Examples of GOP Leadership

CunningCanuk

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As I sit down w/a pair of scissors trimming my summer's work HLN network is running a West Wing marathon. I know it is fictional but it is acclaimed and I believe that if anything it captures the pace, chaos,and complete unpredictability of the day to day operation of the Whitehouse accurately. As I watch these people pivot on a dime to put out fires that pop up out of nowhere it terrifies me that we actually had someone as unhinged and incompetent as Mr. Orange at the helm.Seeing episodes concurrently has vividly made clear to me how fortunate we are as a nation to have survived 4 years w/"that guy" as commander in chief. I feel like the country was floating on a piece of debris in the middle of the ocean,sharks circling, and luckily got picked up by a passing cargo ship.
It was one of the best programs network tv ever produced. An entertaining civics lesson with a great cast. Too bad more Americans don’t watch it.

We can’t stream the series anywhere in Canada so I’m PVR’ing the episodes that are on HLN to watch again later. Surprisingly, my politically inclined American wife hasn’t seen the series. Originally the show was to centre on Rob Lowe’s character but Martin Sheen was so brilliant, it became centred around his character.

Yeah, after starting to watch the series again, I’m also struck by the fact someone like trump actually held that office for 4 years.
 

CCGNZ

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Rudy got the trump bump.

From different accounts I’ve read, Rudy did very little to take down the 5 families. He more or less swept in at the end and took all of the credit.
Rudy got the credit but as always it's the agents in the trenches doing the mundane long hours of recon and cultivating rats that brought down the commission,along w/ all the younger members who held none of the "mustache Petes" methods, mouth shut,low key,no flash etc. Ironically if Rudy would have done the same after 9/11 he wouldn't be where he is today. Guess he was blinded by the orange guy's phony shine,you'd figure w/his background in legalities he'd know enough to keep a safe distance. I mean it didn't take a rocket scientist to know everyone who rubs up against the former Pres. gets stained and that reputation existed prior to 2016. Power and the spotlight are tantalizing and a lot of people don't know when to leave the trough.
 

CunningCanuk

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Rudy got the credit but as always it's the agents in the trenches doing the mundane long hours of recon and cultivating rats that brought down the commission,along w/ all the younger members who held none of the "mustache Petes" methods, mouth shut,low key,no flash etc. Ironically if Rudy would have done the same after 9/11 he wouldn't be where he is today. Guess he was blinded by the orange guy's phony shine,you'd figure w/his background in legalities he'd know enough to keep a safe distance. I mean it didn't take a rocket scientist to know everyone who rubs up against the former Pres. gets stained and that reputation existed prior to 2016. Power and the spotlight are tantalizing and a lot of people don't know when to leave the trough.
I’m m pretty sure alcohol is a common denominator in Rudy’s bad decisions.
 

CCGNZ

Well-Known Member
It was one of the best programs network tv ever produced. An entertaining civics lesson with a great cast. Too bad more Americans don’t watch it.

We can’t stream the series anywhere in Canada so I’m PVR’ing the episodes that are on HLN to watch again later. Surprisingly, my politically inclined American wife hasn’t seen the series. Originally the show was to centre on Rob Lowe’s character but Martin Sheen was so brilliant, it became centred around his character.

Yeah, after starting to watch the series again, I’m also struck by the fact someone like trump actually held that office for 4 years.
That's how it strikes me also,I'm sitting there watching and I just get the chills juxtaposing the Orange guy getting hit w/situations out of nowhere,I also can't visualize that clown in the Situation room,damn. I like how you spell center "parlez vous francais","ca va",J'habite a Massachussets", Je suis ecriter sur Rollitup"
 

CunningCanuk

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That's how it strikes me also,I'm sitting there watching and I just get the chills juxtaposing the Orange guy getting hit w/situations out of nowhere,I also can't visualize that clown in the Situation room,damn. I like how you spell center "parlez vous francais","ca va",J'habite a Massachussets", Je suis ecriter sur Rollitup"
My French is limited but it’s good enough to get me through Quebec without pissing off too many people. ;)
 

schuylaar

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It was one of the best programs network tv ever produced. An entertaining civics lesson with a great cast. Too bad more Americans don’t watch it.

We can’t stream the series anywhere in Canada so I’m PVR’ing the episodes that are on HLN to watch again later. Surprisingly, my politically inclined American wife hasn’t seen the series. Originally the show was to centre on Rob Lowe’s character but Martin Sheen was so brilliant, it became centred around his character.

Yeah, after starting to watch the series again, I’m also struck by the fact someone like trump actually held that office for 4 years.
Because there's enough IRL and those who need to watch aren't their demographic. There was a good series on HBO about life in Silicon and having a house looking for the angel investor..it did extremely well- too well that those who actually experience the life don't want to watch for entertainment..it was canceled.

The last political show I've watched was Our Cartoon President and pretty much the last half only. Nightly pundits brought me back to earth.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
It was one of the best programs network tv ever produced. An entertaining civics lesson with a great cast. Too bad more Americans don’t watch it.

We can’t stream the series anywhere in Canada so I’m PVR’ing the episodes that are on HLN to watch again later. Surprisingly, my politically inclined American wife hasn’t seen the series. Originally the show was to centre on Rob Lowe’s character but Martin Sheen was so brilliant, it became centred around his character.

Yeah, after starting to watch the series again, I’m also struck by the fact someone like trump actually held that office for 4 years.
another really good one is Madam Secretary with Tea Leoni.
 

hanimmal

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-devolder-santos-maga-house-candidate-in-new-york-haunted-by-gig-at-alleged-ponzi-scheme
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A young, gay Republican born in New York City to Brazilian immigrants, congressional candidate George Devolder-Santos has embraced a public image as a “walking, living, breathing contradiction.”

But the would-be successor to Rep. Tom Suozzi (D-New York) seems less eager to share another detail of his personal story: for all his rants against “the swamp,” Devolder-Santos served as a director of an investment firm authorities say bilked millions of dollars from its customers.

Despite running in a solidly blue district, Devolder-Santos has managed to capture media attention with his atypical political identity and fiery denunciations of socialism, as well as his unabashed cheerleading of ex-President Donald Trump.

In January 2021, he lit up LGBTQ outlets and tabloid publications when he claimed his fiancé had lost his job and the couple had to flee their home as a result of the New York Times linking to his Instagram in a story about a maskless New Year’s Eve party at ex-President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort.


More recently, he’s won attention for first bashing Ukraine—where his grandfather was born—as a “totalitarian regime” to the Washington Post, then later urging prayers for the nation in a spot on Fox News.

Despite all the publicity, one fact about Devolder-Santos has eluded scrutiny: the Securities and Exchange Commission accused his most recent employer, Harbor City Capital, last April of operating as a Ponzi scheme that ripped off investors to the tune of $6 million.

According to the federal complaint, Harbor City never allocated more than $449,000 of the $17.1 million it raised from clients toward business expenses. Instead, the SEC said, in classic Ponzi fashion, the company used $6.5 million of those funds to repay early buyers of its securities, misrepresenting those disbursements as returns on investment rather than the money of subsequent buyers-in.

Meanwhile, Harbor City founder Jonathan Maroney allegedly splashed company cash on a $90,000 Mercedes, $1.35 million in credit card bills, $1.6 million on a new house and renovations, plus millions more transferred to his wife and other corporate entities.

We need to bring back Trump!
— George Santos (@Santos4Congress) February 12, 2022
Maroney’s personal lawyer, Mark O’Mara—famous for defending George Zimmerman—did not respond to repeated requests for comment. The case has entered mediation, often a precursor to a settlement, and while not pleading guilty, Maroney has acceded to a freeze of his corporate assets and the appointment of an independent receiver to manage them.

Devolder-Santos, who became Harbor Capital’s New York regional director in June 2020 but was not named in the SEC complaint, denied any knowledge of malfeasance at the firm.

“I’m as distraught and disturbed as everyone else is,” he told The Daily Beast.

The candidate joined the company in the middle of his first attempt at winning Suozzi’s Long Island and Queens-based seat, in which the Republican ultimately fell short by more than 12 points. He said that he exited the company on March 1 of last year, more than a month before the SEC charges hit, after determining the job had constrained his political ambitions.

“I stepped aside from all of my obligations in 2021, and I did not do that previously, and I find that to have hindered the success of my run for office,” he said in a phone interview. “So this time around I premeditated [and] stepped aside from all my working activities, all the board positions I held, including employment with Harbor City and many other things, so I can focus solely on the campaign, so I can get this campaign right and win.”

But Devolder-Santos’s campaign webpage continued to allude to him as Harbor City’s regional director at least as late as last June, two months after the allegations landed, with the site stating that he “oversees the firm’s expansion within the private wealth side of the business.”

The candidate called this an “oversight.” Speaking on the phone, he also asserted that he was “just an account manager” at the company, with no executive power.

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The campaign website’s current incarnation includes no reference to Harbor City, even though it describes the rest of his employment history in detail.

Despite his claim of having forsaken all gainful endeavors, Devolder-Santos has in fact embarked on multiple new business ventures in the past year.

Last May, he incorporated The Devolder Organization in Florida with the help of an accountant who served as Harbor City’s chief financial officer. The Devolder Organization is in turn one of six stakeholders in Red Strategies USA, another firm founded in the Sunshine State that same month. Five of the six companies involved in Red Strategies belong to former Harbor City employees, including the ex-CFO; the last belongs to Devolder-Santos’s campaign treasurer. None of the individuals involved were singled out in the SEC complaint for any alleged misconduct.

“That company too was all the people who were left adrift I tried to help,” Devolder-Santos maintained. “We all got together to start a business, but that was dissolved as well, already.”

But Florida state records show Red Strategies as an active concern, and Federal Election Commission disclosures reveal the firm continued to receive payments from Tina Forte—a QAnon-friendly challenger to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez—through the end of December 2021.

The federally appointed receiver of Harbor City’s accounts told The Daily Beast that they could not provide any information about when the company’s relationship with Devolder-Santos came to an end. But they noted the firm presently has no employees and its assets have been frozen since the SEC brought its case. Devolder-Santos said he “has cooperated with any information I’ve been asked for,” though he would not confirm whether any federal authority had questioned him.

Suozzi is not seeking reelection to his seat, but instead pursuing a longshot bid against New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a fellow Democrat. Devolder-Santos is the only Republican seeking the seat, while a fierce primary is underway on the opposite side of the aisle to replace the moderate Suozzi, with seven candidates battling for the Democratic nomination.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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It was one of the best programs network tv ever produced. An entertaining civics lesson with a great cast. Too bad more Americans don’t watch it.

We can’t stream the series anywhere in Canada so I’m PVR’ing the episodes that are on HLN to watch again later. Surprisingly, my politically inclined American wife hasn’t seen the series. Originally the show was to centre on Rob Lowe’s character but Martin Sheen was so brilliant, it became centred around his character.

Yeah, after starting to watch the series again, I’m also struck by the fact someone like trump actually held that office for 4 years.
it shouldn't strike you that much...he didn't do all of the shit martin sheen's character did, he let the country go to shit, barely holding it together with staples and post it notes. on a scale of 1 to 100, trump didn't score over a 20 in any category...except being a treasonous slug...he aced that motherfucker.
our post office is run by a political hack appointed by trump and bureaucratic rules prevent his removal without it becoming some kind of major confrontation, our courts have been packed with politically biased hand picked trump supplicants, business was allowed to run basically uncontrolled for 4 years, and still have way too much leeway. he further gutted the IRS so that he and his rich friends could continue to cheat the country they served out of the taxes they owe...
he's was no fucking martin sheen...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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…it would also have given Chump the excuse he needed for the Insurrection act - he’d still be in power…and we’d still be under martial law
or the democrats would have called in the national guard and trump and his cronies would be sitting in cells right now...
some would have followed the office, but i think many more would have refused his obviously illegal orders and stopped him.
there are a lot of good leaders in the national guard.
https://dc.ng.mil/News/Biographies/Article/1507876/major-general-sherrie-l-mccandless/
i could be wrong, but i'd like to think that someone with a record like that wouldn't have blindly followed a clearly illegal order, and indeed would have stopped trump's fuckery...
 
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