BongerChonger
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I don't know how to feel about Arijan and the Strain Hunter crew. I don't think they ruined any Landraces, so to speak, though. I think those truly untouched plants are long gone.
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What do you mean by “breed true?”
Sorry to hijack
Yes, so you understand the sad sad truth about cannabis genetics and where they are right now and why so many older heads, especially breeders are scared.. soon all you'll have are cookies crappy ultra-poly's..By your definition there are only less than 20 true F1’s, so basically every breeder is calling it wrong.
you will notice more often now you just get a strain name instead of a strain name and "F" number
How long have you been in the game? Denoting the F generation is a relatively new concept in weed. SSSC never stated the generation, Sensi, Serious, Greenhouse, Amsterdam in general never stated the generation. We just bought their seeds because A. We could and had no where else to go and B.. We saw pics and articles in magazines. Those days are long gone.
Denoting the F generation is a selling point for breeders and seed growers alike (hype will also sell a lot of seeds). It shows the work the breeder did, you’re putting you trust in that breeder to make good selections and put out a quality strain.
By F3/F4 iyou can call a cross a strain. If it was a BX4 it’s be ~93% the original mom. I currently have a cross at F2 I’m taking deeper, I already have a name for it but the F1, F2 don’ get that name.
How would you propose breeders label their crosses they’re working, what would work for you?
Only some places are so luckily they didnt get to all the good places they certainly messed with malana valley and bits of south africa and also Jamaica to a certain extent now they in thailand too give it time there but there is still some pure smaller pockets even in India and the like but there few and far between and becoming rarer by the day India and nepal are especially getting hit bad with hybrids these days jamaica been so for years already as well and south africa is full of greenhouse cheese s1s i dont agree with there ethics at all personally not saying all there stuffs bad just there morals/business model there assholes who pollute countrys of source so others cant have it pure pretty much imo they deny it yet continue to do it so take what you want from thatI don't know how to feel about Arijan and the Strain Hunter crew. I don't think they ruined any Landraces, so to speak, though. I think those truly untouched plants are long gone.
give us all your landrace, heirlooms and otherwise pure seeds, here's some cookies..i dont agree with there ethics at all personally not saying all there stuffs bad just there morals/business model there assholes who pollute countrys of source so others cant have it pure pretty much imo they deny it yet continue to do it so take what you want from that
Sady yes and u cant blame the farmers so much they dont all realise what they got till its lost there just trying to provide for there family and such its no hobby to these guys they get a higher price for hybrid weed in India and nepal etc vs there own traditional stuff so its hard for many to resist to me companies like ghs have a touch of colonialism about themgive us all your landrace, heirlooms and otherwise pure seeds, here's some cookies..![]()
I'll reserve how I feel about the Strain Hunter crew. I have my own gripes too.Only some places are so luckily they didnt get to all the good places they certainly messed with malana valley and bits of south africa and also Jamaica to a certain extent now they in thailand too give it time there but there is still some pure smaller pockets even in India and the like but there few and far between and becoming rarer by the day India and nepal are especially getting hit bad with hybrids these days jamaica been so for years already as well and south africa is full of greenhouse cheese s1s i dont agree with there ethics at all personally not saying all there stuffs bad just there morals/business model there assholes who pollute countrys of source so others cant have it pure pretty much imo they deny it yet continue to do it so take what you want from that
Yeah, but...you're asking for more of the same problem if everyone in the world starts getting all these rare seeds.give us all your landrace, heirlooms and otherwise pure seeds, here's some cookies..![]()
on a side note, any updates on your projects? I have seen Blue Satellite Redux and Simon’s Quest mentioned on other forums, are you still working these lines?
Whats not exactly landrace ? Well it wont be now if ghs has polluted it obviously also they may do some charity they call it lol but no wonder the amount of money they make off the backs of these farmers kinda least they can doI'll reserve how I feel about the Strain Hunter crew. I have my own gripes too.
Yes.
But...they're not Landrace, really, they're just groups of farmers, growing the same seed, year to year.
Obviously still lots of trade that happens and probably has for thousands of years.
I just mean, in that sense, nothing's really changed.
The Church project for instance helped the farmers improve their yield and disease resistance.
Benefited the farmers and the crops.
The local seed will eventually take over again, after a while.
Would take a lot more than that for Church to take over. It's hundreds, thousands of years, vs a very small fraction of time.
To me, it's the farming practices the locals are doing right for inbred seed, often without meaning to.
They're just sprouting seeds and growing a crop, year to year.
But, it's the large fields of plants in those local environments, seeding itself each year.
Whether or not intentional on the growers part, it's better breeding, if what you want is inbred seed.
Modern Cannabis, there's too much reliance on finding 1 nice female, 1 nice male, crossing them and calling it "F1 Bubble Pop" or whatever.
Or using 1 good male to hit a whole room of different female cultivars.
It's not good for the genetics and probably much of what you guys are on about? (I think)
But that's from a breeding stand-point, not necessarily a commercial one.
In many ways it's good those same breeders get to hold onto their favourite cuts and seeds, without having to share.
It's a relatively simple way of getting much the same resulting seed each time too.
Saves on money and time.
And, growers who enjoyed F1 Bubble Pop, will come back to grow some again, because the F2s won't be the same.
Yeah, but...you're asking for more of the same problem if everyone in the world starts getting all these rare seeds.
It's the commercial weed industry that's mostly the problem. Every consumer wants the new cookie flavour.
Blame the consumer.
It's availability not scarcity that's the problem.
It's from UFO Genetics, called Breakthrough (mendo breath f2 x grateful breath f2).Is a (mendo breath f2 x grateful breath f2)
not a f1 Generation of this cross or do u mean a f2 of this cross
Indeedjust curious, are you planning to run UFO GENETICS – Break through - Grateful Breath f2 X Mendo Breath f2?
For $40 a pack I figure I could afford a decent head count and get lucky. I have smoked both parents and grown one, both produce exquisite bud with common lineage so it should be a nice pairing, right?Indeed
I did something similar with Chron Don's Fire Berries (blueberry x xxx)xFire Alien Kush. Caught them on sale for around $20 a pack. Hunted five packs and found some amazing plants.
Way i see it every seed pack should have at least one keeper in it however unicorn level type plants that are on a whole other level/league of there own those are way rarer unless you get lucky of course those usually take lots of numbers to findAs far as advice goes:
I would say you are not on an f2 pheno hunt.
You are poly hybrid pheno hunting.
It’s all the same game anyway.
If you are running poly’s or f-gen or Bx1,2,3 or landrace it’s ALL about the 10% rule.
The best plants are in the 10% no matter what you run.
You sound like you are already killing it if you run up to five packs to find the few amazing plants.
Way i see it every seed pack should have at least one keeper in it however unicorn level type plants that are on a whole other level/league of there own those are way rarer unless you get lucky of course those usually take lots of numbers to find
5150 has many other meanings from being a van halen album to emergency 72-hour hold for mental illness and much more, I doubt it refers to which plant they used, also never trust a breeders number, some inflate their numbers by starting counting at higher numbers, for example, starting at 300 and each plant after being 301, 302, etc instead of just saying 1, 2, 3.. this (the last I read) was being done to make people believe they went through far more plants to make their selection to make it seem like more work was done in the line..Indeed sir. You know these breeders selling five packs of regs have me ready to call bullshit on that practice because as you say a pack should hold the promise of ‘one keeper’.
I have yet to see any breeders say how many packs you need to find the unicorns. They just want people to think they will get one in a five pack or ten pack.
I mean CSI has an S1 Triangle kush cut they call 5150. So was that plant number 5150? So over 5000 got run to find a better version of the parent?? That’s hardcore if that’s the case.