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goneDoneIt

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mudballs said:
Yes it means i came to bat with a peer reviewed article with references cited...and you brought an article written by Stoney Tark(not joking) posted on a seed company website
It's a counter to your flushing post, let the world decide for themselves cuz I'm not fighting with a guy that would rather post a seed company hosted article with no references, written by a stoney tark...instead of a peer reviewed article.
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So, you say flushing medium has no value when growing nonorganically? Are you also of the opinion that plants should be watered to harvest? I gave no definitive opinion because I think it's an individual decision and worthy of different viewpoints. I merely posted an article on the subject, why would the writer's viewpoint upset you so and why personally attack the writer because you don't agree?
As for the peer reviewed article you posted, I found it to be really good, thought provoking and worthy of consideration, but I think you are misunderstanding the findings and should perhaps read more carefully?
Do you understand the findings in the article that you posted?
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Mudball: "Yes it means i came to bat with a peer reviewed article with references cited"

No, those are not the findings (or the meaning) of the article. Or do you just randomly post 'peer reviewed' articles that SEEM to fit your narrative, when they don't? Did you even read the article? You 'came to bat' with an article you really do not seem to understand. LOL
 
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speedwell68

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goneDoneIt said:
Easy for you to say, you seem so convinced, almost like a 'know it all,' why not elaborate if you feel so STRONGLY about it?
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They site side burning joints, harsh flavour and dark ash as a sign that weed hasn't been flushed. It is a sign of a badly rolled joint and poorly dried/cured weed. None of my weed has been flushed and I don't have those problems. Because...

1. I can roll a joint.
2. My weed was dried slowly with good ventilation and cured properly for 3 months.

My other problem with the dark ash theory is the paper used in the joint.

Then they bleat on about chemical and organic nutrients. All the plant sees is NPK and various trace elements, how it gets those elements doesn't matter, be it in a man made solution or via organic matter. Anyone that claims that they can tell the difference between weed fed with organic or inorganic nutrients is talking shit.

Then there is the fact that no other consumable crop in the history of agriculture is flushed in this manner, partly because it isn't grown by stoners and mostly because it's a stupid idea. When you harvest a crop you do so because the plant is at it's peak, you don't get any living thing to it's be it's best by starving it. Does a farmer flood his fields before harvest?

It is proper bro science.
 
goneDoneIt

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speedwell68 said:
They site side burning joints, harsh flavour and dark ash as a sign that weed hasn't been flushed. It is a sign of a badly rolled joint and poorly dried/cured weed. None of my weed has been flushed and I don't have those problems. Because...

1. I can roll a joint.
2. My weed was dried slowly with good ventilation and cured properly for 3 months.

My other problem with the dark ash theory is the paper used in the joint.

Then they bleat on about chemical and organic nutrients. All the plant sees is NPK and various trace elements, how it gets those elements doesn't matter, be it in a man made solution or via organic matter. Anyone that claims that they can tell the difference between weed fed with organic or inorganic nutrients is talking shit.

Then there is the fact that no other consumable crop in the history of agriculture is flushed in this manner, partly because it isn't grown by stoners and mostly because it's a stupid idea. When you harvest a crop you do so because the plant is at it's peak, you don't get any living thing to it's be it's best by starving it. Does a farmer flood his fields before harvest?

It is proper bro science.
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I find reasonable information for giving it consideration, on the other hand I've seen anecdotal opinions like yours, I don't knock it either way, each to their own! But to call something crap without providing anything else to back it up is childish. Thanks for explaining your findings and your reasoning.
 
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Apalchen

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speedwell68 said:
They site side burning joints, harsh flavour and dark ash as a sign that weed hasn't been flushed. It is a sign of a badly rolled joint and poorly dried/cured weed. None of my weed has been flushed and I don't have those problems. Because...

1. I can roll a joint.
2. My weed was dried slowly with good ventilation and cured properly for 3 months.

My other problem with the dark ash theory is the paper used in the joint.

Then they bleat on about chemical and organic nutrients. All the plant sees is NPK and various trace elements, how it gets those elements doesn't matter, be it in a man made solution or via organic matter. Anyone that claims that they can tell the difference between weed fed with organic or inorganic nutrients is talking shit.

Then there is the fact that no other consumable crop in the history of agriculture is flushed in this manner, partly because it isn't grown by stoners and mostly because it's a stupid idea. When you harvest a crop you do so because the plant is at it's peak, you don't get any living thing to it's be it's best by starving it. Does a farmer flood his fields before harvest?

It is proper bro science.
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You realize how many terpenes you lost “curing” for 3 months. Curing for long periods of time is bro science. Jungle boys tested this with a lab. I can’t remember exact numbers but after a month the terpene levels started dropping fairly fast.

I had been saying this for years before I read this.
Didn’t have the reasoning but I knew since I harvest almost monthly or at most every couple months and have a very high tolerance. I often end up with extra left over from a previous run or even older that I saved for myself. So I’ve had the same flower fresh and “cured” for months, and it’s always better fresh. Now when I say fresh I mean it was dried for two weeks and a short cure of usually 10-14 days. Just until the green smell is gone.

As far as flushing goes if you mean running a bunch of extra water through your pots, it’s only advisable if you already crated issues feeding too much but prob still won’t help final taste. If you over fed you over fed no way to fix it, IMO. Now what I refer to flushing as around here is when I’m just feeding straight RO water the last 2 weeks or so.

I also usually let plants dry out more towards the end, I keep my canopy pretty tight and crowded so my reasoning was for less mold issues. And I have read that it stresses plants and a response to stress is more trichome. But it does seem counterproductive to yield to not give a plant as much water, but it never really seems to hurt that I can tell, but really how would you know. Anyways it’s early and I’m not ready for reading much yet can you explain what you think this article is saying.
 
goneDoneIt

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Apalchen said:
You realize how many terpenes you lost “curing” for 3 months. Curing for long periods of time is bro science. Jungle boys tested this with a lab. I can’t remember exact numbers but after a month the terpene levels started dropping fairly fast.

I had been saying this for years before I read this.
Didn’t have the reasoning but I knew since I harvest almost monthly or at most every couple months and have a very high tolerance. I often end up with extra left over from a previous run or even older that I saved for myself. So I’ve had the same flower fresh and “cured” for months, and it’s always better fresh. Now when I say fresh I mean it was dried for two weeks and a short cure of usually 10-14 days. Just until the green smell is gone.

As far as flushing goes if you mean running a bunch of extra water through your pots, it’s only advisable if you already crated issues feeding too much but prob still won’t help final taste. If you over fed you over fed no way to fix it, IMO. Now what I refer to flushing as around here is when I’m just feeding straight RO water the last 2 weeks or so.

I also usually let plants dry out more towards the end, I keep my canopy pretty tight and crowded so my reasoning was for less mold issues. And I have read that it stresses plants and a response to stress is more trichome. But it does seem counterproductive to yield to not give a plant as much water, but it never really seems to hurt that I can tell, but really how would you know. Anyways it’s early and I’m not ready for reading much yet can you explain what you think this article is saying.
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Agreed. I believe that's right! There are studies that show stress does increase terpene production and oils in various herbs as well. Several days without water for a fully mature plant is stress and naturally aids in the drying process so that seems like a no-brainer to just DO IT, but each to their own, wouldn't criticize or emphatically write others off for doing it, or not.
I would logically think that withholding nutrients, or giving plain water only for 2 or 3 watering's before the no water period is also a form of stress and may have some other value, ymmv. But I find no definitive reason to make concrete statements on the subject except to say it 'seems' like it may well be better for inorganically grown plants. What 'seems' to be may not be so there's that, that is a matter of 'whatever makes you feel better' about what you are consuming.

If we drink water only and have no other nutrients WE feel the stress for a few days, we weaken at the first and feel other symptoms, until the underlying energies are tapped into. Then a condition known as ketosis occurs, where we feel stronger, realize renewed strength and begin to 'glow;' those who've done health fasts know what I mean! There are substantial health benefits, IMO parallels could be drawn.
Water only for the last week or 2 and/or nothing at all for the last few days seems fine to me but whatever! I for one appreciate the different points of view.
 
Hollatchaboy

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goneDoneIt said:
Agreed. I believe that's right! There are studies that show stress does increase terpene production and oils in various herbs as well. Several days without water for a fully mature plant is stress and naturally aids in the drying process so that seems like a no-brainer to just DO IT, but each to their own, wouldn't criticize or emphatically write others off for doing it, or not.
I would logically think that withholding nutrients, or giving plain water only for 2 or 3 watering's before the no water period is also a form of stress and may have some other value, ymmv. But I find no definitive reason to make concrete statements on the subject except to say it 'seems' like it may well be better for inorganically grown plants. What 'seems' to be may not be so there's that, that is a matter of 'whatever makes you feel better' about what you are consuming.

If we drink water only and have no other nutrients WE feel the stress for a few days, we weaken at the first and feel other symptoms, until the underlying energies are tapped into. Then a condition known as ketosis occurs, where we feel stronger, realize renewed strength and begin to 'glow;' those who've done health fasts know what I mean! There are substantial health benefits, IMO parallels could be drawn.
Water only for the last week or 2 and/or nothing at all for the last few days seems fine to me but whatever! I for one appreciate the different points of view.
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Well, the problem for me at least, is in in no till, I feed the soil more than the plant. I can't not water, or give nutrient. I need the soil to cycle.
 
speedwell68

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goneDoneIt said:
I find reasonable information for giving it consideration, on the other hand I've seen anecdotal opinions like yours, I don't knock it either way, each to their own! But to call something crap without providing anything else to back it up is childish. Thanks for explaining your findings and your reasoning.
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www.rxgreentechnologies.com

Cannabis Flushing Research Study

In our research study, RX Green Technologies evaluated the effects of different flushing times on chemical profile, flavor, and smoke of cannabis flower.
www.rxgreentechnologies.com www.rxgreentechnologies.com

That is a full study. Not an article on a seed vendor's blog, which isn't backed up by anything other than anecdotal opinions, written by someone that felt the need to use a made up parody name.

It might as well have been written by a trained Shit Gibbon. I will stand by my original statement of utter donkey plop.
 
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goneDoneIt

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speedwell68 said:
www.rxgreentechnologies.com

Cannabis Flushing Research Study

In our research study, RX Green Technologies evaluated the effects of different flushing times on chemical profile, flavor, and smoke of cannabis flower.
www.rxgreentechnologies.com www.rxgreentechnologies.com

"at is a full study. Not an article on a seed vendor's blog, which isn't backed up by anything other than anecdotal opinions, written by someone that felt the need to use a made up parody name.

It might as well have been written by a trained Shit Gibbon. I will stand by my original statement of utter donkey plop."
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In fairness, (some) different points of view are worthy of consideration, including the source that you site here, RX Green Technologies. But keep in mind that is a study put out by the maker of the product, and based on 'opinions' in a taste test which doesn't address much anything else including possible health concerns with said products! I for one would be cautious about taking corporate views of their own products for granted.

The article I posted, which I did not make any claims about, merely posted it for anyone to take a look at if they please, has as much or more value in it than what you shared.

After all, you are just some guy on a growing forum who espouses HIS anecdotal opinions, posts a corporate shill article and raves about it's merit, goes on to attack anything and anyone that doesn't agree with your own opinions and even finds fault with a writer hosted on a legit website, (which happens to be a seed seller, but the opinion piece is not about supporting any particular product) who chose simply to remain anonymous, probably to keep outrageous, feces loving Gibbons such as yourself from coming and physically attacking him for doing so! ;-)

The same guy who also happens to use a fictitious name and speaks as an errant, reprobate, potty-mouthed, adolescent child. God speed, and fare thee well!
 
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