Farmer's market may have troubles...

abe supercro said:

ok so a few ppl hide behind medical cards and a few jerks flaunt it and it doesn't look good for the rest of us. Trying to change that would be like melting a glacier with the fierce grip of my stronger arm... it's never gonna happen. Of course they point their finger at the fringe elements, it's all part of their alibi and you bought-in completely...

the reason MI is changing or defining the laws is not because of foolish stoners, but more simply because laws makers and cops/attorney general does not like the law and freedoms included from the word go. they want to tax and create tighter constraints so business gets better in the form of arrests and fines.

the hippy making us all look bad is just a way to publicly demonstrate your prejustice and justify it. I empathize with you Bob, not because of your views on this per se, but because that battle that you choose wage is a losing on from the second you open the gate. you and no cop will ever change human nature. We are all diverse... Thankfully

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I respectfully dis agree.

It's more than a few..it's most. I don't buy into what I hear..I buy into what I see. Before the dispensary shut downs, I visited as many as I could..just to see what was up. I saw a continual line of mostly young people, buying weed then lighting up in the car in the parking lot giggling like schoolgirls.

I saw giant cannabis leaves and tye dye everywhere. Not a modicum of dignity or respect. Yes, I saw some well run places too...but they were by far a minority. Medication Stations inside the dispensary? that's a party, not medicating.

They are changing the law, clarifying it, because every pimple face kid with a grow light became a cg..maxed his count and went into bizniz...Most people see what they want to see. I trained myself to look at things with my eyes..not my beliefs or wants. It's how I climbed the corporate ladder..I saw things others didn't. Does the State want to tax medical cannabis? of course, and they should. Most growers are making bank and would never consider paying taxes..goes with their anti-government views. Why should it not be treated as any other industry or business?

Forums are a very small representation of the true thought out in the public. I play on this one, because someone has to keep idiots like Timmahh and his anti everything crowd in check.

Plus it's fun watching the see through stoners try and justify their view.

This merits revisiting another day when more alert. yes, the majority of medical cardholders do happen to be late teen to mid-twenties, and I aspire to not be ageist, however some of the decisions associated hasn't helped how our movement has been publicly viewed.

One more thing besides some form of taxation being ok, certainly. IMO, if you do not believe that authorities won't abuse new tighter parameters defined somewhat by themselves for themselves, then you may not be much of an advocate for human rights because the collateral damage that may result could affect us all.

you make it sound like you are slumming it here, maybe I'm being subjective ha, but it would be somewhat odd to be overly critical of a forum in which you yourself reside in a way..

Bob you're describing the rallies that got held to help make the initiative a law. you love to kill your trench-mate whenever possible.

Well Bob likes to overgeneralize and catergorize us all; so here's my two cents:

Parkinsons makes people angry, apt to argue for the 'fun' of it, and eventually gets the bearer into trouble for it.
Bob has to argue against common sense in a marijuana forum IMO.

He has to feel better than us; it's all he has left.
So don't take it personal man; that's his domain.

FatMarty said:

Well Bob likes to overgeneralize and catergorize us all; so here's my two cents:

Parkinsons makes people angry, apt to argue for the 'fun' of it, and eventually gets the bearer into trouble for it.
Bob has to argue against common sense in a marijuana forum IMO.

He has to feel better than us; it's all he has left.
So don't take it personal man; that's his domain.

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No, I keep an open mind. It's the majority of anti government zealots on here that refuse to listen to logic. They are the ones who get angry, and eventually in trouble with the law.

Bob I dunno if you are doing a bit or you really are an asshole..the government is corrupt and dirty as hell..they don't give a fuck about you or me..they only want your money and freedom ..wake up

Corso312 said:

Bob I dunno if you are doing a bit or you really are an asshole..the government is corrupt and dirty as hell..they don't give a fuck about you or me..they only want your money and freedom ..wake up

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I'm certainly an asshole to people that believe in anarchy over government....just as they are assholes to me.

There has been, and will always be "government". Be it a dictator pressing his will through brute force. An elected body, or simply the guy with the most guns.

Those who think that government should cease, have no grasp on reality.

All in power, since the beginning of time have been accused of the things you say about our current Government. The same will hold true in the future.

Trying to look out for the good of the many, while trying to honor the wishes of the few is an impossible task.

Unfortunatly, as commander Spock once said: "the good of the many, outweigh the good of the few, or, the one"

A concept that few on this forum grasp.

bob harris said:

No, I keep an open mind. As open as a closed trap it with dead prey in it. It's the majority of anti government zealots on here that refuse to listen to logic. They are the ones who get angry, and eventually in trouble with the law.

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there we go with that displaced illusion. your just upset your wrong, you know you wrong, and we know you know your wrong. Good thing we can think for ourselves.
instead of calling you bob, I am just going to call you MittBob, or maybe Billybongybob. ya that works, Billybongybob harris it is.

Cory and trevor said:

Bob you're describing the rallies that got held to help make the initiative a law. you love to kill your trench-mate whenever possible.

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I was at a lot of the rallies. There were always two groups..the larger, more conservative pro cannabis people, and the smaller radical supporters in the group you would be in. The large group got things done, while the small group embarrassed us all.

That same embarrassing small group is now defeating what we earned..with there entitled cry of "we want more". They have shown no thanks for what has been earned, done little of the meaningful work..and demand the lions share of the spoils.

Corey, you ARE the guy that hits people on crutches..that's all anyone needs to know about you....

Timmahh said:

there we go with that displaced illusion. your just upset your wrong, you know you wrong, and we know you know your wrong. Good thing we can think for ourselves.
instead of calling you bob, I am just going to call you MittBob, or maybe Billybongybob. ya that works, Billybongybob harris it is.

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Whatever you need...little Joe.

abe supercro said:

This merits revisiting another day when more alert. yes, the majority of medical cardholders do happen to be late teen to mid-twenties, and I aspire to not be ageist, however some of the decisions associated hasn't helped how our movement has been publicly viewed.

One more thing besides some form of taxation being ok, certainly. IMO, if you do not believe that authorities won't abuse new tighter parameters defined somewhat by themselves for themselves, then you may not be much of an advocate for human rights because the collateral damage that may result could affect us all.

you make it sound like you are slumming it here, maybe I'm being subjective ha, but it would be somewhat odd to be overly critical of a forum in which you yourself reside in a way..

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Well..I'm not overly critical of the forum, Just of Timmah and his drones, Corey and Ozz. Their arguments are paranoid, delusional, anti-governmental and entitlement based.

Timmaah's got an opinion on why farmers markets should be the choice over dispensaries that has logic that makes my brain bleed. he is obviously a Joe Cain trainee. He claims 'for the patient" yet is transparently more for the open and uncontrolled selling of cannabis to anyone from anyone, than with patients having consistent, easy access to meds.

I don't care for the FM model. But when given the choice of one or the other (between FM'S or dispensaries) dispensaries win hands down.

FM"s may be fun..but as a sole distribution model? How would a once a week market..that travels around, benifit patients in relation to access? dispensaries stay put and operate 7 days if they wish. Easy access..when the patient needs it.

Timmahs FM ideal is based on his Joe Cain Training. Let the growers make money, charge them for spaces, keep grading of weed out of the picture, and above all make sure no one has to pay taxes.

His beliefs are not based on the good of the patient ever. He uses the patient to justify his position, But his true position is whatever would piss off the establishment most. Ideally, an under ground, tax free cannabis economy, so that he and his like thinkers can make huge money, pay no taxes and free themselves from being held down by the man.

His goal has nothing to do with medical cannabis..it's merely a vehicle for him to get "the man".

abe supercro said:

This merits revisiting another day when more alert. yes, the majority of medical cardholders do happen to be late teen to mid-twenties, and I aspire to not be ageist, however some of the decisions associated hasn't helped how our movement has been publicly viewed.

One more thing besides some form of taxation being ok, certainly. IMO, if you do not believe that authorities won't abuse new tighter parameters defined somewhat by themselves for themselves, then you may not be much of an advocate for human rights because the collateral damage that may result could affect us all.

you make it sound like you are slumming it here, maybe I'm being subjective ha, but it would be somewhat odd to be overly critical of a forum in which you yourself reside in a way..

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Well..I'm not overly critical of the forum, Just of Timmah and his drones, Corey and Ozz. Their arguments are paranoid, delusional, anti-governmental and entitlement based.

Timmaah's got an opinion on why farmers markets should be the choice over dispensaries that has logic that makes my brain bleed. he is obviously a Joe Cain trainee. He claims 'for the patient" yet is transparently more for the open and uncontrolled selling of cannabis to anyone from anyone, than with patients having consistent, easy access to meds.

I don't care for the FM model. But when given the choice of one or the other (between FM'S or dispensaries) dispensaries win hands down.

FM"s may be fun..but as a sole distribution model? How would a once a week market..that travels around, benifit patients in relation to access? dispensaries stay put and operate 7 days if they wish. Easy access..when the patient needs it.

Timmahs FM ideal is based on his Joe Cain Training. Let the growers make money, charge them for spaces, keep grading of weed out of the picture, and above all make sure no one has to pay taxes.

His beliefs are not based on the good of the patient ever. He uses the patient to justify his position, But his true position is whatever would piss off the establishment most. Ideally, an under ground, tax free cannabis economy, so that he and his like thinkers can make huge money, pay no taxes and free themselves from being held down by the man.

His goal has nothing to do with medical cannabis..it's merely a vehicle for him to get "the man".

The guy is one bad day away from bombing a Federal building..he is dangerous.

I think your dislike for Joe Cain, Timmahh, and/or 3MA has clouded your judgement on "the concept" of a farmer's market. I shouldn't need to point of that farmer's market have been very fair and very successful before medical marijuana and the Jackson Market. A patient having safe access to safe meds from several growers is better than one store that can tell you anything they want. Dispensaries are much more expensive and you are suggesting that every patient should pay direct overhead and salaries. I think they are both important and beneficial but to say the dispensary is better for the patient is wrong. That is not correct, at all. I drive out of my way when I travel to hit as many dispensaries as I can. Only a few have offered tested meds, they ALL have been expensive as fuck, and another thing that may really really piss you off about dispensaries, is that people are happy there too!! As bitter of an old man as you have sounded lately, I actually think your distribution model would be hospitals only.

gladstoned said:

I think your dislike for Joe Cain, Timmahh, and/or 3MA has clouded your judgement on "the concept" of a farmer's market. I shouldn't need to point of that farmer's market have been very fair and very successful before medical marijuana and the Jackson Market. A patient having safe access to safe meds from several growers is better than one store that can tell you anything they want. Dispensaries are much more expensive and you are suggesting that every patient should pay direct overhead and salaries. I think they are both important and beneficial but to say the dispensary is better for the patient is wrong. That is not correct, at all. I drive out of my way when I travel to hit as many dispensaries as I can. Only a few have offered tested meds, they ALL have been expensive as fuck, and another thing that may really really piss you off about dispensaries, is that people are happy there too!! As bitter of an old man as you have sounded lately, I actually think your distribution model would be hospitals only.

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If dispensaries and FM's were BOTH allowed..we would have no quarrel. But I highly doubt that will happen. I'd still prefer dispensaries..but everyone would be happy. The other issue is how the SC rules on p2p. Farmers markets are instantly out of the picture unless the SC rules any card holder can transfer to any card holder, cg relationship or not. With the added ruling that a CG may in fact, sell purpose grow overages that the patient care giver agreement somehow gave the cg the right to do.

If we get Timmahh's version of p2p, dispensaries, AND markets...well get a card and cannabis is totally unrestricted..medicate, grow. sell, buy, trade..in effect get a card and cannabis is totally legal.

Does anyone truly believe that that was the intent of the people when this law was voted in? Or that it is likely to happen? Wish in one hand and shit in the other..tell me which one gets full first.

gladstoned said:

I think your dislike for Joe Cain, Timmahh, and/or 3MA has clouded your judgement on "the concept" of a farmer's market. I shouldn't need to point of that farmer's market have been very fair and very successful before medical marijuana and the Jackson Market. A patient having safe access to safe meds from several growers is better than one store that can tell you anything they want. Dispensaries are much more expensive and you are suggesting that every patient should pay direct overhead and salaries. I think they are both important and beneficial but to say the dispensary is better for the patient is wrong. That is not correct, at all. I drive out of my way when I travel to hit as many dispensaries as I can. Only a few have offered tested meds, they ALL have been expensive as fuck, and another thing that may really really piss you off about dispensaries, is that people are happy there too!! As bitter of an old man as you have sounded lately, I actually think your distribution model would be hospitals only.

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To answer why I prefer dispensaries if it comes down to a choice of dispensary OR Markets.

Markets are once a week..gonna get growers to show up at the same place every day? Shouldn't patients have access to meds every day..why only once a week.
Markets are going to be hard to organize in enough areas to serve the entire State. Can you imagine trying to get enough growers from enough places to have markets running in all cities, even once per week? I can't..Patients should not be forced to travel to buy meds.
Markets have the appearance of a "party" to the general populace. The general populace doesn't think of anything "medical"..being at a "market"..especially where medicine is involved.
Taxes. The transfer of meds is a business and will be taxed. It's only fair. Easy to collect taxes from brick and mortar..not so much at a market..in out all cash.
Fed involvement. Timmahh states that are more likely to raid brick and mortar. Untrue. They raid more often that not, for tax evasion reasons. A market only system would invite more State and Federal eyes due to the complexity of accounting for the money trail. Timmahhs reasoning is self serving on this issue.
Timmah also states that Markets are more what the voter intended, and that the general populace would be more offended visualy by dispensaries than Markets. Again, both self serving statement.
The general populace would prefer dispensaries that look like any other office space. No tie dye, no pot leaves. Discreet and un noticed.
The general populace would view markets as a party. The general populace hears "medical' as in "medical cannabis" (the thing they voted in) And thinks professional, clean, discreet, and generally out of sight. Not market, or street fair.

Disagree if you wish..but those are my views.

gladstoned said:

I think your dislike for Joe Cain, Timmahh, and/or 3MA has clouded your judgement on "the concept" of a farmer's market. I shouldn't need to point of that farmer's market have been very fair and very successful before medical marijuana and the Jackson Market. A patient having safe access to safe meds from several growers is better than one store that can tell you anything they want. Dispensaries are much more expensive and you are suggesting that every patient should pay direct overhead and salaries. I think they are both important and beneficial but to say the dispensary is better for the patient is wrong. That is not correct, at all. I drive out of my way when I travel to hit as many dispensaries as I can. Only a few have offered tested meds, they ALL have been expensive as fuck, and another thing that may really really piss you off about dispensaries, is that people are happy there too!! As bitter of an old man as you have sounded lately, I actually think your distribution model would be hospitals only.

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Conneticut's distribution is going to be Dr. prescription, 1 month supply, filled at pharmacy..just like real medicine....Now that's tough...actually need the Dr to write a new scrip every month...whooo, that's tougher to swallow.

people there must be pissed. A med law that treats medical cannabis like...well...like medicine.

gladstoned said:

I think your dislike for Joe Cain, Timmahh, and/or 3MA has clouded your judgement on "the concept" of a farmer's market. I shouldn't need to point of that farmer's market have been very fair and very successful before medical marijuana and the Jackson Market. A patient having safe access to safe meds from several growers is better than one store that can tell you anything they want. Dispensaries are much more expensive and you are suggesting that every patient should pay direct overhead and salaries. I think they are both important and beneficial but to say the dispensary is better for the patient is wrong. That is not correct, at all. I drive out of my way when I travel to hit as many dispensaries as I can. Only a few have offered tested meds, they ALL have been expensive as fuck, and another thing that may really really piss you off about dispensaries, is that people are happy there too!! As bitter of an old man as you have sounded lately, I actually think your distribution model would be hospitals only.

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THIS. QFT.

bob has his head up joe and timmah's ass clearly. his concept of farmer's markets are deluded.

from a consumer aspect, it is all about choice.

glad is right about price and FM's usually have to cheapest and better quality meds i have seen throughout the state.


not only that. no limit to persons in "the bud room" and i could have long conversation with the people who grew it about how and what they used.


lemme go talk to monsanto at the farmer's markets where i get my produce and ask them about the genetically modified crap they throw in. clearly this cannot happen.
and it wouldn't be able to happen with my beloved meds if it were dispensary controlled and how as a consumer am i supposed to find out whether it is safe for me or not?

i'm doing my very best to move away from your commercial style of life - i HATE buying produce from grocery stores. we have a real farmer's market in town and would much rather buy that fresh stuff and learn a bit about how it was grown.

bob harris said:

If dispensaries and FM's were BOTH allowed..we would have no quarrel. But I highly doubt that will happen. I'd still prefer dispensaries..but everyone would be happy. The other issue is how the SC rules on p2p. Farmers markets are instantly out of the picture unless the SC rules any card holder can transfer to any card holder, cg relationship or not. With the added ruling that a CG may in fact, sell purpose grow overages that the patient care giver agreement somehow gave the cg the right to do.

If we get Timmahh's version of p2p, dispensaries, AND markets...well get a card and cannabis is totally unrestricted..medicate, grow. sell, buy, trade..in effect get a card and cannabis is totally legal.

Does anyone truly believe that that was the intent of the people when this law was voted in? Or that it is likely to happen? Wish in one hand and shit in the other..tell me which one gets full first.

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That was my intent when I voted. One step closer to legal.
I believe the will of the people is, who gives a shit if someone smoke some weed, this has gone on long enough.

Whether you are a med. smoker, or just a good ol' fashioned head, You do not deserve to be harassed, locked up, or even made to suffer with ridiculous fines, classes, piss test, probation, anything, because you want to relax after a hard days work.

Why should anyone have to look for weed?

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That was my intent when I voted. One step closer to legal.
I believe the will of the people is, who gives a shit if someone smoke some weed, this has gone on long enough.

Whether you are a med. smoker, or just a good ol' fashioned head, You do not deserve to be harassed, locked up, or even made to suffer with ridiculous fines, classes, piss test, probation, anything, because you want to relax after a hard days work.

Why should anyone have to look for weed?

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You may believe that...I don't. 3.5 million people voted in the med law. I believe the majority of those voted for exactly that, Medical use, for patients with Chronic and debilitating conditions. Only the stoners think that the general populace was voting to circumvent recreational sue with a med law. Self serving though in my opinion.

If you theory was correct, the legalization initiative would be on the ballot, and it's not going to be..can't get signatures.

Even when the populace sends you a clear message, you ignore them, and go back to self righteous thinking.

Bob I respond to your thoughts on farmers market. Then as I read your response there are three, you just hurt my buzz. I was ready to re-respond after the first. These guys have made you crazy. You two are certainly bringing out the worst in each other.
As far as you not liking farmers market because of the law that can be changed. And why are you set that farmer's markets need to be on weekend only. You keep thinking the concept of a farmer's market = joe cain. Yes they can be open everyday. I am not sure if some stranger can do a better job of getting your meds to a patient, but I see myself as be the best representative of my meds.
You down the farmers market only to take shot at Timmahh, then talk about bullshit laws. It is really hard to decipher if you are communicating honestly or just fucking with Timmahh and just spewing out bullshit trying to make his head explode or something.