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Listen to top GOP pollster's advice for Trump
17,224 views Nov 11, 2022
Pollster Frank Luntz gives advice to former President Donald Trump after a string of midterm losses by the candidates Trump supported.
Fascism and the Republican Party
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Listen to top GOP pollster's advice for Trump
17,224 views Nov 11, 2022
Pollster Frank Luntz gives advice to former President Donald Trump after a string of midterm losses by the candidates Trump supported.
DIY-HP-LED
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Trump says he sent the FBI to get involved in DeSantis' 2018 election
126,923 views Nov 11, 2022
CNN's Paula Reid reports on former President Trump's claim on his social platform Truth Social that he sent federal agents to stop the election from "being stolen" from Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2018. #CNN #News
Roger A. Shrubber
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i'm not...a plethora of events coincided to make all of this happen.
this wasn't because of the democrats brilliant strategy, this was because of the republicans shitty strategy...we won because we were playing against the village idiots. what happens when someone who isn't an idiots runs? someone who doesn't allow vital strategy to leak prematurely? someone who knows how to keep those with loud mouths quiet? what happens when they don't have trump stringing albatrosses around their necks like cheap plastic pearls?
don't get me wrong, i'm very happy at the odds that have been overcome so far...but we didn't really beat those odds, the republicans loaded the dice against themselves.
we need better for 24.
Fogdog
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Hanimal posted this.
It contains a better summary than I can write that explains my optimism
Republicans flopped because Democrats did reasonable things that reasonable people wanted done while Republicans did exactly the opposite.
2024 will happen in 2024. For now, Democrats need to keep doing things people want done and let Republicans own goal the game away.
Billy the Mountain
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There is cause for optimism but the gerrymandering and upcoming Moore v. Harper case are scary.
The upcoming case is regarding a state legislature's total election power NOT subject to the review of a state's supreme court. The fact that the current court took this case is in and of itself disturbing; it's generally considered a fringe theory without merit.
Ohio just voted with a map their own supreme court ruled bogus (for the 5th time!). The Republicans just ran out the clock and the election went on with the illegal districts.
In the 2018 Wisconsin election:
The gerrymandering essentially diluted Democratic votes by 50% and it's likely worse this election cycle.
Not exactly a free and fair election
The upcoming case is regarding a state legislature's total election power NOT subject to the review of a state's supreme court. The fact that the current court took this case is in and of itself disturbing; it's generally considered a fringe theory without merit.
Ohio just voted with a map their own supreme court ruled bogus (for the 5th time!). The Republicans just ran out the clock and the election went on with the illegal districts.
In the 2018 Wisconsin election:
| Democrat votes per seat | 36,111 |
| Republican votes per seat | 17,460 |
The gerrymandering essentially diluted Democratic votes by 50% and it's likely worse this election cycle.
Not exactly a free and fair election
Fogdog
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I pulled up some information about what happened in Wisconsin. Republicans there have managed to do what Republicans nationally are trying to do. . Republicans nearly captured super majorities in both houses. Yet a Democrat won the governor's race. So, yeah, what happened in the legislature cannot be representative of the people's vote. Gerrymandering is a powerful tool. We should all push for a federal ban on it and let the courts decide if Congress can pass laws like that. Not that it will pass through a House controlled by Republicans.
Do you have a link you can give to explain the Moore v Harper case? I'll probably google it but would like to see what you are referring to.
Billy the Mountain
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Supreme Court to hear 2 cases with major implications for 2024
The Court's new term starts in October and includes significant voting cases.
www.politico.com
Moore v. Harper, Explained
The debunked “independent state legislature theory” is on the Supreme Court’s docket, with potentially disastrous consequences.
DIY-HP-LED
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Fogdog
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It's a grab for power, plain and simple. Just make shit up and try to bully it through the courts. They might even have enough votes in SCOTUS to break our democracy. In order to get it on the docket, they needed four judges who thought the defendant's were making a worthy argument.
Supreme Court to hear 2 cases with major implications for 2024
The Court's new term starts in October and includes significant voting cases.
Moore v. Harper, Explained
The debunked “independent state legislature theory” is on the Supreme Court’s docket, with potentially disastrous consequences.www.brennancenter.org
Fascism is still lurking and waiting for a chance.
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DIY-HP-LED
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This is one of many reasons you might see some movement on domestic terrorism, center republicans feel it too. Terrorism is using violence or threats of violence to attain political goals, that's the definition. Too many people have been getting threats and if they gain enough power, they will use the power of the state to do something about it. If the republican party wants to move to the center again, supporting anti domestic terrorism laws would be a good way to do it and reduce the threats against themselves by locking up the nutcases and taking away their guns.
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Voters Crush GOP For MAGA Midterms: U.S. Must Face ‘Who We Are,’ Says Ebro & Ken Burns
47,685 views Nov 16, 2022
Director and documentarian Ken Burns joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber on the extremist politics voters rejected in the midterms, the history of violence in American politics and his new photographic history book in this wide ranging interview. Burns telling Melber “history is not melodrama, it’s tragedy… It takes art, the photographer’s lens, to see that it’s neither and both. We are all these things.”
Roger A. Shrubber
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that's not who i am...what do you mean "we" ? you got a mouse in your pocket? i never went to a trump rally, i never went to a militia meeting, i didn't go to DC on 1/6, i never held anyone, of any color, down so the cops could kick their ass...as a matter of fact, i do as much to oppose any of those things as i can and retain my head, living in the redneck wonderland that i do.
DIY-HP-LED
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Hey, this is Americans talking to Americans about your country and history! I thought Burns comment that the civil war wasn't a civil war but a sectional one was interesting.
cannabineer
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I generally tune out when I hear an invocation of the national character. It suffers the same flaw as invoking the will of the people. It reduces us to statistical points.
DIY-HP-LED
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WATCH LIVE: DHS, FBI heads testify before Senate following report on threat of domestic extremists
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Oath Keeper Jessica Watkins loses her cool in court and starts shouting about the election: report
Oath Keeper Jessica Watkins lost her cool in court Thursday, according to reporters in the room. Mother Jones reporter Dan Friedman was live tweeting the trial dealing with the crimes surrounding the Jan. 6 attack on Congress. Watkins, an Army veteran from Ohio, has said that the jury is already...
www.rawstory.com
DIY-HP-LED
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Like Donald, his tour could be cut short by Garland, Mike needs the money, and this is a way of fleecing the suckers.
Michael Flynn's testimony a 'shocking moment,' journalist says
112,736 views Nov 18, 2022
Michael Flynn, a retired general and former national security adviser to former President Donald Trump, has emerged as a leader for the far-right movement. The Associated Press' Michelle Smith joins Reality Check's John Avlon to discuss how Christian nationalism and culture wars messages take center stage at his 'ReAwaken America' tour rallies. His status as a "Christian warrior" for election deniers, extremists and conspiracists is the focus of a new documentary by FRONTLINE on PBS and the Associated Press, "Michael Flynn's Holy War."
Michael Flynn's testimony a 'shocking moment,' journalist says
112,736 views Nov 18, 2022
Michael Flynn, a retired general and former national security adviser to former President Donald Trump, has emerged as a leader for the far-right movement. The Associated Press' Michelle Smith joins Reality Check's John Avlon to discuss how Christian nationalism and culture wars messages take center stage at his 'ReAwaken America' tour rallies. His status as a "Christian warrior" for election deniers, extremists and conspiracists is the focus of a new documentary by FRONTLINE on PBS and the Associated Press, "Michael Flynn's Holy War."
DIY-HP-LED
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One part of the fascist plan is working quite well... The new illiteracy, Donald and those like him love the poorly educated, they don't send him much, but they send all they can afford and if ya got enough suckers, it all adds up.