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hey snail by micro fungi what do you mean? i know ej has microblast but i don't think thats microfungi, maybe it is though. hey does anyone know if this is an earth juice product? any benefits to using these? with the ej line up?

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Earth Nectar & Ambrosia
"Magnificent Mycorrhiza"

Price:$22.50

Item #: ENA405
Size: pint set
Weight: 3



Also available in pint set quart set gallon set

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Two-part mycorrhizal inoculants, Earth Nectar and Earth Ambrosia, are great for soil gardening and hydroponics. When Earth Nectar—containing the concentrated mycorrhizal cultures—is mixed with Earth Ambrosia—the fuel delivery system for the active cultures—they combine to infuse the growing medium with mycorrhizal cultures resulting in stronger plants and increased crop yields. Set of two one-pint bottles.

no loghead , as far as i know EJ does not make "mycorrhizal" or does any of their products contain it. I went round an round with the hydro shop lady about this. She claimed the "microblast" had all the "microbes" we need in it. FALSE a "microbe" is a micro-organizm and microblast is a micro-nutrient . BIG DIFFERENCE . micro-nutes can be found in tap water OR microblast , they are the secondary nutes that plants need besides just the main ones (NPK)........ ok i broke out the bottle for ya , microblast contains .... Magnesium, Boron, Cobalt, Iron, Manganese, Molybdenum, and Zinc. those are all micro-nutes and if u use tap water , most of that shit is already in there. Now if u use RO'ed water then u will need to get some, because there aint shit in RO water. Now for the "microbes" /mycorrhizal .... these are LIVE bactiera/fungi that EAT old roots and food that is left over from watering. i think without any live bacteria the roots get "clogged up" with old food and other dead shit...... when the microbes start eatin all that old shit , it makes the roots "open" and able to take in much more food.....thus making a better root system , and makin a healthy plant. Now most mixes/dirt comes with microbes in it , but since they have a shelf life ....its always better to have some layin around. My mix is Pro-mix w/ mycorrhizal, but the bag was a few years old when i got it , so i added more microbes just a week ago. i am pretty sure that MG mix and Shultz mix both have microbes in um ..... but you have to consider how many times the dirt got wet before u got it, and how long it set on the shelf. So i would go ahead and buy the products in your link ..... just to make sure. when u order the shit leave the seller a lil note askin that the date be checked on the bottles before they send um out , just to make sure its not dead when u get it. (i think the shelf life is about 2 years)

2 one pint bottles for 22 aint too bad !
this is the one i got .... its a powder , i wanted a liquid but the lady was pissed after i proved her wrong , so i just wanted to get my shit and leave. (i think i'll stick to the net for now on)
http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?sku=GMP400&AC=1

do you mix your Guardian MY in the soil, is that what the mycorrhizal part is in your pro-mix soil? yeah i'm thinking of getting it, or maybe just the same guardian. what what you recommend? you have the guardian, is it easy to maintain? how much did you apply to your soil?

LogHead said:

do you mix your Guardian MY in the soil,

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yes i do

LogHead said:

is that what the mycorrhizal part is in your pro-mix soil?

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yes it is , so if the soil was not expired (or old) i would not use no extra microbes.

LogHead said:

yeah i'm thinking of getting it, or maybe just the same guardian. what what you recommend?

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i think there are over 80,000 species of beneficial microbes for plants. You have to pick the one thats best for pot..... i think either of the ones we are talking about are fine. the shit i got come from a respectable company (botnicare) , thats all i can say about it at the time...... i doubt its "better" then the one u showed..... matter of fact, it seems the one u are looking at dont "come alive" until mixed so it might be even better then the one i got ..... they are pretty much the same though.
after the microbes get established then the species WE need will come along.

LogHead said:

you have the guardian, is it easy to maintain? how much did you apply to your soil?

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well since i did not get it till half way through a crop , i had to dig 3 or 4 holes in each pot and just dump it down in there. (just an inch or 2 deep) ...... but on the next ones i just mixed it in the whole pot. (filled the pot up with dirt then add the microbes and just mix it in the top half of the soil)
the back of the LITTLE package says 3/4 of a gram , so i just used my scales on the first one ... and guess the rest
it turns out that i have a measuring spoon that says "just a pinch" and it is exactly 3/4 of a gram , (its proly about 1/4 tsp) so i just stole the spoon from my ol'lady and put it next to my microbes. good luck log!

it looks like EJ makes the stuff u are lookin at ..... but i am not sure .... it is not on their website.
Thats another good thing about "organics" , you can mix different most company's food and it wont hurt nothin, just as long as it is organic. Thats the only reason i dont like using ph up by general hydroponics , because it is not natural so i am kinda scared it will kill my microbes...? not sure yet , i just know when u are useing ALL organics , you dont really worry about mixing the wrong shit.

i think i will get the earth nectar and ambrosia, that way like you said wyteboi that is when they will come alive, plus i can add it to the ej every few weeks maybe 1 month or so for a feeding. i know this is for me to figure out along the way, but what is a good start for a ratio of soil to perlite to worm castings mix?

LogHead said:

i think i will get the earth nectar and ambrosia, that way like you said wyteboi that is when they will come alive, plus i can add it to the ej every few weeks maybe 1 month or so for a feeding. i know this is for me to figure out along the way, but what is a good start for a ratio of soil to perlite to worm castings mix?

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it depends on if u are using "soil" or "mix" , if just plain hard potting soil then try this:
50% soil
20% worm castings
30% perlite

or even better would be to replace 10 or 15% of the soil with vermiculite .....so 40soil, 10verm......


the mix needs to be nice and "fluffy" or "loose" for good drainage and you would like the mix to dry up in 4 or 5 days or less , (constant moisture will destroy them roots)

PEACE. I have been susbcribed for a minute and I have a question for someone. How does one lower the EJ nutes before application without the natural up and down from the same company? I still haven't read any good suggestions that aren't shot down by one or another. Baking soda and vinegar are the only things that I have and are readily accessible, though I have read on this thread that they are not good.WHY? Any suggestions on a household item that I may have that can raise my pH of the nutes that I am using?

PEACE

THANKS FOR THE ANTICIPATED RESPONSE AND PLUS REP

Ive been using baking soda and vinegar for quite sometime. I wonder how much of an effect that has on the [lants.

BLACKMESSIAH7 said:

PEACE. I have been susbcribed for a minute and I have a question for someone. How does one lower the EJ nutes before application without the natural up and down from the same company? I still haven't read any good suggestions that aren't shot down by one or another. Baking soda and vinegar are the only things that I have and are readily accessible, though I have read on this thread that they are not good.WHY? Any suggestions on a household item that I may have that can raise my pH of the nutes that I am using?

PEACE

THANKS FOR THE ANTICIPATED RESPONSE AND PLUS REP

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you can use "up or down" from any company you want. vinegar and baking soda both work , just not as stable , i am not gonna tell u not to use them

wyteboi said:

you can use "up or down" from any company you want. vinegar and baking soda both work , just not as stable , i am not gonna tell u not to use them

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PEACE. Thank you my brother and plus rep for the response and the time taken to respond. I have been reading the thread since I got the Earth Juice products and have been subscribed ever since. I appreciate your honesty. good luck

peace

BLACKMESSIAH7 said:

PEACE. Thank you my brother and plus rep for the response and the time taken to respond. I have been reading the thread since I got the Earth Juice products and have been subscribed ever since. I appreciate your honesty. good luck

peace

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well great, its good to know people people read these.

hey thanks messiah for the rep! your ph working out with that vinegar and baking soda?

LogHead said:

hey thanks messiah for the rep! your ph working out with that vinegar and baking soda?

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PEACE LOGHEAD, NO PROBLEM ON THE REP. Your post has been assisting me in the odessy of organic nutes. I am having major problems with the pH (I think) and my girls are looking bad. I'm a few weeks into flower with autos and they are exhibiting lack of phosphorus as well as potash and a micro nute I believe. I can't really tell it all because it us my FIRST PRO BEANS GROW and I have never dealt with the flowering stages with the schwagg beans (beginners UNLUCKINESS).

The thing is that I have grow bags and I am using organic nutes. Now from all that I have read on this, I shouldn't been burning them with organic nutes and they shouldn't (organic nutes) have to be leeched. But the deficiency charts and books that I have read on it have said to flush for EVERYTHING that is wrong. Cool! But what about with growbags? "They" also say that grow bags are tricky and you should be cautious not to disturb the root system when moving them, but how can one flush when using growbags and not disturb the root system at the same time? The soil or soiless mix used would soften to a great extent and therefore causing you to have to disturb the roots when putting it back into the growroom (assuming that you had took them out to flush. but if you didn't then you wouldn't have a worry anyway).

My sincerest appologies for the rambling. I'm stressed about my girls! Good Luck on yours though.

PEACE

BLACKMESSIAH7 said:

PEACE LOGHEAD, NO PROBLEM ON THE REP. Your post has been assisting me in the odessy of organic nutes. I am having major problems with the pH (I think) and my girls are looking bad. I'm a few weeks into flower with autos and they are exhibiting lack of phosphorus as well as potash and a micro nute I believe. I can't really tell it all because it us my FIRST PRO BEANS GROW and I have never dealt with the flowering stages with the schwagg beans (beginners UNLUCKINESS).

The thing is that I have grow bags and I am using organic nutes. Now from all that I have read on this, I shouldn't been burning them with organic nutes and they shouldn't (organic nutes) have to be leeched. But the deficiency charts and books that I have read on it have said to flush for EVERYTHING that is wrong. Cool! But what about with growbags? "They" also say that grow bags are tricky and you should be cautious not to disturb the root system when moving them, but how can one flush when using growbags and not disturb the root system at the same time? The soil or soiless mix used would soften to a great extent and therefore causing you to have to disturb the roots when putting it back into the growroom (assuming that you had took them out to flush. but if you didn't then you wouldn't have a worry anyway).

My sincerest appologies for the rambling. I'm stressed about my girls! Good Luck on yours though.

PEACE

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Flushing is NOT the cure for everything ...... and i think all plants should be just strait watered for the last week or so..... but there is no need in a "flush" unless u have a buildup of salts/ect from using too much food (and yes u can use too much organic food too, it is just alot less harsh then chems) .... are u in dirt ? u let them dry out real good before feeding?

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Flushing is NOT the cure for everything ...... and i think all plants should be just strait watered for the last week or so..... but there is no need in a "flush" unless u have a buildup of salts/ect from using too much food (and yes u can use too much organic food too, it is just alot less harsh then chems) .... are u in dirt ? u let them dry out real good before feeding?

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PEACE WB. Yes they are in soiless mix (not soil per se). And yes, I do let them dry out very well. I think the problem with my watering/feeding thing is that I DON'T water first and it causes the plants to drink the nutes before they are satisfied with water causing a slight burn of some kind. That's only my theory on it. But I haven't added any sulfur to the mix in any form and I feel like they are needing it bad as well. When they dry out a bit i plan to add a grow mix (called Rainbow Mix GROW, same company) to the soil( it says to work it into the soil of established plants), and epsom salts in the water for the sulfur, and a bit of SUPERthrive to ease it all into them. I used the Microblast (EJ) and molasses yesterday when I watered and I have to wait it out for them to dry before I can remedy anything.

In the beginning I used the Rainbow mix GROW in the soiless mix (cheap stuff) and then had them in 18oz cups for the first three weeks until they showed sex. I brought a better soiless mix, ProMix BX, and transplanted into 2 gal growbags and 4-2ltr bottles (as an experiement) and the Microblast and SUPERthrive was all that I had been using and I only gave them the bloom (EJ) once while foilar feeding to get it in them quickly. I also added that this time when I watered them.

I think it is a potassium deficiency and a sulfur deficiency as well but I will also add the grow mix to the soil to green them up since they had no veg nutes besides what was in the 18oz cups.

Thanks for the concerns and your advice is welcome.

PEACE

Both of them have no ph buffers to keep it stable, and baking soda is sodium bicarbonate which is a high salinity and high EC so you'll not want to use that too much if you can help it. If I had a ph meter and nothing else but vinegar baking soda and lemons I'd use Lemon Juice. Tap water usually comes out about around 7.5 and then you can just add lemon till it gets around 6.8 to be lazy about it. Too much baking soda in your soil built up would have an effect similar to a human trying to drink saltwater to quench thirst.

thesurface said:

Both of them have no ph buffers to keep it stable, and baking soda is sodium bicarbonate which is a high salinity and high EC so you'll not want to use that too much if you can help it. If I had a ph meter and nothing else but vinegar baking soda and lemons I'd use Lemon Juice. Tap water usually comes out about around 7.5 and then you can just add lemon till it gets around 6.8 to be lazy about it. Too much baking soda in your soil built up would have an effect similar to a human trying to drink saltwater to quench thirst.

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great info !!!

BLACKMESSIAH7 said:

PEACE WB. Yes they are in soiless mix (not soil per se). And yes, I do let them dry out very well. I think the problem with my watering/feeding thing is that I DON'T water first and it causes the plants to drink the nutes before they are satisfied with water causing a slight burn of some kind. That's only my theory on it. But I haven't added any sulfur to the mix in any form and I feel like they are needing it bad as well. When they dry out a bit i plan to add a grow mix (called Rainbow Mix GROW, same company) to the soil( it says to work it into the soil of established plants), and epsom salts in the water for the sulfur, and a bit of SUPERthrive to ease it all into them. I used the Microblast (EJ) and molasses yesterday when I watered and I have to wait it out for them to dry before I can remedy anything.

In the beginning I used the Rainbow mix GROW in the soiless mix (cheap stuff) and then had them in 18oz cups for the first three weeks until they showed sex. I brought a better soiless mix, ProMix BX, and transplanted into 2 gal growbags and 4-2ltr bottles (as an experiement) and the Microblast and SUPERthrive was all that I had been using and I only gave them the bloom (EJ) once while foilar feeding to get it in them quickly. I also added that this time when I watered them.

I think it is a potassium deficiency and a sulfur deficiency as well but I will also add the grow mix to the soil to green them up since they had no veg nutes besides what was in the 18oz cups.

Thanks for the concerns and your advice is welcome.

PEACE

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it sounds like u could use some grow in the mix...... the Rainbow food is great , thats what i used to use before switching to liquid nutes.