Examples of GOP Leadership

DIY-HP-LED

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I'm a little hurt that you've implied I'm stupid too, could we get the collective to vote on that and then we'll have a better idea if it can become true?
Rob, if @rollitup would let me post thread called, is Rob Roy an idiot? And put a poll on it, what do you think the result would be? :lol:
 
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Rob Roy

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Sorry that humans weren't perfect from the beginning, nor are we today, nor will we ever be. What a brilliant expectation.
I don't expect humans to be perfect. Which is why I don't and won't have an imposed leader over me.

To use coercion as a systemic norm, which is what all involuntary governments do, and then expect anything good to come from it, is not brilliant.
 

mooray

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I don't expect humans to be perfect. Which is why I don't and won't have an imposed leader over me.

To use coercion as a systemic norm, which is what all involuntary governments do, and then expect anything good to come from it, is not brilliant.
Sorry that marketing works on people. Have you tried not being around people? Is everything you own from a company which doesn't advertise?

Where do you live, since you somehow live in a place without any leadership? How do they get internet? Or are you lying?
 

schuylaar

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Florida isn't in here..i wonder why..ah! 2024.

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Rob Roy

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Rob, if @rollitup would let me post thread called is Rob Roy an idiot? And put a poll on it, what do you think the result would be? :lol:
Inaccurate or accurate.

It wouldn't matter how the polling went. You are a little causation / correlation deficient, maybe there's a vaccine for that ?
 

schuylaar

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The GOP has no leaders, none. Zero. Zilch. Fuck that Ben Shapiro guy too, what a little candy ass, wanting to mandate fake vaccines, almost as douchy as Trump.

Leaders are voluntarily followed, that's what makes them leaders.

Therefore, an elected politician, who is really a forcibly imposed "leader", cannot be an actual leader, or "leader of the free world" etc.
The correct words would be overseer, guard, con man, charlatan, thief and / or master.

Of course by logical extrapolation the same rationale would apply to Democrat political creatures too. Except they wear two masks, except when they're sneaking out to get their hair done or going to a birthday party. Then they don't wear a mask.

Ron Paul is a nice guy though and wanted to end the drug war that Biden and Harris fought so hard to keep going.
that's why micro-donations from 'we the people' are indicative of who Americans want.
 

Rob Roy

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that's why micro-donations from 'we the people' are indicative of who Americans want.
False dichotomy though. Free people don't have others impose "leaders" (masters) over them.

You can chose a leader for yourself if you like.
 

schuylaar

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The group chooses the leader, you're just in the minority that disagrees, but that doesn't mean your leader is forced upon you, it just means you dissent from the majority, which is fine. It feels like your perspective is a bit narcissistic, thinking quite highly of your value and how society should conform itself to your wishes. In any group of people since the dawn of time, the rough majority decides the rules, more locally, and the rough majority decides who makes the rules, beyond the locality. That's just the only practical way it can be done, because it's not possible to create some rules for some individuals and not for others, since we'd need more people than we have just to manage this nonsensical individual rule handling. If you want to live somewhere where you get to choose how your surroundings are run, you'll have to go somewhere where you're pretty much the only person around.
it is in America.
 

mooray

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False dichotomy though. Free people don't have others impose "leaders" (masters) over them.

You can chose a leader for yourself if you like.
You realize where society would be with all this individualism and all the things you use and participate in which wouldn't have existed? Your continued use of them is hypocritical.
 

schuylaar

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False dichotomy though. Free people don't have others impose "leaders" (masters) over them.

You can chose a leader for yourself if you like.
when you have a country with millions there has to be some sense of organization, Rob..i was always against the Bible but as i get older i realize it is necessary because there would be chaos otherwise. you may not agree with something but often can have value.
 

Rob Roy

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when you have a country with millions there has to be some sense of organization, Rob..i was always against the Bible but as i get older i realize it is necessary because there would be chaos otherwise. you may not agree with something but often can have value.
Should the organization protect and foment voluntary human interactions or should the organization offend voluntary human interactions ?
 

mooray

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Free and peaceful. The horrors.
People have never been peaceful, but don't get me wrong, I don't hate your idea of a society that would essentially keep us at the no-mechanized-transportation and sustenance living forever, it's just that....that's not what this society ever was, nor will it ever be, plus you participate in it and that makes you complacent to the very things you complain about, so they can't be *that* important to you.
 

Rob Roy

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People have never been peaceful,
Some individuals are peaceful. Some are not.

Individuals who defend a system based in coercion are not defending "being peaceful".

People will never have a peaceful society as long as there is a coercion based system of governance. Logic and math insist that I am correct. Therefore if peace, which is different from imposed order, is a desired outcome or state of being, you should not defend a coercion based system.

You can't get to peace by using coercion.
 

mooray

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If you're going to say that my general statement about people not being peaceful is false, by saying some are and some aren't, then surely you must see that anytime a violent person is harming another and is coerced into stopping, then you've acquired peace through coercion, making your statement false as well. If you're going to argue with nonsense angles, then at least button up your own statements a bit.
 
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