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MikeMuffler

Active Member
Hi all, I don't know the details of this strain. This is my first indoor grow so I'm looking for any comments from someone more experienced.

Im just about to start week 7 of 12/12.

Was planning to feed light this week followed by 1.5-2 weeks flush. As well, dropping co2, temp and humidity over this period.

Based on the pictures, think this seems right? First 2 pics are today, last pic is start of week 6. I have a magnifier in the mail to assist me later.

Media: sunshine 4 with 30% added perlite
Lights: gavita 1700e
Sealed room
5 gallon pots
76-78F
60-64% RH
CO2 1400 ppm

Thank you.
 

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goneDoneIt

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Hi all, I don't know the details of this strain. This is my first indoor grow so I'm looking for any comments from someone more experienced.

Im just about to start week 7 of 12/12.

Was planning to feed light this week followed by 1.5-2 weeks flush. As well, dropping co2, temp and humidity over this period.

Based on the pictures, think this seems right? First 2 pics are today, last pic is start of week 6. I have a magnifier in the mail to assist me later.

Media: sunshine 4 with 30% added perlite
Lights: gavita 1700e
Sealed room
5 gallon pots
76-78F
60-64% RH
CO2 1400 ppm

Thank you.
Spectacular work, worth the wait as you scope them out over the coming days.
...as for flushing, If this advice is anywhere near as good as their gear, it's worth (at least) considering!! https://www.humboldtseeds.net/en/blog/flushing-cannabis-explained/
 

green_machine_two9er

Well-Known Member
Gavita is some still some sweet lights. Still to pricey for me but they get the job done. Good job. I say 2-3 weeks.
Also I run a very similar grow and have benefited from raising temps up to 85 with 60% humidity. 75 nighttime temp. Something about the warming and wetter air opens up the plants for proper breathing
 

mudballs

Well-Known Member
Someone should post drought stress last 2 weeks of flower studies...i wont...im just saying someone would be well served by doing it.
 

mudballs

Well-Known Member
Oh look, i found one
https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/54/5/article-p964.xml#d71399643e547

The drought treatment elicited a 12% increase in THCA concentration and a 13% increase in CBDA concentration but had no effect on the concentrations of the other detected cannabinoids (Table 3, top). Drought had substantial effects on cannabinoid yield, expressed as grams of cannabinoid from inflorescences per unit growing area (g·m−2). In the drought treatment, THC yield was 50% higher, THCA yield was 43% higher, CBD yield was 67% higher, and CBDA yield was 47% higher than in the control
 

goneDoneIt

Member
Oh look, i found one
https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/54/5/article-p964.xml#d71399643e547

The drought treatment elicited a 12% increase in THCA concentration and a 13% increase in CBDA concentration but had no effect on the concentrations of the other detected cannabinoids (Table 3, top). Drought had substantial effects on cannabinoid yield, expressed as grams of cannabinoid from inflorescences per unit growing area (g·m−2). In the drought treatment, THC yield was 50% higher, THCA yield was 43% higher, CBD yield was 67% higher, and CBDA yield was 47% higher than in the control
"...To our knowledge, this was the first evaluation of the effects of controlled drought stress on cannabis; although, as previously described, drought can increase essential oil yield in some herbaceous crops. In drought-stressed sage, essential oil and monoterpene yield can increase up to 281% (Bettaieb et al., 2009) and 20% (Nowak et al., 2010), respectively, over a well-watered control. Likewise, in curly-leafed parsley (Petroselinum crispum ssp. crispum L. cv. curly-leafed) grown under drought stressed conditions, plants were smaller but had higher oil concentrations than the well-watered control. The density of the plants could therefore be increased to accommodate the decreased size and essential oil yield per unit area would be higher (Petropoulos et al., 2008).

Increases in secondary metabolite concentration due to drought stress usually coincides with reduced growth; however, this was not the case in the present study, at least in terms of inflorescence growth because there was no difference in inflorescence dry weight between drought and control groups. Secondary metabolites are formed from photosynthetic carbon (Peñuelas and Llusià, 2002), and drought can reduce Pn, as exemplified in the present study. In fact, it is common for Pn of plants exposed to drought stress to recover only to 40% to 60% of their predrought levels on the day after irrigation, and Pn may never fully recover (Delfine et al., 2005; Kirschbaum, 1987; Sofo et al., 2005). Nonetheless, in the present study, the yield of some cannabinoids increased irrespective of reduced carbon assimilation. Protective mechanisms help plants tolerate drought until some cumulative physiological threshold is exceeded, and only at this point is growth impeded (Ali, 2010; Xu et al., 2010). A period of drought insufficient to impede growth, such as in the present study, may be crucial to increasing secondary metabolite yield."


An understanding of the biochemical origins of cannabinoids and how they relate to other secondary metabolites may be useful to speculate how drought stress increased cannabinoid yield in the present study. For example, cannabinoids are closely related to some terpenoids that protect plants under stress.

It's interesting to note that oils are enhanced in plants containing them, parallels may be drawn, there are (at least) 2 camps to almost every debate, in the final analysis it all comes down to personal preference based on some kind of analysis or proven science or 'bro' science! For or against, why knock it, after all, your the one ingesting what you grow, you and your bro, and your cussin' cousin flo! lolo
 

mudballs

Well-Known Member
"...To our knowledge, this was the first evaluation of the effects of controlled drought stress on cannabis; although, as previously described, drought can increase essential oil yield in some herbaceous crops. In drought-stressed sage, essential oil and monoterpene yield can increase up to 281% (Bettaieb et al., 2009) and 20% (Nowak et al., 2010), respectively, over a well-watered control. Likewise, in curly-leafed parsley (Petroselinum crispum ssp. crispum L. cv. curly-leafed) grown under drought stressed conditions, plants were smaller but had higher oil concentrations than the well-watered control. The density of the plants could therefore be increased to accommodate the decreased size and essential oil yield per unit area would be higher (Petropoulos et al., 2008).

Increases in secondary metabolite concentration due to drought stress usually coincides with reduced growth; however, this was not the case in the present study, at least in terms of inflorescence growth because there was no difference in inflorescence dry weight between drought and control groups. Secondary metabolites are formed from photosynthetic carbon (Peñuelas and Llusià, 2002), and drought can reduce Pn, as exemplified in the present study. In fact, it is common for Pn of plants exposed to drought stress to recover only to 40% to 60% of their predrought levels on the day after irrigation, and Pn may never fully recover (Delfine et al., 2005; Kirschbaum, 1987; Sofo et al., 2005). Nonetheless, in the present study, the yield of some cannabinoids increased irrespective of reduced carbon assimilation. Protective mechanisms help plants tolerate drought until some cumulative physiological threshold is exceeded, and only at this point is growth impeded (Ali, 2010; Xu et al., 2010). A period of drought insufficient to impede growth, such as in the present study, may be crucial to increasing secondary metabolite yield."


An understanding of the biochemical origins of cannabinoids and how they relate to other secondary metabolites may be useful to speculate how drought stress increased cannabinoid yield in the present study. For example, cannabinoids are closely related to some terpenoids that protect plants under stress.

It's interesting to note that oils are enhanced in plants containing them, parallels may be drawn, there are (at least) 2 camps to almost every debate, in the final analysis it all comes down to personal preference based on some kind of analysis or proven science or 'bro' science! For or against, why knock it, after all, your the one ingesting what you grow, you and your bro, and your cussin' cousin flo! lolo
I have no idea what you just tried to say
 

MikeMuffler

Active Member
Gavita is some still some sweet lights. Still to pricey for me but they get the job done. Good job. I say 2-3 weeks.
Also I run a very similar grow and have benefited from raising temps up to 85 with 60% humidity. 75 nighttime temp. Something about the warming and wetter air opens up the plants for proper breathing
Weeks 1-4 of flower I ran these temps and even higher humidity (70-75) growth was amazing.
 

goneDoneIt

Member
I have no idea what you just tried to say
Mudball: "Someone should post drought stress last 2 weeks of flower studies...i wont...im just saying someone would be well served by doing it."

Do you understand the findings in the article that you posted? You know, the one you said you wouldn't, and then in your next post, did. Break it down... ;-)
 
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mudballs

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Do you understand the findings in the article that you posted?
Yes it means i came to bat with a peer reviewed article with references cited...and you brought an article written by Stoney Tark(not joking) posted on a seed company website
It's a counter to your flushing post, let the world decide for themselves cuz I'm not fighting with a guy that would rather post a seed company hosted article with no references, written by a stoney tark...instead of a peer reviewed article.
 
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