Dwc/h2o2??

firsttimeARE said:

H2O2 is a good sterilizer and an easy solution, zymes of any kind should not be used and you must use it 3-4 days regularly
Beneficials are also good at populating good to fight bad, which is a harder solution and stains roots from the EWC if making a tea.

I've used them both, started off with h2o2 and moved to benes, now I use nothing. Out of all 3 processes the only time I came across issues was with h2o2. But I realize that was because of adding enzymes and not applying the h2o2 religiously.

My roots are whiter using nothing, but just as healthy as benes.

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No point adding h2o2 and enzymes. h2o2 will denature the enzymes.

Clown Baby said:

I wasnt referring to you specifically. H2O2 works fine. It was more of a general reference that I was making.

Bleach is not "toxic to plants no matter how you use it" As with everything else, there is a threshold.

As far as the "you get what you pay for" reference. That's exactly what AN and H&G want you to think. They sell so many bullshit products simply because that's the mentality of people with more money than sense. Bud blood sells for almost $300/lb Thats a fucking joke. Pot is not a magical plant with special requirements, despite what nutrient manufacturers want you to think.

As far as "trusting pot grower practices" more than traditional horticultural methods, you lost me. "Paper towel method" is a pot grower method and handling the tap root is a retarded thing to do.

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Please dont put me in that category, I know all about bullshit marketing practices and lies being told to rip off consumers. Anyone with a basic understanding of chemistry knows that for example( N) on the periodic table of elements is no different no matter who it comes from.( N) from AN, H&G, GH, is all( N) or they would all be categorized as different elements on the charts..lol, although the (N) might come from different sources some more pure then others. The end point is (N) is (N) no matter who you buy it from.

As far a pot growers, I find the good ones do practices good methods and are the most dedicated gardeners to be found, As well as being innovators in the field of horticulture. They spend far more time growing,experimenting,and testing new or expanding on old practices then any other group.Especially when it comes to hydroponics.

OK lets agree to disagree on the bleach issue. But I wont accept that bleach is better then H2O2. I can only suggest that everyone look at what each breaks down into and judge for themselves.
Pot is not a magic plant,but does a have a propensity to absorb toxins and heavy metals,hemp has been used as a vehicle to remove these things from toxic soils. I wish I had a link to show evidence but I'm sure it would be easily researched online.

Why do you think bleach is more toxic than H202? You pointed out earlier that it breaks down into table salt. I think the only benefit of H202 over bleach is that it increases DO. One nice benefit of using bleach is that you can measure the ppm using an $8 pool testing kit from the h/w store. Very tough to measure H202.

they both work... i just prefer bleach because its more cost effective and chlorine has longer residual action than h202, which breaks down into water and oxygen much faster.

somebody1701 said:

Why do you think bleach is more toxic than H202? You pointed out earlier that it breaks down into table salt. I think the only benefit of H202 over bleach is that it increases DO. One nice benefit of using bleach is that you can measure the ppm using an $8 pool testing kit from the h/w store. Very tough to measure H202.

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Well I guess because table salt is used as an herbicide in organic applications. You dont have to measure the ppm or EC of h2o2 because it contains no salts. Just use 5ml/gal @29% or 3ml/gal @ 50%. thats your measurement.Apply everyday or every other day as needed.

People have mixed feelings about this topic thats why it always comes up.. some people will have problems even with h2o2 and beenies may be your only option. Always try a clean system with h2o2 before you even touch beenies and see how it works. A dwc system without a beneficial additive is always possible.

ive also had good results using bleach.. just my 2 pennies

i used great white in my ebb buckets for a few rounds and i had at least one plant per crop damaged by root rot everytime. i now use nothing until i see and infection when i do i use h2o2 and it has seemed to work so far. i have not used bennies for at least two years. (not including my soil ma's or my soil personal plants.

Am I wrong here or are the different opinions based on organic versus non organic systems. I am getting the wrong info from my hydro store as he said I should be running zymes through my units only to find out not a good thing for non-organics. Is this a correct assumption.

waterdawg said:

Am I wrong here or are the different opinions based on organic versus non organic systems. I am getting the wrong info from my hydro store as he said I should be running zymes through my units only to find out not a good thing for non-organics. Is this a correct assumption.

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You can run bennies,or you can go sterile with nonorganic hydro nutes.
I use both bleach,and H2O2 alternately.The thing with bleach is that it can easily be overdosed,and kill your plant.
I use 1-2 drops of bleach per gal as regular maintenance.I am talking pipette drops,not drops using the cap.

Not a clue what is better, but I dont like the ideal of more salt in my res. and as mountain says it does break down into salt but in saying that I do remember grampa pouring clorox down the well every spring at the cottage !!!!! And then we drank it LOL. Oh and BTW mountain, the grow shop here (only one!!) sells a gallon of H2O2 for $35.00!!! Can the stuff be shipped I wonder as I will check online, after I run out of the expensive stuff!!!

waterdawg said:

Not a clue what is better, but I dont like the ideal of more salt in my res. and as mountain says it does break down into salt but in saying that I do remember grampa pouring clorox down the well every spring at the cottage !!!!! And then we drank it LOL. Oh and BTW mountain, the grow shop here (only one!!) sells a gallon of H2O2 for $35.00!!! Can the stuff be shipped I wonder as I will check online, after I run out of the expensive stuff!!!

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Shops always charge more. I get mine from food supply stores and beauty shops,watch out not to buy the cream type from the hair dressers.

waterdawg said:

Am I wrong here or are the different opinions based on organic versus non organic systems. I am getting the wrong info from my hydro store as he said I should be running zymes through my units only to find out not a good thing for non-organics. Is this a correct assumption.

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That was the original point,then superstonier1 wanted to argue the point with me.I see he hasent returned to post any rebuttal after his schooling...lol, I dont mean to be an arrogant ass but after reading most of that guys post,seems his main purpose her is to troll posts and just bust ppl's chops just to do it.He doesent seem to know his ass from a hole in the ground in matters of growing.