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Jay_normous

Jay_normous

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Grow'N'Smoke said:
I prefer to train my plants until after they quit growing and begin to fully develope buds. I like to make sure that the only part of the plant that is above the screen is the buds. This allows great lighting to an even layer of leaves just below the screen.

- Grow'N'Smoke
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Cheers for that...
I just had another look at them and decided to pull the larger tips down in the middle as they were blocking light to other bud sites..
Unfortantly I broke two of them in half..:cuss:
Ah well..
2 weeks on 12/12 and one plant has started to show her hairy flower.. only just!!
 
Grow'N'Smoke

Grow'N'Smoke

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seasmoke said:
You don't tie anything to the plant. You let the screen "ride" over the plants, allowing the buds to poke up through abit. I'm thinking some 4"x4" square monofilemt net. Like a gillnet, used for commercial fishing, and that itself is only attached to the rolls. As it gets pulled across it may pop off over a bud, repositioning itself over the next one. The monofilmet shouldn't cause much drag, as long as your gentle rolling it no damage should be done to the buds. As long as its maintained, the netting shouldn't get tangled with the plant.

and if it did work, think about how much less you'd have to handle the plants....and bigger patches might become easier nto manage.
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It sounds as though you would need to adjust the screen almost constantly to keep the leaves from poking through. If it did work I think it would be with a smaller screen, and much more then 20 ft. If you decide to give it a try let me know how it goes.

Thundernuts said:
It will be my fourth time trying(first time with a scrog).So far,2 males,and one hermie.The one i have now(male) is just my test plant.Learning how to cut clones,and various trimming techniques with the free seeds first,then i will try them on a female plant.Check out my photos of my third attempt through my profile.It's only 39days old in those pics,but turned out to be a male last week.
It's my first time with a real light.Looks good except for being male.
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Don't let that male get to full maturity in your grow room, even if there are ne females in there now the pollin could still hang around and pollinate future females.

- Grow'N'Smoke
 
seasmoke

seasmoke

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It sounds as though you would need to adjust the screen almost constantly to keep the leaves from poking through. If it did work I think it would be with a smaller screen, and much more then 20 ft. If you decide to give it a try let me know how it goes.
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I think I will build a scaled down version...a 4x4...sure, i'll keep you fill in.
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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Hello Folks, our system was down for a few days and we were unable to access the net...

Glad folks are here trying to help out! That is what this thread is all about!

I would like to make note for the new growers and first time scroggers. As with learning anything new, spending effort doing your own research is likely the most effective way to become educated however, knowing how to determine what references are reliable with correct information is just as important as anything. When your taking advice from someone over a thread, the same is true. Questioning someones views and being a critic are not "offensive gestures" that should be avoided. Be sure that the person giving you advice is credible.

Woodsman~
 
Jay_normous

Jay_normous

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woodsmantoker said:
Hello Folks, our system was down for a few days and we were unable to access the net...

Glad folks are here trying to help out! That is what this thread is all about!

I would like to make note for the new growers and first time scroggers. As with learning anything new, spending effort doing your own research is likely the most effective way to become educated however, knowing how to determine what references are reliable with correct information is just as important as anything. When your taking advice from someone over a thread, the same is true. Questioning someones views and being a critic are not "offensive gestures" that should be avoided. Be sure that the person giving you advice is credible.

Woodsman~
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Couldn't put it better myself..
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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Grow'N'Smoke said:
I built, just finished a couple of days ago. It cost around $20 anda took just over 2.5 hours to build , excluding planning time. I would be happy to post a how to but I don't have any photos of the actual build.

-Grow'N'Smoke
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$20 and a couple hours, common! You could rebuild for the sake of a how too.:bigjoint:
I find that if I am not intending to do something, that its generally a better idea not to mention it. :lol:

I like your build, look forward to seeing some photos of your run!
 
Grow'N'Smoke

Grow'N'Smoke

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I could do another build, but I don't even know if the idea was worth building in the first place. And it shouldn't be hard to rebuild from the pictures alone.

It is the how-to that I was offering. I was simply saying that it wouldn't come with pictures.

- Grow'N'Smoke
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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Grow'N'Smoke said:
I could do another build, but I don't even know if the idea was worth building in the first place. And it shouldn't be hard to rebuild from the pictures alone.

It is the how-to that I was offering. I was simply saying that it wouldn't come with pictures.

- Grow'N'Smoke
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No Prob buddy!

"Worth" is a relative term. I figure its already worth allot in that you gave, god knows how many people, god knows how many new ideas!

Thanx!
 
sophanox

sophanox

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i have a question for all yous expert scroggers, how many branches do you weave through one hole in the mesh? Like should you only weave one branch through one hole, or can you have multiple branches weaved through the same hole?

Cheers!
 
BudDoctor

BudDoctor

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Just finished a SCRoG with Pot of Gold seeds, 3 females of 6 total. Aeroponics, 2x4x6'tall closet, 400 watt MH veg, 400 HPS flower, 11 weeks to harvest. Have grown on this set up for years with good results. sometimes they grew too tall and was an issue. using this method resulted in the best results ever (8 years in this set up, first with SCRoG). Dont think I will ever go back to normal grow in the closet. IMHO the process was simple and the results were amazing.
 
Jay_normous

Jay_normous

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BudDoctor said:
Just finished a SCRoG with Pot of Gold seeds, 3 females of 6 total. Aeroponics, 2x4x6'tall closet, 400 watt MH veg, 400 HPS flower, 11 weeks to harvest. Have grown on this set up for years with good results. sometimes they grew too tall and was an issue. using this method resulted in the best results ever (8 years in this set up, first with SCRoG). Dont think I will ever go back to normal grow in the closet. IMHO the process was simple and the results were amazing.
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Great to hear.. Im actually thining of adding 250w mh... making it up to 500w (250hps 250mh)
My problem is getting the bulbs under one reflector.

I think my plants are very slow to flower and i think i know now... Humidy was up in the 70 - 80%... I've been 14- 10 since 5th Jan (due to cold weather) and 12-12 since 16th..
Ambient temp outside my little grow hut is 5'c (41'f)
 
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Durbanplaya

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Got a question....

When do you remove all the leaf matter below the screen? I've slowly been taking off some of the branches that I feel wont make to the screen in time and others that have been in the way of strongers shoots.

The plant had been topped and then both tops were fimmed so I got a bit of a jungle on my hands :D

Any advice?

Thanks
 
Grow'N'Smoke

Grow'N'Smoke

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Durbanplaya said:
Got a question....

When do you remove all the leaf matter below the screen? I've slowly been taking off some of the branches that I feel wont make to the screen in time and others that have been in the way of strongers shoots.

The plant had been topped and then both tops were fimmed so I got a bit of a jungle on my hands :D

Any advice?

Thanks
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I don't know if there is a standard, but I remove any leaves that wont have room, or be tall enough, to get their full surface area on the screen. As far as chopping branches, I follow Uncle Ben's topping technique for 4 tops, and I have never had a branch not make it to the screen.

With so much branching be sure that you leave the plant room to grow once you put it into flowering. Indicas can double and most sativas more than triple in size when their light cycle is changed.

I keep an eye on this thread, but feel free to pm me with questions, I'll do my best to give you good advice.

- Grow'N'Smoke
 
Jay_normous

Jay_normous

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Grow'N'Smoke said:
I don't know if there is a standard, but I remove any leaves that wont have room, or be tall enough, to get their full surface area on the screen. As far as chopping branches, I follow Uncle Ben's topping technique for 4 tops, and I have never had a branch not make it to the screen.

With so much branching be sure that you leave the plant room to grow once you put it into flowering. Indicas can double and most sativas more than triple in size when their light cycle is changed.

I keep an eye on this thread, but feel free to pm me with questions, I'll do my best to give you good advice.

- Grow'N'Smoke
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Can someone give me some advice....
This is my second scrog attempt...
I feel the canopy is growing to high up from the screen.
Reason I say this is i think there are buds being covered by leaves..
I know there re arguements for leaving and removing leaves, certaintly ones that cover buds...
I was thinking of leaving it for 2 weeks and see if the other buds make it through to the light...
what do you think..?








Thanks in advance..:bigjoint:
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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sophanox said:
i have a question for all yous expert scroggers, how many branches do you weave through one hole in the mesh? Like should you only weave one branch through one hole, or can you have multiple branches weaved through the same hole?

Cheers!
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Good Day Folks! Sorry I have been away on a medical vacation. LOL

Well I suppose the answer to your question would be dependent on the size of the mesh/holes and size of the plants your pushing through them. I have several branches that end up sharing a hole. I use 2 inch by 3 inch mesh. Never a problem. The Tops can be trained further to avoid leaning shadows by attaching wire to the stem and then the screen; then bend the middle of the wire to add tension in order to position the cola where you want it. Another large mesh screen placed above the screen to support tall or heavy colas.

:leaf:Woodsman
 
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Durbanplaya

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Thanks Grow'N'Smoke, think I'm on the right path now. Going to switch to 12/12 either today or tomorrow.

Good to see you back Woodsman. Thought you had left us but since you're back, I will try get some pics up later today :)

Was also wanting to ask what everyones opinion is on a second flowering with scrog? My thinking is if you chop all the buds at the screen (leaving the lowest set of leaves and bud) then veg for a week, then switch to 12/12 again. Surely this wood save time?
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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Durbanplaya said:
Got a question....

When do you remove all the leaf matter below the screen? I've slowly been taking off some of the branches that I feel wont make to the screen in time and others that have been in the way of strongers shoots.

The plant had been topped and then both tops were fimmed so I got a bit of a jungle on my hands :D

Any advice?

Thanks
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A good Rule of thumb: Once the canopy begins to shade the lower growth, the removal should be done. I would give smaller branches a bit longer after removal of the foliage. (FULL SHADE, remember that photosynthesis occurs from the transfer of light energy by means of those leaves) "I have learned its more beneficial to leave them longer than cut/trim sooner"

Last Scrog: My largest cola came from the actual top of one plant, the second largest was from a branch that grew from the lowest point on the plant.;-)
 
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