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BigBudzzzz

BigBudzzzz

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GreenLab said:
:blsmoke:can't take it.....here's a little teaser. screen and thread will be up in the near future​




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PM me when the thread goes up. Im pumped for you and i got a ton of questions! :hump:
 
kindone

kindone

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teddiekgb123 said:
not much, just jealous of this guy greenlab and his greenlab. looks spectacular by the way if I do say so myself. still at it....will be posting a previous grow at some point
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Yea no shit, lookin good greenlab, is your system a recirc? Whats your res piped to on the wall?
 
NoSwag

NoSwag

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whitey78 said:
The frame I am using presently

Its 30x26 and cost me about $6 and 15 minutes to make once I figured out how I was going to do it.

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Here it is filled out a few weeks ago (gotta take it out of the tent to get a pic and this was the last time I needed to pull it out)

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Do you understand the NEWS labeling noswag? If you need the other diagrams to understand the news labeling and how they make it work just let me know and I'll post it.
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please do post some, im interested on what that really means, right now im drawing up an individual scrog rig with a sliding drainage pan under, will post pics hopefully this week,

also in your screens, how many inches apart do you use for the holes? I really need some input because i wanna use pant rope or hemp string to build the screen
 
Someguy15

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NoSwag said:
please do post some, im interested on what that really means, right now im drawing up an individual scrog rig with a sliding drainage pan under, will post pics hopefully this week,

also in your screens, how many inches apart do you use for the holes? I really need some input because i wanna use pant rope or hemp string to build the screen
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2" or 3" squares work good. Smaller = more control, bigger = less work, more for support. But 2" is considered the standard scrogging size.
 
lilindian

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NoSwag said:

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So I'm sure people do this, but I don't see it often, is Individual Scrogging.

what i meant is building a small scrog rig for each of your plants based on how big you want them to grow giving you control, ease of maintenance, and the option to do different strains in one scrog setup, opinions?

(i would love to build and sell these lmao but still, opinions?)
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Thought about doing this many times, most likely how i'll do my next scrog. Will use small K'nex screens for each plant, maybe have 3. I agree though, this is rarely seen. The way i've planned it, each plant's screen will be square. And like how u've drawn a frame, I'll have wheels at the bottom of them so i can wheel the pots around, rotate them, re-arrange them all at ease.
 
NoSwag

NoSwag

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lilindian said:
Thought about doing this many times, most likely how i'll do my next scrog. Will use small K'nex screens for each plant, maybe have 3. I agree though, this is rarely seen. The way i've planned it, each plant's screen will be square. And like how u've drawn a frame, I'll have wheels at the bottom of them so i can wheel the pots around, rotate them, re-arrange them all at ease.
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Knex as screens are AWESOME wheels are a must, I'm trying to build one with wheels to keep the rig off the ground, flat bottom with holes for drainage, with a built in sliding catch pan under the drainage bottom

I need to buy/build a prototype.
 
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whitey78

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Sorry NS, this morning I am going crazy trying to figure out why my Iphone wont sync with my comp to upload some pics so I may not be able to get you pics today but I can explain it a little.

As far as what size scrog, the holes in the one I'm currently using are 1" holes and I'm finding them a little small, as someone posted above, the control is great but its kinda crowded and it wasnt all that easy to fish the branches up and down through the mesh. The snow fence I bought was the smallest size, that had bigger openings but they were rectangular, so I went with the smaller 1x1 mesh, however next time I'll be going up a little.

NEWS = north. east, west, south. In the pic that I post below look how its laid out on the top of the frame, thats how you want to label and space it. Once you get your plant (# of plant'(s) all depends on you, the book is about using 1 plant for this so obviously if you go this route theres going to be some serious veg

You need get your plant growing with 4 main branches (north east west south) and you will use the main grow site from the end of each main branch and 5 sub branches from each of the 4 main branches and train them all to that training rail/frame you build and label with the N1 through N6 (same for E W and S) 4 inches apart. When it all plays out you should have 64 tops (x7 grams = LB+). Thats if you want to do it this way but I think this method and the tools they show in the book can be utilized without having to go as big as a single 4x4 plant, but its obviously doable and how I plan to do it. Also they recommend running your plant in a 15 gallon pot, I plan to run a 15 gallon smart pot with straight coco. I' am loving these things, I'll never have to say root bound again.

The only thing I think that can be a draw back as well as a plus to coco is that you need to feed every day, that amounts to a lot of nutes, but it will also get me as close to hydro yields as I possibly can get in dirt....kinda in dirt anyhow but with organic nutes.

(Edit: I see some glare in the pic so I'll retake it for you later)

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Thats a basic explanation, the book is in my grow room so today when the lights come on, I'll get some pics of the pages that explain exactly how to lay the branches out for you as well as a few other good info pages, I just didnt want it to seem like I offered the info and never gave it up.

I'll post the rest of that stuff for you guys later on.
 
NoSwag

NoSwag

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whitey78 said:
Sorry NS, this morning I am going crazy trying to figure out why my Iphone wont sync with my comp to upload some pics so I may not be able to get you pics today but I can explain it a little.

As far as what size scrog, the holes in the one I'm currently using are 1" holes and I'm finding them a little small, as someone posted above, the control is great but its kinda crowded and it wasnt all that easy to fish the branches up and down through the mesh. The snow fence I bought was the smallest size, that had bigger openings but they were rectangular, so I went with the smaller 1x1 mesh, however next time I'll be going up a little.

NEWS = north. east, west, south. In the pic that I post below look how its laid out on the top of the frame, thats how you want to label and space it. Once you get your plant (# of plant'(s) all depends on you, the book is about using 1 plant for this so obviously if you go this route theres going to be some serious veg

You need get your plant growing with 4 main branches (north east west south) and you will use the main grow site from the end of each main branch and 5 sub branches from each of the 4 main branches and train them all to that training rail/frame you build and label with the N1 through N6 (same for E W and S) 4 inches apart. When it all plays out you should have 64 tops (x7 grams = LB+). Thats if you want to do it this way but I think this method and the tools they show in the book can be utilized without having to go as big as a single 4x4 plant, but its obviously doable and how I plan to do it. Also they recommend running your plant in a 15 gallon pot, I plan to run a 15 gallon smart pot with straight coco. I' am loving these things, I'll never have to say root bound again.

The only thing I think that can be a draw back as well as a plus to coco is that you need to feed every day, that amounts to a lot of nutes, but it will also get me as close to hydro yields as I possibly can get in dirt....kinda in dirt anyhow but with organic nutes.

(Edit: I see some glare in the pic so I'll retake it for you later)

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Thats a basic explanation, the book is in my grow room so today when the lights come on, I'll get some pics of the pages that explain exactly how to lay the branches out for you as well as a few other good info pages, I just didnt want it to seem like I offered the info and never gave it up.

I'll post the rest of that stuff for you guys later on.
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Dude, awesome thank you. but to get 4 main branches is topping necessary? Because I know a lot of strains thrive in a scrog untopped.

The NEWS labeling is a new concept to me, I understand the basics but I need to definantly read more :D
what is a sufficient size pot to end in and how large does the scrog screen have to be, in a small setup?

also, how you liking the smart pots? I hear this airpruning is amazing and i've seen some great product with it, but how do you transplant them?
 
BigBudzzzz

BigBudzzzz

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The scrog is lookin sweet. Im exp with some 12/12 from seed and the plant in the lower left corner is actually 12/12 from seed and is growing rapidly enuf for me to scrog her some. We will see how this comes out.

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GreenLab

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kindone said:
Yea no shit, lookin good greenlab, is your system a recirc? Whats your res piped to on the wall?
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Thanks bud. It's Titan's Flow-N-Gro. The fill and drain lines run from the control bucket and through the wall to the res on the other side.




I have the plants and res on tables mainly so that I can put some Tree Tanglefoot around the legs and stop any crawling insects from getting in. I've never seen a crawling insect in my plants, medium or res. since doing this. I also put it everywhere else a bug may crawl in, such as power cords and tubing coming from the wall.


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GreenLab said:
Thanks bud. It's Titan's Flow-N-Gro. The fill and drain lines run from the control bucket and through the wall to the res on the other side.




I have the plants and res on tables mainly so that I can put some Tree Tanglefoot around the legs and stop any crawling insects from getting in. I've never seen a crawling insect in my plants, medium or res. since doing this. I also put it everywhere else a bug may crawl in, such as power cords and tubing coming from the wall.



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whitey78

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NoSwag said:
Dude, awesome thank you. but to get 4 main branches is topping necessary? Because I know a lot of strains thrive in a scrog untopped.

The NEWS labeling is a new concept to me, I understand the basics but I need to definantly read more :D
what is a sufficient size pot to end in and how large does the scrog screen have to be, in a small setup?

also, how you liking the smart pots? I hear this airpruning is amazing and i've seen some great product with it, but how do you transplant them?
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If you are going to go for the 1 4x4 plant under 1 light scrogged using the news layout, I am gonna have to say that you will need to top in order to stop vertical growth and get the lateral branches to grow that long. Doing it this way you arent going to grow your plant vertical and lay it over your going to bend and pull those 4 branches straight out and up.

I'm not saying it cant be done any other way, you dont have to adhere to anything, these are all suggestions and the way the book has it. I just havent done it yet myself which is why I dont have the answers set in stone, but to me it looks pretty sound. I'm not sure which strain you are going to grow but most have no issue with being topped, it will more than likely slow your plant down for a day max unless you take a swing at it with a machete or something in order to top it, LOL... But if you see another way to get your plant to lay out in that manner, go for it and post it. I think once I get my plant all set for my next grow I'll start a thread about the WC master method or whatever and do a journal. But for now I'm stocking up on the equipment and other things I need to do it as I'm just not there yet nor am I in a big rush as its going to be awhile before I'm ready.

As far as the smart pots, I love them so far, I'm almost done with my first grow using them and I have a 30x26 scrog loaded being supported by a 5 gallon smart pot and its not root bound at all. You can see all where the roots hit the sides of the pot and stop. From there they grow smaller sub roots rather than just going around the bottom of the pot in circles until they get bound. In the WC mas. book they run regular round plastic 15 gallon pots to do a single 4x4 scrogged plant pulling elbows + like that, so I'd say anywhere from a 10-15 gallon smart pot would be fine however bigger is better as far as containers for dirt growing so I'd go with the 15 personally, they are making smart pots up to like 250 gallon containers etc and in different shapes as well. I've only used the regular round ones so far in 1,3 and 5 gallon.

Here is some of the pics I grabbed for you last night, I was a little shot when I did this so forgive me if I have to get some more pics for you but I was short on time so I grabbed a few to at least give you an understanding of how to lay the branches out.


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