Female Spliced to Male, Experimental

OK here it is guys, I had a few requests for this experiment to be posted as a journal so I went ahead and made one. Hopefully we make it to a week 2 update(it doesnt die).

What I've done is taken a cutting from a female plant and spliced it directly onto the stem/rootzone of a 50 day vegged male plant!

My expectations for this? Assuming the stem doesnt become infected with mold/rot I expect my little cutting to grow at an unprecidented speed... but who know? Thats what this experiment is all about... finding out what will happen.

Here is the first picture I took, this is after roughly 18 hours. Btw the bottom stem looks funky because it was topped previously so there are two knuckles
If this works I think its safe to assume that splicing multiple species onto the same rootzone could be possible, of course this isnt anything new to horticulturalists, but I have never seen anything like this before...

Oh btw that is garlic growing in the same pot if you look closely

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Has anyone ever tried this? this is a very interesting idea

That is a great Idea, I love your thinking. I didn't even know it was you again Pickle till I looked at who the genius behind this thinking is, talk about frankenweed if this works. Id rep ya but I got's to spread the love around, to many good idea's out that pickled noggin of yours.

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GOOD GOD MAN YOUR MAD haha your playing god exelent i like this idea

You can't do that!

You're gonna create like a vortex or something....

We're all gonna die...

Seriously though, curious as to what will happen. My guess is if you successfully "fuse" them, you'll have a male branch on a female plant, or visa versa.

what about 4 differnt stains WAIT!!!!! all girls for a super mother of all mother plants

Guys it has actually been done before... did a google search and a found a few examples. Something people have done alot is grafted a bunch of different strains onto one female plant to create a super mother plant that offers cuttings of many strains... An excellent Idea and I will definately be incorporating this in the future.

One thing I havent found any results of is using the old rootzone of an already harvested plant. The idea would be to graft a tiny little clone onto the relatively huge stem of the fully finished/harvested female plants from the previous crop. This will take some special skill at grafting because if you think about it, the old stem is going to be roughly an inch in diameter if not more(if it was a big plant) and your cutting will be only maybe an 1/8th of an inch in diameter. I think I may be able to find a way to do this... but that will have to wait until I have harvested my female plants, which will be months from now.

That could be some super technique for growing plants way faster than otherwise possible... assuming it works... maybe the roots start to shut down near the end of the plants life and will never recover? hard to know until I try.

Grafting females onto males also has wonderfull advantages for someone growing from seeds. If for example you had 10 seeds and 5 turned male and 5 were female... then you can top your 5 females and... You magically have 10 female plants!

MUAHAHAHAHA!!!
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very good i hope it works for ya

lol this is awesome, I'm Rootin for ya bahaha. Good luck if this works you will officially be a mad scientist!

Ok so when I originally grafted the cutting onto the stalk I had no idea of this being done previously by other growers(but it seemed likely that I wasn't the first). Since then I've done a few google searches and found a bit of info on it. Still I have yet to see someone who has spliced a young cutting onto an older male rootball the way I have attempted.

I thought it would be unfair to proclaim this as something new however so I decided I would give this link to an older thread in which the topic has been discussed
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/403595-how-easily-graft-marijuana-plant.html

Eraserhead said:

You can't do that!

You're gonna create like a vortex or something....

We're all gonna die...

Seriously though, curious as to what will happen. My guess is if you successfully "fuse" them, you'll have a male branch on a female plant, or visa versa.

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THIS is common practice among viticulture/enologists (grapes) fusing a hearty grape vairty to a hearty root species to bring a grape that would not typically grow due to climate zonelimitations or soil issues, its the definition of a HYBRID, +REP FOR YOU PICKLE MAN

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hahahahaha thanks SFguy

Yes I have seen it done with apple trees before... I noticed while walking buy an orchard that there were tiny trees with this big BUMB on them rigth at the bottom and then the base was wider. I imagine one reason this is done is because the fruit industry is extremely competetive, and new better varieties of apples could be grafted to the roots systems of previous generations to speed up the developement of new trees. If your going to chop all your apple trees down and start over with a new variety your losing alot of time there with zero apple production from the young trees, so any way to speed things along is going to make the difference between making lots of money or going into debt.

Same thing with growing weed, the veg time is money being lost for growers burning their lights. It makes more sense with the apple trees because they keep growing year after year. So the question is will the marijuana root system continue to grow and thrive after the fruits have been harvested? How many seasons can a rootzone be re-used?

that is interesting and I would assume that the roots will keep on living as long as they have a plant to feed...Seems to me that this could keep on going indefinitely...just because there isn't a time or anything that tells the roots their job is done...roots usually get the memo when all their plant parts are removed..but I would think that either the clone will grow super fast to try to make up for the difference in the below the soil growth with some crazy above the soil growth, or the extra roots might be reabsorbed for food to help the clone get growing...either way if it takes off it should be awesome.

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that is interesting and I would assume that the roots will keep on living as long as they have a plant to feed...Seems to me that this could keep on going indefinitely...just because there isn't a time or anything that tells the roots their job is done...roots usually get the memo when all their plant parts are removed..but I would think that either the clone will grow super fast to try to make up for the difference in the below the soil growth with some crazy above the soil growth, or the extra roots might be reabsorbed for food to help the clone get growing...either way if it takes off it should be awesome.

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the roots need something up top to feed them sugars. the roots trade water and nutrients for sugars, so as long as there is enough exchange happening, the roots and the cutting should be able to survive. I can imagine that with such a drastic reduction in foliage the roots might get a little sugar hungry, but it's hard to know until I try. I personally think roots can survive on their reserves for some time so I expect it to work

Unfortunately today my clone is looking wilted. I havent done anything to stress it but its leaves seem kinda limp. I think I may not have grafted it onto the rootzone properly, but I have 10 rooted cuttings that I have no use for, so I will be putting them through some trials, if this one doesnt make it I will try again. Its still alive, definately getting water from the stem still, but not quite as much as it would like.

The real fun part will be after harvest to see if i can graft a cutting onto a harvested plants rootzone, I have been thinking of how I will size down the stalk to match up with the cutting and I think I may have figured out a solution.

Genius! I'd like to see how this goes, could save a lot of time/money spent on those bloody males. Good luck. Subbed + rep bro.

This is fucking crazy, I hope it works. What if you were to take several clones, lash them together to create one big 'stem' with a similar circumference to the male stem?

If ^ would work you can grow two strains but same plant but then you would have different nutrient needs so i guess maybe you could find two strains with similar nute needs and go a little lite on the nutes.

nappynate said:

This is fucking crazy, I hope it works. What if you were to take several clones, lash them together to create one big 'stem' with a similar circumference to the male stem?

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Thats an idea, it would be worth trying.

I'm thinking another way to do it would be to cut a v into the stem running vertically for 2 inches, then carve your clone stem into a V to wedge into the larger stem. that should get the differentiated cells in each stem to match up pretty closely. It may take me alot of trial and error but I'm sure I will succeed eventually. This is just the beginning

Can anyone explain to me whether the inside of the stem has a biological function? does the very center of the stem do anything other than support the plant? I know with a tree its pretty much dead cells used to hold the tree. Is it the same with plants?