Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

homebrewer

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newworldicon said:
So having used the dyna gro in hydro for a while now what sort of EC values over a 8 week period do you recommend? Bare in mind I start rooted clones at around 6-8 inches and flower in aeroponics.

After seeing where the DG is compared to conni I can see which is better already.

Thanks
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1.2 EC is very safe though I'm not that familiar with aeroponic growing. Just monitor the EC of your res and possibly add back some nutrients halfway though the week if you find they're consuming a lot. I know aero performs very well with rapid growth but I don't know exactly how much the plants will feed in that environment.
 
newworldicon

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homebrewer said:
1.2 EC is very safe though I'm not that familiar with aeroponic growing. Just monitor the EC of your res and possibly add back some nutrients halfway though the week if you find they're consuming a lot. I know aero performs very well with rapid growth but I don't know exactly how much the plants will feed in that environment.
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So you are saying to keep a constant 1.2EC right the way through flowering from week 1-8? or start at 1.2 and increase by 0.10 per week till week 7? This is what I do with canna right now, start at 1.1EC then 1.2 @week 2 and so forth....

Will an EC of 1.2 suffice right up to week 7 do you think?
 
homebrewer

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newworldicon said:
So you are saying to keep a constant 1.2EC right the way through flowering from week 1-8? or start at 1.2 and increase by 0.10 per week till week 7? This is what I do with canna right now, start at 1.1EC then 1.2 @week 2 and so forth....

Will an EC of 1.2 suffice right up to week 7 do you think?
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I max out at 1.2 and maintain that from roughly weeks 3-7. Weeks 8 and 9 I go a little lower just because that's what the plants usually tell me to do. 1.2 EC is safe and shouldn't burn any strains, but some heavier feeding strains may need a mid week addition of nutes before the week is over (really not necessary unless you're working with a smaller res).
 
newworldicon

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homebrewer said:
I max out at 1.2 and maintain that from roughly weeks 3-7. Weeks 8 and 9 I go a little lower just because that's what the plants usually tell me to do. 1.2 EC is safe and shouldn't burn any strains, but some heavier feeding strains may need a mid week addition of nutes before the week is over (really not necessary unless you're working with a smaller res).
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Thanks i'll give DG a bash next week.

EDIT: Just bought the bloom, veg and protekt...I don't think I will need the magpro just yet as I don't use RO water.

Again thanks for the experiment, you have converted me and I'll be looking forward to growing with DG.
 
tony1960

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Great thread. I'm also switching from Advanced Sensi 2 part to Dynagrow. My reasoning is that it is just too hard on my wallet to buy all of the Advanced stuff. Observations most helpful to me is any advice on RO water and how well DG holds its PH. Another thing on my list is a nute system that does not produce alot of salt buildup. That's because I use dripp systems and that crusty buildup is a problem and a pain.
So again, Homebrewer thanks for a very good tread. Tony in MI
 
burrr

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I've been running dynagrow since HB first posted his great results. I've got 3 in a RDWC that are showing nice progress. I'm running these at about 1.0 ec. Here they are at day 2, day 9, and day 16



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burrr

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newworldicon said:
Were they clones and did you start with a EC of 1.0 to start or have you built up to that?
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They have been building up to it, i'm a little gun shy with nute burn so I keep them light. Also a believer in Homebrewers less is more theory.
I'm running these 3 girls with Zone root conditioner to fight the root rot, I have another 3 girls just starting flower that are on the bacteria tea program.

Yep, these were clones. started off around 300 ppm, and ramped up to 550 or so.
 
mr.smileyface

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Yep i am now using my Advanced only for veg/first two weeks. I couldnt find dyna gro but i found hydrofuel A+B and this stuff called massive. Its made by green planet. I paid 30$ for each 1 gallon part. I paid about the same for a gallon of the massive. Makes sense cause im gonna be using them at the same rate. at 10ml gallon for weeks 3- 7
http://www.pnwgardensupply.com/products/Hydro-Fuel-Bloom-A&B.html
http://www.pnwgardensupply.com/products/Massive.html
Its the best mid bloom additive there is. Advanced cant even afford to make it. 4.64 -4- 11.4. Thats my overall nute %
Do you think i should add a Pk booster? Im gonna be using Massive at half strenght. I think im lacking P in the mix. I would be using monsterbloom and its 50-30. So im thinking half strenght of that should balance it out.
I couldnt find the dyna grow or i would have bought it.
Complete nutrient solutions are what everyone needs
 
sparkafire

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I am a HUGE fan of DG after switching from the floranova series. I am only running the bloom with both Magpro and Protekt so I am interested in the combo mix you have going on. Have you run just bloom before and found it worked better with help from the grow? I am running ppm's of 850 to 900 and no where near the 1400 they say to use. Do you think I could up the nutes a little bit?

Here is my grow if you are interested.
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/429152-sparkys-60-plants-7x7-room.html
 
homebrewer

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sparkafire said:
I am a HUGE fan of DG after switching from the floranova series. I am only running the bloom with both Magpro and Protekt so I am interested in the combo mix you have going on. Have you run just bloom before and found it worked better with help from the grow? I am running ppm's of 850 to 900 and no where near the 1400 they say to use. Do you think I could up the nutes a little bit?

Here is my grow if you are interested.
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/429152-sparkys-60-plants-7x7-room.html
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I've run 'bloom only' and found that I got some N deficiencies and some leaf drop in my strains. So I added 1-2mls of bloom per gallon and now it's green 'til harvest.

Depending on what scale you're on, 850-900ppm or about 1.2-1.3 EC is where I like to run things and I get the best yields by doing so. I ran their nute schedule though my GH vs DG thread and there was clearly some nute burn by week 4 at their generic levels. Can't blame them, it's just a suggestion across all plants and vegetables.
 
homebrewer

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Day 29 today and we’re trucking right along. Connoisseur has been consistent in the fact that it continues to need a couple pH adjustments throughout the week and the growth seems to be nice and steady. The nutrients are keeping the plants healthy but I think the performance difference between DynaGro and Connoisseur is becoming more obvious as the weeks pass. AN’s fertilizer seems to be keeping the leaves green and intact, just like DynaGro does, but Connoisseur's bud density at this point seems to be maybe 5 days behind? We've not even half way done so maybe things will even out in the weeks to come. Update in a week.

Here are the ladies:




Connoisseur day 29:



DynaGro Day 29:







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DynaGro Day 29:

 
homebrewer

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burrr said:
Homebrewer, I see a little leaf curl going on. is this normal for your AK?
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It's nothing I'm concerned with but those are the signs that feeding levels may have been a touch high. I'm normally feeding between 800-850 and after mixing my last res, I was closer to 900 with Connoisseur and koolbloom. I diluted it down as much as I could but my res isn't that big. I've already made a tweak to my mls/gallon for this evening's res change so it'll be back down to the 800-850 range.
 
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newworldicon

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homebrewer said:
It's nothing I'm concerned with but those are the signs that feeding levels may have been a touch high. I'm normally feeding between 800-850 and after mixing my last res, I was closer to 900 with Connoisseur and koolbloom. I diluted it down as much as I could but my res isn't that big. I've already made a tweak to my mls/gallon for this evening's res change so it'll be back down to the 800-850 range.
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Have you always run such low EC values in ebb&flood? It would explain the problems I had in E&F earlier in the year then!
 
mr.smileyface

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Ive ran connie at 1200ppm + additives and didnt get burnt. My co2 levels were 1800 with a matador controller. in a sealed room. Unfortantly a seal broke around my window and was left unseen for a week. I put a 2x4 frame around the window frame with a couple sheets of black and white. I couldnt screw the top in cause there was no room for the drill. So I tried to staple it with a air gun. but the force of an Portable A/C and an 8 inch fan broke the seal.
It leak and cause major heat problems. I was running cooltube and the exhaust from the a/c. If the lights wernt so close i could have saved them. I had the lights so low cause of the shades i was using. I also had an 8 inch fan for the four lights. I still got 4.5 pounds of decent herb. I had so many empty canopey space tho. I only had 40 some plants under the four lights.
I think the ghetto setups work better tho. Big fans and less chance of failure. You can keep it consistent with thermostats and a/c. But no where near a sealed room.
Nice comparison. I didnt think juice really made much a differnce considering its all the same elements. Its all the about the ratios. The DG looks white compared to the connie that looks green. Also the tops are more round.
 
newworldicon

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mr.smileyface said:
Ive ran connie at 1200ppm + additives and didnt get burnt. My co2 levels were 1800 with a matador controller. in a sealed room. Unfortantly a seal broke around my window and was left unseen for a week. I put a 2x4 frame around the window frame with a couple sheets of black and white. I couldnt screw the top in cause there was no room for the drill. So I tried to staple it with a air gun. but the force of an Portable A/C and an 8 inch fan broke the seal.
It leak and cause major heat problems. I was running cooltube and the exhaust from the a/c. If the lights wernt so close i could have saved them. I had the lights so low cause of the shades i was using. I also had an 8 inch fan for the four lights. I still got 4.5 pounds of decent herb. I had so many empty canopey space tho. I only had 40 some plants under the four lights.
I think the ghetto setups work better tho. Big fans and less chance of failure. You can keep it consistent with thermostats and a/c. But no where near a sealed room.
Nice comparison. I didnt think juice really made much a differnce considering its all the same elements. Its all the about the ratios. The DG looks white compared to the connie that looks green. Also the tops are more round.
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You might want to try using a hot glue gun, i use it all the time and it works a treat, sticks to anything is strong as f**k and has a great heat tolerance if needed.
 
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