Epic 50 Seed Super Sour Diesel Pheno Hunt in my 2x4! Help Growmies!

Gotcha, so 2 main braches...

I wouldn't cut a clone shorter than 3 inches, I would prefer 6, and I would cut below a node and make my 45 degree cut through the node. There's no science for this being optimal, purely my preference.

Cloning is an art and a science. I would always advise taking more clones than you need, because survival rates vary. I would bet my seed stash nobody who's taken over a hundred clones has 100% root success, and I'm being conservative.

You're going to want to think about what to do about your cannopy. You're dealing with a sativa polyhybrid that's going to have varying degrees of stretch, which is going to require some sort of creative trellis work.

You might have to get creative. Most people wouldn't attempt something like this, so there may not be a whole lot of advice to be had.

Tolerance Break said:

Gotcha, so 2 main braches...

I wouldn't cut a clone shorter than 3 inches, I would prefer 6, and I would cut below a node and make my 45 degree cut through the node. There's no science for this being optimal, purely my preference.

Cloning is an art and a science. I would always advise taking more clones than you need, because survival rates vary. I would bet my seed stash nobody who's taken over a hundred clones has 100% root success, and I'm being conservative.

You're going to want to think about what to do about your cannopy. You're dealing with a sativa polyhybrid that's going to have varying degrees of stretch, which is going to require some sort of creative trellis work.

You might have to get creative. Most people wouldn't attempt something like this, so there may not be a whole lot of advice to be had.

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Love it when you come out with fire like this. Thanks for the 3-6 inch advise first of all I will take measurements,I have a few trellis but I was thinking I may not need it this run due to only flowering 2 colas I may just use a piece of garden twine to keep them up with help of each cola's gravitation pull force to the ground to achieve balance. I would love to skip the trellis if possible due to quantity of plants, checking on them is gonna be much easier, I also put a 4 tier shelf so I have the plants on the metal and each one can be moved up or down so I can manage ppfd and stretching pretty good.
but yeah as you said I'm just figuring it out we'll see each step what's the best move.

This is how I set them up, only way to check ec and ppm without checking one by one
The shelves can be adjusted higher or lower so if any pheno streches too much I ll put it in the taller plants zone which is lowered down

I am running into a balancing issue guys, I noticed that soil ph everytime I water comes out at 5.5 even tho I always feed at 6.5-6.7
After some research I discovered that this may be happening because some nutes are alkaline and some ar acidic and it looks like the plants could be liking a lot more of the alkaline salts and less the acidic ones, meaning they might be absorbing the alkalines faster and taking too long to absorb the acidic ones.

This is probably due to the nute cocktail I am feeding, So far they like it but I am wary of this heavy ph fluctuations, I don't think a 0.8-1.2 ph fluctuation every 2 days could be that good.

So I am here asking you guys if any of you knows what nutrients are alkaline and what are more acidic from my nute schedule so they plants may thrive in the perfect soil, I know that flushing will remove the extra salts but It's still too unbalanced.

This is what some research said: Your plants' growing environment could become more acidic due to a number of reasons. In soil, this can occur when your plants take up particular nutrients, leaving a deficit of others that would lower the pH, or when fertilisers or plant matter break down, releasing Hydrogen ions into the soil.

I am growing in half coco and half castings basically so I am getting the best of both but also the worst.

Could it be they are growing fast and breaking down fertilizer at at faster rate? Big shifts like this are rarely mention in any seed to harvest vids or anywhere really so might be better to ask you than keep masterbatin my head on the topic online

Maybe are not the nuts tho remember that even tho I am going hard I am still a rookie on my first grow so my assumption could be wrong I really don't know what's causing this.

This is the schedule I know that silica is alkaline and mammoth p tends to lower ph and all the raw products, vitamin and myco don't rais ec but they may raise ph, I will definitely check each value by its own next feed but maybe there's something else I should look for.

Hope you can help out thanks!

Watered at 7ph runoff came at 6.1 wtf is going on here

About to top the cuties! Video update tomorrow!

It took me 5 hours to do it but the job is done!

Figured out the ph drop issues. Very interesting for anyone concerned on their ph fluctuations. Basically RO water has no carbonates or bicarbonates like tap water does and they kinda buffer the solution. Also when the plants have absorbed all the cal-mag and nitrogen nitrate in the solution they then start feeding on ammoniacal nitrogen, this releases hydronium ions in the soil and lowers the ph.
I am feeding 5ml/gal of calimagic cal mag, is this enough? I am using led, how much do you guys feed calmag?
Also anyone knows a good brand of nitrate nitrogen only? I use Canna coco A that is completely derived from nitrate nitrogen so now I am wondering if I should change the nute brand or just feed more? Maybe I have too much worm castings in this medium mix and the plants are using all the nitrogen before its time to water again and the day before watering they are releasing all those hydronium ions because they can't find no nitrogen anymore? Anyway

Better explained by this guy

I don't understand the problem.

If the plants are happy, you're good.

And the solution is R/O water
Seems simple to me

Tolerance Break said:

I don't understand the problem.

If the plants are happy, you're good.

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Actually they were suffering a bit I removed plenty of leaves that looked like P def so I know 5.5 can't be good for them since this particular medium for Veg was 40% castings giving it soil like properties and probably asking for higher ph maybe around 6.05.
This was 4 days ago that's why I topped later than what I had in mind cause I wanted them to be in good shape for the hst

Herb & Suds said:

And the solution is R/O water
Seems simple to me

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I use ro water comes out at 6.5 from my system

SpectacularG said:

I use ro water comes out at 6.5 from my system

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You are trying to reinvent the wheel
Maybe your filters need replaced but r/o contains none of the beasties you referenced
The only time I ever had issues of ph fluctuating was really hard water and year old filters

Herb & Suds said:

You are trying to reinvent the wheel
Maybe your filters need replaced but r/o contains none of the beasties you referenced
The only time I ever had issues of ph fluctuating was really hard water and year old filters

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I just bought the system, I believe I couldn't communicate properly what the guy is explaining in the second half of the vid. Its tap water that has those buffering properties while RO being purer will fluctuate ph more. I just checked and less than 48h after nice flushed watering at 1600 ec and 7ph the soil in some plants its a 5.3! Wtf is going on now I am actually concerned.

RO water can pick up acid from carbon in the air (carbonic acid) but it's irrelevant.

I'm looking at your pictures from Monday, the plants look perfect, so I don't see what the problem is

Something I am trying next watering is making the solution the day before because it could be that all that different feeds together may have small reactions in there that lowers ph so I might wanna stabilize that first

SpectacularG said:

Something I am trying next watering is making the solution the day before because it could be that all that different feeds together may have small reactions in there that lowers ph so I might wanna stabilize that first

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You're measuring runoff, correct? If so, the solution is going to change dramatically passing through the medium.

It might just be the excess ions from your previous feed coming out, lowering the PH. You're never going to have the plant eat 100% of what you feed it, its normal for there to be excesses in the runoff.

Tolerance Break said:

You're measuring runoff, correct? If so, the solution is going to change dramatically passing through the medium.

It might just be the excess ions from your previous feed coming out, lowering the PH. You're never going to have the plant eat 100% of what you feed it, its normal for there to be excesses in the runoff.

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Yes last feed soil ph was 5.5 I watered at 7 and runoff was 6.1 but now 36h later is like this o.o

The meter is calibrated and corresponding to the other 4 I got.
You can see the probably P def on lower right leaf

Clones are looking fire tho!

I think I figured out my ph problem, I am using too many acids (duh), I am using humic and fulvic by raw, also full up by raw which is peat and lowers ph as well, on top of that Kelp has humics too and also recharge has humic and fulvic.
Easy fix I'll just reduce and balance them!