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Adverse health effectsFurther information: Silver and Argyria
According to Lansdown, the risk expected due to clinical exposure to silver is "minimal", as only chronic ingestion or inhalation of silver preparations leads to an accumulation of silver in the human body that can cause argyria, argyrosis (accumulation of silver in the eye), and other conditions.[SUP][12][/SUP] Silver-based products are contraindicated for people who are allergic to silver.[SUP][12][/SUP] The reference dose, published by the United States Environmental Protection Agency in 1991, which recommends the estimated daily exposure that is unlikely to incur an appreciable risk of deleterious effects during a lifetime, is 5 µg/kg/d; meaning 5 micrograms of silver per kilo of weight per person each day – about 1 liter of 10 ppm colloidal silver per month for a 66 kg person.[SUP][16][/SUP] The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine warns that "Colloidal silver is not safe or effective for treating any disease or condition. Colloidal silver can cause serious side effects. The most common is argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is usually not treatable or reversible."[SUP][1][/SUP]
The chronic intake of silver products and the silver buildup from colloidal silver can result in an accumulation of silver or silver sulfide particles in the hair, skin, kidneys, liver, heart and muscles due to high methionine-containing proteins, such as keratin, myosin, tropomyosin, troponin, and key dipeptide glutathione. Serious neurologic (such as seizures), renal, or hepatic complications, as well as headaches, stomach distress, fatigue, and skin irritation have been reported.[SUP][58][/SUP][SUP][59][/SUP] Colloidal silver can reduce the absorption of some medications, including tetracycline and quinolone antibiotics and can bind to penicillamine, thereby reducing the effectiveness of those medications.[SUP][25][/SUP][SUP][60][/SUP] One death has been reported in the medical literature which the authors felt was due to silver toxicity resulting from repeated oral ingestion of colloidal silver.[SUP][61][/SUP]
As in photography (where silver is used due to its reactivity with light), silver particles in the skin darken with exposure to sunlight, resulting in a blue or gray discoloration of the skin. This condition is known as argyria, which is a dermatological condition characterized by grayish-blue pigmentation of the skin, nails, gums, and deep tissues; and, in similar manner, it can lead to silver in the eye (argyrosis) and in other organs. Argyria can only occur if large doses are ingested over time. [SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][17][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP][SUP][49][/SUP][SUP][62][/SUP][SUP][63][/SUP][SUP][64][/SUP][SUP][65][/SUP][SUP][66][/SUP] Localized argyria can occur as a result of topical use of substances containing silver, while generalized argyria results from the chronic ingestion of such substances.[SUP][58][/SUP] Argyria was long believed to be irreversible,[SUP][52][/SUP] but recently, laser therapy has been used to treat it with satisfactory cosmetic results.[SUP][67][/SUP][SUP][68][/SUP][SUP][69][/SUP] The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) describes argyria as a "cosmetic problem",[SUP][70][/SUP] although some people consider it to be socially debilitating.[SUP][71][/SUP][SUP][72][/SUP]
[edit] Environmental effects
Silver that enters the environment from discarded medical sources can have detrimental effects on micro-organisms and animals (including humans).[SUP][73][/SUP]
Adverse health effectsFurther information: Silver and Argyria
According to Lansdown, the risk expected due to clinical exposure to silver is "minimal", as only chronic ingestion or inhalation of silver preparations leads to an accumulation of silver in the human body that can cause argyria, argyrosis (accumulation of silver in the eye), and other conditions.[SUP][12][/SUP] Silver-based products are contraindicated for people who are allergic to silver.[SUP][12][/SUP] The reference dose, published by the United States Environmental Protection Agency in 1991, which recommends the estimated daily exposure that is unlikely to incur an appreciable risk of deleterious effects during a lifetime, is 5 µg/kg/d; meaning 5 micrograms of silver per kilo of weight per person each day – about 1 liter of 10 ppm colloidal silver per month for a 66 kg person.[SUP][16][/SUP] The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine warns that "Colloidal silver is not safe or effective for treating any disease or condition. Colloidal silver can cause serious side effects. The most common is argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is usually not treatable or reversible."[SUP][1][/SUP]
The chronic intake of silver products and the silver buildup from colloidal silver can result in an accumulation of silver or silver sulfide particles in the hair, skin, kidneys, liver, heart and muscles due to high methionine-containing proteins, such as keratin, myosin, tropomyosin, troponin, and key dipeptide glutathione. Serious neurologic (such as seizures), renal, or hepatic complications, as well as headaches, stomach distress, fatigue, and skin irritation have been reported.[SUP][58][/SUP][SUP][59][/SUP] Colloidal silver can reduce the absorption of some medications, including tetracycline and quinolone antibiotics and can bind to penicillamine, thereby reducing the effectiveness of those medications.[SUP][25][/SUP][SUP][60][/SUP] One death has been reported in the medical literature which the authors felt was due to silver toxicity resulting from repeated oral ingestion of colloidal silver.[SUP][61][/SUP]
As in photography (where silver is used due to its reactivity with light), silver particles in the skin darken with exposure to sunlight, resulting in a blue or gray discoloration of the skin. This condition is known as argyria, which is a dermatological condition characterized by grayish-blue pigmentation of the skin, nails, gums, and deep tissues; and, in similar manner, it can lead to silver in the eye (argyrosis) and in other organs. Argyria can only occur if large doses are ingested over time. [SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][17][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP][SUP][49][/SUP][SUP][62][/SUP][SUP][63][/SUP][SUP][64][/SUP][SUP][65][/SUP][SUP][66][/SUP] Localized argyria can occur as a result of topical use of substances containing silver, while generalized argyria results from the chronic ingestion of such substances.[SUP][58][/SUP] Argyria was long believed to be irreversible,[SUP][52][/SUP] but recently, laser therapy has been used to treat it with satisfactory cosmetic results.[SUP][67][/SUP][SUP][68][/SUP][SUP][69][/SUP] The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) describes argyria as a "cosmetic problem",[SUP][70][/SUP] although some people consider it to be socially debilitating.[SUP][71][/SUP][SUP][72][/SUP]
[edit] Environmental effects
Silver that enters the environment from discarded medical sources can have detrimental effects on micro-organisms and animals (including humans).[SUP][73][/SUP]
Silver has not been shown to be mutagenic. Source: http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm
A bit of googling (unrelated to marijuana!) would have told you this. The folklore associated with marijuana growing is not a fruitful area to do your research. For instance, someone somewhere may quote what you have written in this thread as a source for some crazy thing they think is true. So, take what you get out of online forums with a grain of salt. This thread is proof of that.
Trousers
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Another big post that does not have anything to do with the subject.
I do not ingest the colloidal silver. That would not get me feminized seeds.
Please stop lying.
I do not ingest the colloidal silver. That would not get me feminized seeds.
Please stop lying.
umm..that test done by the govt (which i dont fully trust) states that silver is carcinogenic and can cause argyria. and it also tells how they used to use silver arsphenamine to treat syphilis until they realized it was harming people?
thank you for more good info backing me up.
we get silver from eating plants that have grown in the earth and from animals that eat plants that grow in the earth. these levels are normal and cause no harm, but when you start spraying it everywhere, thats unnatural and will cause harm
so its not safe for you to inject but it is for the plant to? directly in its most open spot of the body? you ever wonder why bengay ever hurt the most on the nuts sack? TONS OF GLANDS. damn man comeon
thank you for more good info backing me up.
we get silver from eating plants that have grown in the earth and from animals that eat plants that grow in the earth. these levels are normal and cause no harm, but when you start spraying it everywhere, thats unnatural and will cause harm
so its not safe for you to inject but it is for the plant to? directly in its most open spot of the body? you ever wonder why bengay ever hurt the most on the nuts sack? TONS OF GLANDS. damn man comeon
Trousers
Well-Known Member
I'm not changing my signature until you apologize to every one except me.
Who is ingesting colloidal silver?
What does that have to do with anything?
What does that have to do with feminized seeds?
Why would I spray it every where?
Why can you not explain how the dna is changed when you stress a plant with colloidal silver?
Why can you not explain all the success people have had with feminized seeds?
Why have I had so much success creating and growing feminized seeds?
Why have 100% of my feminized seeds been female?
Why have 100% of my feminized seeds had no mutations?
Why are you so stubbornly clinging to a terrible opinion that was brought about by terrible growers and disproved years ago?
Why does it burn when I pee?
Who is ingesting colloidal silver?
What does that have to do with anything?
What does that have to do with feminized seeds?
Why would I spray it every where?
Why can you not explain how the dna is changed when you stress a plant with colloidal silver?
Why can you not explain all the success people have had with feminized seeds?
Why have I had so much success creating and growing feminized seeds?
Why have 100% of my feminized seeds been female?
Why have 100% of my feminized seeds had no mutations?
Why are you so stubbornly clinging to a terrible opinion that was brought about by terrible growers and disproved years ago?
Why does it burn when I pee?
1blazeking
Member
The way it works in regards to genetically increasing muscle mass is like this...a group of humans in a rough area require a high amount of strength to survive. The ones that are weak cannot survive therefore the strong ones survive and bang the womens and the strong genetics get passed on. Or maybe the women just dont like weak small men and dont mate with them. Either way, thats how strong genes appear. Hermie genes wont get passed on if its done with the coilloidal silver unless that plant already is already susceptible to hermying. So if the breeder sprays and some dont hermie while others more susceptible do, then i can see that trait getting passed on. I dont know anything about the silver so I dont know if it can hermie every weed plant or not. I hope that breeders dont spray hermie susceptible plants and use those.
Feminized seeds are basically clones right?
Feminized seeds are basically clones right?
Trousers
Well-Known Member
I'm not fucking anything up asshole. There is wild cannabis growing every where. You should be worried about wheat and corn, there is no way we can fuck up cannabis. You were much better off making unrelated scientific arguments than dumb 'what the creator wants' type hippy dippy stuff.
According to you, if you grow you are going against the creator. The creator made cannabis plants to reproduce, not grow unseeded.
Wrong and unethical? Then why would you buy them?
I'll clue you in dickfer, it is not wrong or unethical to make feminized seeds. I have to admit, I would like to hear your reasoning behind the "unethical and wrong" deal, you know, for laughs.
Your parents should have eaten you while your bones were still soft.
Trousers
Well-Known Member
You have made numerous claims about feminized seeds and have not backed them up.
Which part am I not correct about? I do want to hear how feminized seeds are "wrong and unethical."
All soil has chemicals in it.
There is no evidence that organic food is more nutritious.
Which part am I not correct about? I do want to hear how feminized seeds are "wrong and unethical."
All soil has chemicals in it.
There is no evidence that organic food is more nutritious.
but it is? its not cut with chemicals, not STRETCHED for profit. things that are stretched and cut with chemicals are not only empty nutrition, but they also cause disease.
there are two types of disease. infectious disease, which is natural, and needed to regulate the flora or biota of a human. its part of our lives for reasons. now they are super strong unfortunately becuase THEYVE ADAPATED TO THE ENVIORNMENT OF US CREATING MEDICINE
and then there are chemical caused diseases, like cancer and most birth defects. feminizing a plant is directly causing a birth defect.
if you take a good piece of meat and try and microwave it, itll take awhile to heat up. if you take a huge mc donalds burger and microwave it, itll be scorching hot in 5 seconds. theres a reason for this. the mcdonalds burger is stretched, and empty (althought i do love their $1 mcdoulbe and their angus burger!)
im only speaking the truth, and you just like to go against everything i say
my soil has only small amount of chemicals in it. i use a soil with organic matter (soil, woodchips, some minerals, may even be silver in there IDK, but its not a huge amount, broken down into microns and then planted into an open site) that slowly breakdown etc.) along with coco (becuase peat bogs are running low and take forever to grow) and some perlite (another mineral from the earth)
i mix an all purpose compost (i think its chicken poop) bone meal and feather meal fertilizer before i grow and i feed once a month with a 1-1-1 fish emulsion fertlizer
youre right, theres probably some chemicals in the fishes poop, in the chicken poop, from the chemicals in the ground that they ate. we dumped those chemicals there in the first place, if we didnt, nothing would be in their diet (besides natural mineral, like silver, but in small amounts, from the earth)
we require these things in our diet, but we get them in sufficent amounts from the natural auroa of the earth and through our diet. any more or any less is detrimental.
there are two types of disease. infectious disease, which is natural, and needed to regulate the flora or biota of a human. its part of our lives for reasons. now they are super strong unfortunately becuase THEYVE ADAPATED TO THE ENVIORNMENT OF US CREATING MEDICINE
and then there are chemical caused diseases, like cancer and most birth defects. feminizing a plant is directly causing a birth defect.
if you take a good piece of meat and try and microwave it, itll take awhile to heat up. if you take a huge mc donalds burger and microwave it, itll be scorching hot in 5 seconds. theres a reason for this. the mcdonalds burger is stretched, and empty (althought i do love their $1 mcdoulbe and their angus burger!)
im only speaking the truth, and you just like to go against everything i say
my soil has only small amount of chemicals in it. i use a soil with organic matter (soil, woodchips, some minerals, may even be silver in there IDK, but its not a huge amount, broken down into microns and then planted into an open site) that slowly breakdown etc.) along with coco (becuase peat bogs are running low and take forever to grow) and some perlite (another mineral from the earth)
i mix an all purpose compost (i think its chicken poop) bone meal and feather meal fertilizer before i grow and i feed once a month with a 1-1-1 fish emulsion fertlizer
youre right, theres probably some chemicals in the fishes poop, in the chicken poop, from the chemicals in the ground that they ate. we dumped those chemicals there in the first place, if we didnt, nothing would be in their diet (besides natural mineral, like silver, but in small amounts, from the earth)
we require these things in our diet, but we get them in sufficent amounts from the natural auroa of the earth and through our diet. any more or any less is detrimental.
Trousers
Well-Known Member
Not at all. Stressing a plant to make it show male flowers is just taking advantage of what cannabis does naturally. It is a survival mechanism. It is certainly not a disease. As has been explained to you it is hormonal and natural.
I only "go against" the wildly inaccurate things you say, which is most of what you say. I don't want to start another argument with you that you can not win.
You do not know what a chemical is.
GrowinTheDank
Active Member
The only way this will become an educational experience, is if you admit how fucking stupid you are and do your best to understand what's been written here.
bwest
Well-Known Member
Dude, you have got to be the dumbest motherfucker i have ever seen. I dont know what else to say.
I only grow fems, never had a hermie.
becuase you had an EXCELLENT breeding that setup the perfect enviornment for the plants, none of them were stressed too much, or too little. when we add chemicals, minor stressors make live supersized. thats not normal, we should be able to withstand minor stressors that well encounter in a natural enviornment (wind, hard rain, animals walking through a field and almost knocking them over)
the enviornment used to be more calm but now that there are so many chemicals in the air theres a lot of distruptions and instabilites.
minerals do the same thing if they get into your body in large amounts. theyre chemical, theyre a heavy metal as well though..so its not good. its hard and takes long for the body to circulate the particles and filter them out (ouch). luckily this is a bit different though. they usually cause poisioning.
i may try and get this thread deleted
hermie = male and female
female = female
(male+female)(female)
=malefemale (hermie)
=femalefemale (female)
its a bit more difficult than that because each chromosome is a pair, but its the idea
a male female gene pool would be 50%50% percent chance. and this too is decided by enviornment, when the seedling is growing at its earliest stage i guess. but then again, i fucked my plants up a lot, with chemical vigoro too and they didnt turn male on me.
Trousers
Well-Known Member
bmeat-
I was going to give up on you, but you keep acting like a a complete dumbass and making bullshit up, then not backing it up with anything.
When we spray plants with colloidal silver, we are just adding enough stress to trigger hormones that are there naturally as a survival mechanism.
I do not know why you disagree with that, it is common knowledge.
You do not ingest the plant you sprayed, it is male and only good for pollen. The colloidal silver is not in the pollen because you stop spraying well before the plant produces male flowers. Hormones make the plant produce the male flowers. The resulting pollen is safe and free of cooloidal silver. That pollen is used to make seeds. The seeds will not have a trace of colloidal silver in them. It wouldn't matter if they did. They are not going to be used for food.
This has all been spelled out to you numerous times, yet you cling to your idiotic ideas that do not have basis in reality.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
That is not true when it comes to feminized seeds.
A feminized seeds was made from two females. It does not have a Y chromosome. It can not be male.
A hermaphrodite that has both an X and a Y chromosome will show both flowers from the get go.
The resulting seeds from a hermaphrodite like that could be hermaphrodite, male, or female.
A male plant will have two different chromosomes. "XY"
Either one of those could become a hermaphrodite (a plant exhibiting both male and female flowers) because of stress.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You are spreading lies, not opinions. You are a stubborn idiot, with just enough knowledge to be dangerous. You have no experience growing feminized seeds, yet you think they are some sort of hermie, mutant abomination to "the creator."
They should delete this thread, so your idiotic and wildly inaccurate ideas do not take hold with some poor unsuspecting person.
What you've said is some of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent responses were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I was going to give up on you, but you keep acting like a a complete dumbass and making bullshit up, then not backing it up with anything.
No idiot, he just grew plants in a regular environment with the proper nutrients etc. It is not hard to do. Hundreds of thousands of people have done it successfully. Just because you can not provide plants with their basic needs does not mean you should spread lies regarding feminized seeds.
I am amazed you can actually read.
When we spray plants with colloidal silver, we are just adding enough stress to trigger hormones that are there naturally as a survival mechanism.
I do not know why you disagree with that, it is common knowledge.
It is very normal. Cannabis in the wild is often subjected to environmental stress which causes the plant to produce male flowers without a Y chromosome. It occurs naturally, in nature.
No, you are wrong and try to stay on the subject.
You are a moron. What does that have to do with fem seeds?
You are a moron. What does that have to do with fem seeds? You do not use "large amounts" to turn a plant.
You do not know what the word "chemical" means. You are a moron. Can you explain how it is not good?
You do not ingest the plant you sprayed, it is male and only good for pollen. The colloidal silver is not in the pollen because you stop spraying well before the plant produces male flowers. Hormones make the plant produce the male flowers. The resulting pollen is safe and free of cooloidal silver. That pollen is used to make seeds. The seeds will not have a trace of colloidal silver in them. It wouldn't matter if they did. They are not going to be used for food.
This has all been spelled out to you numerous times, yet you cling to your idiotic ideas that do not have basis in reality.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
We are talking about plants, moron. I am not ingesting the colloidal silver.
Why, because you are so wildly incorrect? GFY.
Another attempt since all of your other arguments are bullshit?
That is not true when it comes to feminized seeds.
A feminized seeds was made from two females. It does not have a Y chromosome. It can not be male.
A hermaphrodite that has both an X and a Y chromosome will show both flowers from the get go.
The resulting seeds from a hermaphrodite like that could be hermaphrodite, male, or female.
A female plant will have two X chromosomes. "XX"
A male plant will have two different chromosomes. "XY"
Either one of those could become a hermaphrodite (a plant exhibiting both male and female flowers) because of stress.
I am amzed that you can breath, much less grow a plant.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You are spreading lies, not opinions. You are a stubborn idiot, with just enough knowledge to be dangerous. You have no experience growing feminized seeds, yet you think they are some sort of hermie, mutant abomination to "the creator."
They should delete this thread, so your idiotic and wildly inaccurate ideas do not take hold with some poor unsuspecting person.
What you've said is some of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent responses were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.