Fans for stem strength
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phyzix
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I believe it was Ghandi that said this first
crunkyeah
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I think I'm with JN811 on this one..as long as you have FRESH air you're going to do fine. The plants I have have NEVER had direct contact with my fan, it's too strong for them even on low. Keeps my CFLs cool though and supplies tons of fresh air. And for the record, the plant on the right has a wicked strong stem, it's the rootbase that made the plant all tipsy, even in that smaller pot the rootbase made it wanted to slouch(before that pot it was in a 2L plastic bottle, NO problems with standing up on it's own. I think it was transition from really narrow to really wide that made it tipsy)
Either way, my stems are thick and my plants don't have fans blowing on them. You can see in my grow if you want to look..they haven't been affected by lack of wind. And they chug water like champs!
I don't believe wind is NEEDED for stem strengthening. I think fresh still air will do just fine. You just need replacement for the air that the plants use.
My $0.02.
Either way, my stems are thick and my plants don't have fans blowing on them. You can see in my grow if you want to look..they haven't been affected by lack of wind. And they chug water like champs!
I don't believe wind is NEEDED for stem strengthening. I think fresh still air will do just fine. You just need replacement for the air that the plants use.
My $0.02.
TheBone1234
Member
Totally with you here...peaceBelieve what you want JN811.
Wind does indeed improve the density of the stem/branches of ANY plant in the universe.
How ridiculous.. Im outta here.
JN811
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I just stated my opinion which was told to me by people with more experience than ANYONE on this thread minus FDD.. You can take it or leave it.. I could care less
btw FDD do you search ur name, cause I notice that everytime someone mentions it *poof* you appear
here is my grow closet... notice all the fans but there main purpose is to circulate air, dry soil quicker, and mainly control temps.. not strengthen stems... because my stems would be equal size with or without them...
btw FDD do you search ur name, cause I notice that everytime someone mentions it *poof* you appear
here is my grow closet... notice all the fans
but there main purpose is to circulate air, dry soil quicker, and mainly control temps.. not strengthen stems... because my stems would be equal size with or without them... 
StaySmokin206
Active Member
Lol @ another debate in the greenhouse
crunkyeah
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Hey promitius, I'm agreeing with you that plants in nature are stronger than plants indoors. I do however have to ask how you can be sure it's the wind that strengthens the plants and not the intense light coming from the sun? I'm not saying that wind doesn't play a role in nature, but to say that wind is the ONLY reason that outdoor plants are stronger is just ignorant.
Don't take this as a flame war though, I mean no disrespect. I'm just curiously questioning why it's WIND only that makes plants stronger. I really don't believe this is so. The plants in nature receive more sunlight. In turn the roots must expand to find water for the leaves(so they can keep photosynthesizing and not shrivel up). This in turn creates thicker cell walls in the stem to allow for more water passage to the top of the plant where the new shoots are coming out. This is just basic plant anatomy. I'm not discerning the fact that wind may help plants in nature. I'm just saying, if there was no wind(theoretically speaking of course) plants would still have thick stems.
Don't take this as a flame war though, I mean no disrespect. I'm just curiously questioning why it's WIND only that makes plants stronger. I really don't believe this is so. The plants in nature receive more sunlight. In turn the roots must expand to find water for the leaves(so they can keep photosynthesizing and not shrivel up). This in turn creates thicker cell walls in the stem to allow for more water passage to the top of the plant where the new shoots are coming out. This is just basic plant anatomy. I'm not discerning the fact that wind may help plants in nature. I'm just saying, if there was no wind(theoretically speaking of course) plants would still have thick stems.
brothafromanothaplanet
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Maybe you should JN811, we might get banned, or written up for contacting FDD2BLK, for whatever reason.
JN811
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good point.. name calling will win this argument.. grow up.. your just wasting space once again.. OH IT DEFINETLY DOES CAUSE PROMITIUS SAYS SO!! .. why say anything.. u dont look smart because you voiced an empty opinion
I love it how ppl call me arrogant cause I understand botany and can grow great bud and a ton of it... must be the fans 
we need to group this thread together with the feminized hermy seed thread and the 2 weeks of dark before harvest thread.
did everyone suddenly forget how to grow good dope?
plz... fdd explain what u mean.. whats ur stance.. maybe u can talk some sense to them...
JN811
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omg promitius LMFAO I know where i know you from you are the one who grows BC elephant hahahahhaha $500 seeds with LEDS LMFAO OMG you are a gimmick grower
12/12 already^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ hahahahahahahahhahahahaha too funny you got me cracking up... thanks for the laugh..
i went to bc and they are CLOSED check this out...
CLOSED FOR THE SUMMER ...
WE ARE GOING ON VACATION - NO NEED TO PANIC. We are not currently accepting new orders. This will not affect any previous orders. Our email is not currently available. If you have an emergency just send us a snail mail or wait till we return and the site is back up. Thank you.
You KNOW thats code for :
"we're having legal issues for SCAMMING SOOOOO MANY gimmick GROWERS... Now we're gonna take the $$$ and run..."
plz tell me how to grow.. i would LOVE ur advice go back to the Newbie central you have no business being here..
you are the one who grows BC elephant hahahahhaha $500 seeds with LEDS LMFAO OMG you are a gimmick grower 
12/12 already^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ hahahahahahahahhahahahaha too funny you got me cracking up... thanks for the laugh..
i went to bc and they are CLOSED check this out...
WE ARE GOING ON VACATION - NO NEED TO PANIC. We are not currently accepting new orders. This will not affect any previous orders. Our email is not currently available. If you have an emergency just send us a snail mail or wait till we return and the site is back up. Thank you.
You KNOW thats code for :
"we're having legal issues for SCAMMING SOOOOO MANY gimmick GROWERS... Now we're gonna take the $$$ and run...
" plz tell me how to grow.. i would LOVE ur advice
go back to the Newbie central you have no business being here..
Anonymouse
Active Member
I have fans on my plants when they're about 10 days old, the stronger your plant the better. Good to rotate/turn your plants in the garden regularly.
Brick Top
New Member
I have seen this same topic of discussion many, many times over the years but people keep debating it. It is threads like this that make me wish growers would learn a bit of botany.
Very simply and very basically put, tree trunks and bush and plant stems will all sense pressure they are under and if needed they will adapt their growth, they will grow more/larger/stronger in the way or ways needed. Depending on what sort of stress a main-stem is under its growth will be different, along with much of the entire plant for that fact if conditions would be severe enough.
Lateral movement caused by wind, the side to side, back and forth, twisting and turning, pushing and pulling stimulates growth in plant main-stems and the same in bushes and the same in tree trunks. It is a scientifically proven fact … so learn it, live it, love it ……. and then for the love of Hannah, stop arguing over if it actually happens or not.
If the wind always comes from one direction an involuntary growth pattern called flagging can occur but that takes fairly high winds before a real problem would develop and it is unlikely that anyone would put that much air movement into/through their plants. In severe cases growth on one side of the plant can either die or just not develop and most to all growth will be on the other side of the plant and in a direction away from the wind, and the plant will of course lean in the same direction. No one will ever have such conditions in an indoor grow-room. You might see that growing outdoors depending on if where you live has the unique conditions needed to cause it. But it is a growth reaction caused by wind.
If winds are high but not primarily from any one direction another growth pattern will be seen, It is called thigmomorphogenesis. The least protected plants, those taking the worst of the wind, will have shorter stockier growth and those more protected will grow taller and be more branched out.
So what is wanted is light to moderate air movement that does not always come from the same direction and the results will be thicker stronger stems and more uniform growth.
Very simply and very basically put, tree trunks and bush and plant stems will all sense pressure they are under and if needed they will adapt their growth, they will grow more/larger/stronger in the way or ways needed. Depending on what sort of stress a main-stem is under its growth will be different, along with much of the entire plant for that fact if conditions would be severe enough.
Lateral movement caused by wind, the side to side, back and forth, twisting and turning, pushing and pulling stimulates growth in plant main-stems and the same in bushes and the same in tree trunks. It is a scientifically proven fact … so learn it, live it, love it ……. and then for the love of Hannah, stop arguing over if it actually happens or not.
If the wind always comes from one direction an involuntary growth pattern called flagging can occur but that takes fairly high winds before a real problem would develop and it is unlikely that anyone would put that much air movement into/through their plants. In severe cases growth on one side of the plant can either die or just not develop and most to all growth will be on the other side of the plant and in a direction away from the wind, and the plant will of course lean in the same direction. No one will ever have such conditions in an indoor grow-room. You might see that growing outdoors depending on if where you live has the unique conditions needed to cause it. But it is a growth reaction caused by wind.
If winds are high but not primarily from any one direction another growth pattern will be seen, It is called thigmomorphogenesis. The least protected plants, those taking the worst of the wind, will have shorter stockier growth and those more protected will grow taller and be more branched out.
So what is wanted is light to moderate air movement that does not always come from the same direction and the results will be thicker stronger stems and more uniform growth.
JN811
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thanks for the info. honestly I dont think my stems need to be any stronger than they currently are, or could be with the addition of fans.. I couldnt break them with my hands so they are strong enough in my opinion.. but pointing a fan on plants constantly can also dry leaves out and slow flowering... just another fact.. making ur stems stronger will not increase ur yield.. anyways thanks for some info with content.. but Im sure you can agree lighting will affect stem growth at least as much, in my opinion, way more than wind...
Do you guys think the weight of a branch on a marijuana plant can become heavy enough quickly enough to become a problem? *Is it possible for buds to grow quickly enough that the stem/branch cannot strengthen itself at a proper rate and collapse? *Do stems still thicken and strengthen much after the first couple weeks of flowering?
JN811
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they wont collapse but they can def. snap off when moved.. Last grow i had that happen a couple of times when they got entangled with others. If this is a concern buy some twine and tie them to the main stem.. This grow my branches are all much stronger.. I think its dependent on the strain, nutes, lighting, ect.. and yea I think branches continue to strengthen throughout flowering.
NirvAnamation
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Thank you.