but never make it through to your urinary tract. And it surely won't digest a drug substance in preference to the urea, peptides and other wonderful reducing agents in the average load of urine.
And the one I dripped bleach into the cup while urinating, that came up clean as well with no other measures taken. In both cases, I was most definately hot. Both of those accounts are true and it is kind of hard for me to believe it was not the bleach. And the bowel blockage thing prompted me to have sunni remove that post...
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As Annie and I have both suggested to you, correlation (things happening together) do not signify causation (A caused B). Even so, we humans love to believe it does. Thus astrology and "earthquake weather".

It isn't easy to sort causative relations out from the noise of daily experience. However, it is necessary if we are not to fall prey to people trying to monetize a correlation mislabeled as causal. Like the fine folks who sell those pretty bottles of Gatorade for $10 and celebrate both the Placebo Effect and the tendency we have then to credit the wished-for action with the happy result.

I do not know why you tested clean. However my knowledge of chemistry militates against believing the ingested bleach ... or even bleach dripped into a urine sample ... will take a negative sample and make it test positive.

However the thought of the bleach wiping out the dye used to say "positive" amuses me.
 
greg nr

greg nr

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OK, just a question, but the process I've seen is one of two approaches. First, a dip test. If you fail, they send it out for a lab reading. The lab reports ppm within a range.

The other is the lab test directly where they again report a ppm of THC between a high and low.

Now the question. What happens if you spike your test with pure THC crystals?

They have to report the lab count. If it is above the upper limit by 100x, it has to be assumed to be an invalid test.

If you know you will fail, don't just go in hot, make it nuclear. No lab can defend a test so hot they can't measure it. You have to get a do over, if you can get them to give you the number they tested to.

I know the labs I've worked in would just report no result with a test so out of bounds they couldn't measure it.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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greg nr said:
OK, just a question, but the process I've seen is one of two approaches. First, a dip test. If you fail, they send it out for a lab reading. The lab reports ppm within a range.

The other is the lab test directly where they again report a ppm of THC between a high and low.

Now the question. What happens if you spike your test with pure THC crystals?

They have to report the lab count. If it is above the upper limit by 100x, it has to be assumed to be an invalid test.

If you know you will fail, don't just go in hot, make it nuclear. No lab can defend a test so hot they can't measure it. You have to get a do over, if you can get them to give you the number they tested to.

I know the labs I've worked in would just report no result with a test so out of bounds they couldn't measure it.
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Protip: pure THC is not crystalline. The metabolite that gets tested is, but obtaining a sample ... good luck. You'd either need Snoop's pee and a biochem lab, or a regular chem lab and hands like a god ... tough preparation.

But I doubt your idea of spiking the "cock"tail will work. If they keep part of the sample, they'll be able to tell that it was messed with, especially if the metabolite was prepared synthetically. The impurities will tell the tale. It would most likely be read Fail, and I think this thread is about how to do the other thing, not fail.
 
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