Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

A friend of mine swear's by Jacks AP. I'm using Dyna-Gro right now because I couldn't find Jack's. Glad to hear Chuck! I hope mine turn out half as nice as yours sound. If I can't get great quality... I hope I at LEAST get great quantity.

Looking forward to hearing how that goes Brewer. I take it you've had good results with Dyna-Gro Bloom and are just looking for something even more simple?

NietzscheKeen said:

A friend of mine swear's by Jacks AP. I'm using Dyna-Gro right now because I couldn't find Jack's. Glad to hear Chuck! I hope mine turn out half as nice as yours sound. If I can't get great quality... I hope I at LEAST get great quantity.

Looking forward to hearing how that goes Brewer. I take it you've had good results with Dyna-Gro Bloom and are just looking for something even more simple?

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I question how much P is actually needed for great results. I already know the answer for dirt, hydro is different though. DG's bloom IME needs some Grow in hydroponic systems to keep the plants green. That combo works great but I'm trying to determine if a different mineral ratio works better.

Well enlighten me sensei.
I grow in dirt. What is the magic P number for soil? I'm sure you've already stated it in this thread many times, but it is so long. I've read the first half of it, but the grows faster than I can read it, so I will never get finished, lol.

homebrewer said:

I question how much P is actually needed for great results. I already know the answer for dirt, hydro is different though. DG's bloom IME needs some Grow in hydroponic systems to keep the plants green. That combo works great but I'm trying to determine if a different mineral ratio works better.

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I just ordered in some Potassium Nitrate to supplement Dynagrow in my next grow. I seem to hit an N threshold with DG during periods of rapid growth getting nute burn even with EC less than 1.0.
Perhaps the variety I'm growing (Selene) is extra sensitive to Ammonia.

I'm also hopeing that mixing in a little more Potassium with Bloom will even out the high P ratio.

For dirt how much P is needed?

NietzscheKeen said:

Well enlighten me sensei.
I grow in dirt. What is the magic P number for soil? I'm sure you've already stated it in this thread many times, but it is so long. I've read the first half of it, but the grows faster than I can read it, so I will never get finished, lol.

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As chuck stated, something balanced like a 20-20-20 would work great. DG's Grow works well too but that's also pretty balanced. Boosters or high P formulas when used in the dirt just induce leaf drop.

OH! Ok, well... good to know. I wound up removing most of the main fan leaves after the incident with Pro-Tekt. I still have a little under a month left in indoor veg, then I will be transplanting them outdoors into the ground (May 10th or so), so I think it will be ok. Thanks for all the info.

homebrewer said:

I question how much P is actually needed for great results. I already know the answer for dirt, hydro is different though. DG's bloom IME needs some Grow in hydroponic systems to keep the plants green. That combo works great but I'm trying to determine if a different mineral ratio works better.

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You're focusing too much on the nitrogen/phosphorus ratio. The ratio of nitrate nitrogen/ammoniacal nitrogen is more important. 3-12-6 has 0.7% ammoniacal nitrogen, that's a lot. I've grown with 3-12-6 hydroponic in rockwool slabs, with co2, for a long, long time. I never had a nitrogen deficiency until I switched to Ionic 3-2-6. Ionic bloom 3-2-6 has 0.16% ammoniacial nitrogen. I get a nitrogen deficiency 10 day to 2 wks after turning to 12 hrs w/co2. Without co2 it is fine. Even with the pretty severe N def. I get a lot more yield and better taste with Ionic. Can't knock dyna-gro 3-12-6 though. Just my opinion I wouldn't use grow fertilizers at all. Especially dyna-gro 7-9-5...2.0% ammoniacal nitrogen is crazy. Also I would use epsom salts instead of mag-pro because of the amm. nitrogen. I only use bloom fertilizer for veg and flower. You just want enough amm. nitrogen to avoid a deficiency. Any more then that you'll sacrifice yield. Just friendly suggestions.

Tiz I said:

You're focusing too much on the nitrogen/phosphorus ratio. The ratio of nitrate nitrogen/ammoniacal nitrogen is more important. 3-12-6 has 0.7% ammoniacal nitrogen, that's a lot. I've grown with 3-12-6 hydroponic in rockwool slabs, with co2, for a long, long time. I never had a nitrogen deficiency until I switched to Ionic 3-2-6. Ionic bloom 3-2-6 has 0.16% ammoniacial nitrogen. I get a nitrogen deficiency 10 day to 2 wks after turning to 12 hrs w/co2. Without co2 it is fine. Even with the pretty severe N def. I get a lot more yield and better taste with Ionic. Can't knock dyna-gro 3-12-6 though. Just my opinion. Also I would use epsom salts instead of mag-pro because of the amm. nitrogen. I only use bloom fertilizer for veg and flower. You just want enough amm. nitrogen to avoid a deficiency. Any more then that you'll sacrifice yield. Just friendly suggestions.

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So just to clarify, you think DG's Bloom has too much ammoniacal nitrogen yet when you switched to a formula with a proportionately higher amount of N with less coming from ammoniacal, you got a nitrogen deficiency? I'm not following .

I wouldn't use grow fertilizers at all. Especially dyna-gro 7-9-5...2.0% ammoniacal nitrogen is crazy.

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Maybe you should reconsider that?

That is why I posted, you assume like I always did, to focus on N/P ratios, and that's not the whole story as I found out. The head chemist at Hydrodynamics Int. told me what was happening with the low ammoniacal nitrogen and said he was making a new formula for use with co2. That was years ago...they never have made anything new. The best quality I've ever seen is from dyna gro 3-12-6..I just lose too much yield. Mine foxtails and the foxtails are way more pronounced with dyna gro. But I've got 9 1/2 oz. off 1 plant with Ionic with a nitrogen deficiency. If I was not concerned with yield and wanted top quality...dyna gro all the way. Started growing with 3-12-6 in '87 used it for veg, flowering, at 1/4 strength for cloning too. Yes your buds look fantastic...but does that mean they wouldn't have been bigger or heavier with less ammonia? I'm not bashing you in anyway, I just know trying to use 7-9-5 through flowering will have a real negative effect on yield.

Tiz I said:

That is why I posted, you assume like I always did, to focus on N/P ratios, and that's not the whole story as I found out. The head chemist at Hydrodynamics Int. told me what was happening with the low ammoniacal nitrogen and said he was making a new formula for use with co2. That was years ago...they never have made anything new. The best quality I've ever seen is from dyna gro 3-12-6..I just lose too much yield. Mine foxtails and the foxtails are way more pronounced with dyna gro. But I've got 9 1/2 oz. off 1 plant with Ionic with a nitrogen deficiency. If I was not concerned with yield and wanted top quality...dyna gro all the way. Started growing with 3-12-6 in '87 used it for veg, flowering, at 1/4 strength for cloning too. Yes your buds look fantastic...but does that mean they wouldn't have been bigger or heavier with less ammonia? I'm not bashing you in anyway, I just know trying to use 7-9-5 through flowering will have a real negative effect on yield.

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All I can say is that my experience differs from yours. Use what works best for you!

I have a question about dyna-gro nutes, and you seem to be an authority on the subject.

I have read alot of comments regarding salt buildup and found a product called "Drip Clean" by house & garden, it seems to claim to be the solution to the salt build-up problem, and was wondering if you've had any experience or knowledge regarding that products effieciency, is it worth it? Would you say salt build up is a real problem that needs attention with dyna-gro nutes or is it just an exaggeration and not worth the cost to fix it?

Don Draper said:

I have a question about dyna-gro nutes, and you seem to be an authority on the subject.

I have read alot of comments regarding salt buildup and found a product called "Drip Clean" by house & garden, it seems to claim to be the solution to the salt build-up problem, and was wondering if you've had any experience or knowledge regarding that products effieciency, is it worth it? Would you say salt build up is a real problem that needs attention with dyna-gro nutes or is it just an exaggeration and not worth the cost to fix it?

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DG is one of the cleanest plant foods I've ever used. Connoisseur was actually very clean and so was H&G's Aqua Flakes. GH on the other hand was a bit salty. So to answer your question, DG doesn't have a 'salt buildup issue' unless someone is just feeding too much, too often.

Now I've never used Drip Clean before but I think 'salt removal products' are a sham in general (Clearex, florakleen, etc.) as they don't seem to provide any benefit over leaching with tap water.

Thank you!

What are your thoughts about Foliage pro/Bloom+Protekt combo vs Grow/Bloom+Protekt? Im still not 100% sure which one to buy.
I've read that the user "uncle ben" claims the 3-1-2 formula is ideal for cannabis, what do you think? Is there a notable difference between the 2 combos?

Don Draper said:

Thank you!

What are your thoughts about Foliage pro/Bloom+Protekt combo vs Grow/Bloom+Protekt? Im still not 100% sure which one to buy.
I've read that the user "uncle ben" claims the 3-1-2 formula is ideal for cannabis, what do you think? Is there a notable difference between the 2 combos?

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I depends if you're in hydro or not. For container gardening with promix/dirt/coco, Foliage pro and Grow are bad-to-the-bone. I don't recommend bloom for container gardening but I don't think you can go wrong with either of the other two formulas. I'm wrapping up a test grow right now in promix; Grow vs Foliage Pro. All I can say is that it's very close and I didn't expect that.

Im going hydro, I remember reading something about FP stopping stretch in veg, you know anything about that?

Don Draper said:

Im going hydro, I remember reading something about FP stopping stretch in veg, you know anything about that?

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On the veg side in hydro, I can't tell a difference between grow and FP. I haven't flower with FP in hydro....yet .

ok, thanks
cant wait to hear how that goes!

How about using only one of the products all they way through?

Either:
*Grow
*Bloom
*Foliage-Pro
(+only supplementing with pro-tekt)

Have you experimented some with this?
Would there be a sacrifice in yield or quality(or both) if it was done that way?

One more question; is a higher Nitrogen and lower Phosphate ratio needed for motherplants after clones/cuttings have been taken off of them(as in Foliage pro's 9-3-6 NPK), or is Grow just as good to use for this with its 7-9-5 NPK ratio?

homebrewer said:

I'm running a test right now where I'm not using any of DG's bloom, just Grow and a little magpro. I question how much P is actually needed.

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how is this going? how many weeks in are you? dirt or hydro?

Don Draper said:

How about using only one of the products all they way through?

Either:
*Grow
*Bloom
*Foliage-Pro
(+only supplementing with pro-tekt)

Have you experimented some with this?
Would there be a sacrifice in yield or quality(or both) if it was done that way?

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If you had to use only one, it's definitely grow or FP as 'bloom' would be awful in veg.

One more question; is a higher Nitrogen and lower Phosphate ratio needed for motherplants after clones/cuttings have been taken off of them(as in Foliage pro's 9-3-6 NPK), or is Grow just as good to use for this with its 7-9-5 NPK ratio

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Grow or FP is fine.

joe macclennan said:

how is this going? how many weeks in are you? dirt or hydro?

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Hydro, just harvested. Just by the looks of things, it's worth exploring again.

no pics of plants while in flower?