First Grow Ever! Flying Dutchmen G Force Feminized
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Hey oj1981,
My last Gforce just died. I think it is because I am getting conflicting information. I am using a miniture greenhouse with those brown cubes. THe first advice was to let the seeds pop and put the in the cubes and let them sit in the dark and wait from them to sprout them put under the light (400 mh) The next advice was as soon as they pop put them in the cubes and then put under the light. My problem is as soon as i put them under the light using the wait a week method the seedlings die like the light is too powerful or something. Thats what happenned to the gforce. I am trying some new sees with the 'lets not wait a week in the dark' method. Any advice?
My last Gforce just died. I think it is because I am getting conflicting information. I am using a miniture greenhouse with those brown cubes. THe first advice was to let the seeds pop and put the in the cubes and let them sit in the dark and wait from them to sprout them put under the light (400 mh) The next advice was as soon as they pop put them in the cubes and then put under the light. My problem is as soon as i put them under the light using the wait a week method the seedlings die like the light is too powerful or something. Thats what happenned to the gforce. I am trying some new sees with the 'lets not wait a week in the dark' method. Any advice?
oj1981
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Ok just a quick update.
My shit wasnt delivered today so have to go to the depo tomorrow morning for it.
More hassle and less time to refine my grow room!
Transplant will also be going ahead tomorrow as these ladies are getting too big for there boots now!
roots are showing through the root riots now so there ready.
in the pic they are a little droopy as I slightly over watered them this morning but no big issue they should be fine by the morning.
They have stretched for the light a little as well but this shoulnt be to much of a problem as they are being re-potted tomorrow.
Hi stilzz,
sorry to hear she didnt make it
400w MH I would say is defo to much for them when there that young.
Im no expert as iv only been growing for just over a week but id say it would shock the plant to much at such an early stage in its life.
I would use a cfl until you can see good development of its first leaves. my cfl I used for mine only kicked out about 50w but they seemed to like it.
also got to keep an eye on temps with the 400w MH. you dont want to dry them out to much.
My 250w MH is on for 30mins then off for an hour and so on 24 hours a day at the moment. helps keeps em warm and lets them get used to the stronger light. my cfl is still over the top of them which is on 24 hours a day.
the sort bursts of the MH keeps the grow room at around 25c/77f. also check the water your feeding them with. Iv read alot that you need to leave your water out for 24 hours before giving to the plant to evaporate any chemicles used in the water.
I havent bothered with leaving it out. my tap water PH is about 7.6 and they seem to be ok and growing well.
I would suggest once germinated, transplant into your soil cubes and then keep her in a warm place under a low light cfl up to 100w until she pops up out of the soil. the warmth is important for the root development. once the first leaves have opened out increase the light. you could probably use your 400w MH at this stage but just keep an eye on the temps and give her good ventillation. slight over watering will be ok but dont let her dry out.
I have found that under my 250w MH my soil cubes dry out very fast so I dont have it on 24/7 as im sometimes away at work for upto 8 or 9 hours a day.
once iv transplanted them into the auto feeder it wont be to much of a problem and I can leave the light on all the time which im not going to as I want to save electricity. probably have the 250w MH on 18hrs off 6hrs for about 1 or 2 weeks then I will switch to the 400w MH on 18 on 6 off for another 1 or 2 weeks then I will leave the 400w MH on 24 hours a day till there about 2 or 3 feet tall then will switch to 600w HPS on 12 off 12 till there ready to harvest
I suppose eveyone has there own way of doing things.
Im learning as i go along! lol
My shit wasnt delivered today so have to go to the depo tomorrow morning for it.
More hassle and less time to refine my grow room!
Transplant will also be going ahead tomorrow as these ladies are getting too big for there boots now!
roots are showing through the root riots now so there ready.
in the pic they are a little droopy as I slightly over watered them this morning but no big issue they should be fine by the morning.
They have stretched for the light a little as well but this shoulnt be to much of a problem as they are being re-potted tomorrow.
Hi stilzz,
sorry to hear she didnt make it
400w MH I would say is defo to much for them when there that young.
Im no expert as iv only been growing for just over a week but id say it would shock the plant to much at such an early stage in its life.
I would use a cfl until you can see good development of its first leaves. my cfl I used for mine only kicked out about 50w but they seemed to like it.
also got to keep an eye on temps with the 400w MH. you dont want to dry them out to much.
My 250w MH is on for 30mins then off for an hour and so on 24 hours a day at the moment. helps keeps em warm and lets them get used to the stronger light. my cfl is still over the top of them which is on 24 hours a day.
the sort bursts of the MH keeps the grow room at around 25c/77f. also check the water your feeding them with. Iv read alot that you need to leave your water out for 24 hours before giving to the plant to evaporate any chemicles used in the water.
I havent bothered with leaving it out. my tap water PH is about 7.6 and they seem to be ok and growing well.
I would suggest once germinated, transplant into your soil cubes and then keep her in a warm place under a low light cfl up to 100w until she pops up out of the soil. the warmth is important for the root development. once the first leaves have opened out increase the light. you could probably use your 400w MH at this stage but just keep an eye on the temps and give her good ventillation. slight over watering will be ok but dont let her dry out.
I have found that under my 250w MH my soil cubes dry out very fast so I dont have it on 24/7 as im sometimes away at work for upto 8 or 9 hours a day.
once iv transplanted them into the auto feeder it wont be to much of a problem and I can leave the light on all the time which im not going to as I want to save electricity. probably have the 250w MH on 18hrs off 6hrs for about 1 or 2 weeks then I will switch to the 400w MH on 18 on 6 off for another 1 or 2 weeks then I will leave the 400w MH on 24 hours a day till there about 2 or 3 feet tall then will switch to 600w HPS on 12 off 12 till there ready to harvest
I suppose eveyone has there own way of doing things.
Im learning as i go along! lol
oj1981
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Iv spent 2 days preparing for the transplant and it is now complete.
The original pump I got with my hydro system is not as loud as I first thought so am using this pump for the auto feeder.
The other smaller pump with no vibration was shit and could not produce enough water pressure in the lines.
Iv had a busy day and have been messing with my set up for about 10 hours!
Iv made a box to keep my light ballast cool and rigged it upto the exhaust duct so my room does not get to hot.
Iv now also swapped the crappy duct for insulated duct which has made a good bit of difference on the noise front.
Iv added an air stone to the res and added a heat shield to the light reflector.
All seems to be ok at the moment. hopefully my girls will not be in to much shock from the transplant but only time will tell.
running the 250w MH at the moment on 18 on 6 off and the feeder is on for 15 mins then off for 2 hours and stays off when the lights are off. fans also on cosntant apart from when the lights are off the fans come on for 15 mins every 2 hours to change the air.
Light is at the top of the tent at the moment and will move down a foot every 24 hours till I get to the height I want. I want them to recover a bit after the transplant before getting the light to close.
A pic of my girls in there pots
The original pump I got with my hydro system is not as loud as I first thought so am using this pump for the auto feeder.
The other smaller pump with no vibration was shit and could not produce enough water pressure in the lines.
Iv had a busy day and have been messing with my set up for about 10 hours!
Iv made a box to keep my light ballast cool and rigged it upto the exhaust duct so my room does not get to hot.
Iv now also swapped the crappy duct for insulated duct which has made a good bit of difference on the noise front.
Iv added an air stone to the res and added a heat shield to the light reflector.
All seems to be ok at the moment. hopefully my girls will not be in to much shock from the transplant but only time will tell.
running the 250w MH at the moment on 18 on 6 off and the feeder is on for 15 mins then off for 2 hours and stays off when the lights are off. fans also on cosntant apart from when the lights are off the fans come on for 15 mins every 2 hours to change the air.
Light is at the top of the tent at the moment and will move down a foot every 24 hours till I get to the height I want. I want them to recover a bit after the transplant before getting the light to close.
A pic of my girls in there pots
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oj1981
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girls are doing well.
they dont seem to be growing as quick as I thought but they might just be getting over the shock of the transplant.
Also I think they have been slightly over watered as the leaves on a couple of the plants are dropping a little.
I had the auto feed on for 15 mins and off for 2 hours.
I am now trying on for 15 mins and off for 3 hours.
Lights are about 2 foot above the plants and the temp is around 30 to 32c/86 to 89f.
this should be ok and dont really want temps any higher.
I will get some pics of the ladies on this weekend.
here are some pics of my D.I.Y Lamp Ballast cooler
they dont seem to be growing as quick as I thought but they might just be getting over the shock of the transplant.
Also I think they have been slightly over watered as the leaves on a couple of the plants are dropping a little.
I had the auto feed on for 15 mins and off for 2 hours.
I am now trying on for 15 mins and off for 3 hours.
Lights are about 2 foot above the plants and the temp is around 30 to 32c/86 to 89f.
this should be ok and dont really want temps any higher.
I will get some pics of the ladies on this weekend.
here are some pics of my D.I.Y Lamp Ballast cooler
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Dr Widebody
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lookin good bro
oj1981
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All 8 ladies look good at the moment.
temps are around 30c/86f when lamp is on and around 20c/68f when the lamp is off.
Still got the 250w MH going at the moment.
Iv noticed the stems are a little red so have backed the light off a little.
Iv also noticed the 2 round baby leaves are starting to die off. from what iv read its normal so im not worrying to much at the moment.
one or 2 of the plants are a yellow/green colour. Im not to sure if this is a problem or not. I first though maybe heat stress but then My water PH is a little high its around 7.4. plus not using any nutes yet (apart from Canna Rhizotonic to help the roots after the transplant) but I am due a water change this weekend in the res so will be bringing the PH down then and starting nutes at about 1/4 strenth and see how they get on.
Nutes I will be using are Canna Aqua Vega A&B NPK 6-3-8.
This includes some stuff on the periodic table so here goes!
NH4, NO3, P2O5, P, K, K2O, Ca, CaO, Mg, MgO, S, SO3, B, Cu, Fe (DTPA), Fe (EDDHA), Mn, Mo, Zn, Si.
It looks like premium quality stuff and cant wait to get my girls beefed up a bit
A few more pics which I took a few days ago.
temps are around 30c/86f when lamp is on and around 20c/68f when the lamp is off.
Still got the 250w MH going at the moment.
Iv noticed the stems are a little red so have backed the light off a little.
Iv also noticed the 2 round baby leaves are starting to die off. from what iv read its normal so im not worrying to much at the moment.
one or 2 of the plants are a yellow/green colour. Im not to sure if this is a problem or not. I first though maybe heat stress but then My water PH is a little high its around 7.4. plus not using any nutes yet (apart from Canna Rhizotonic to help the roots after the transplant) but I am due a water change this weekend in the res so will be bringing the PH down then and starting nutes at about 1/4 strenth and see how they get on.
Nutes I will be using are Canna Aqua Vega A&B NPK 6-3-8.
This includes some stuff on the periodic table so here goes!
NH4, NO3, P2O5, P, K, K2O, Ca, CaO, Mg, MgO, S, SO3, B, Cu, Fe (DTPA), Fe (EDDHA), Mn, Mo, Zn, Si.
It looks like premium quality stuff and cant wait to get my girls beefed up a bit
A few more pics which I took a few days ago.
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oj1981
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An update on yesterdays events.
So I decided to take out and clean the whole system due to alot of silt from the clay pebbles in the bottom of the water res.
All in all took 3 hours and all plants are looking ok after there little ordeal.
I have found that the roots on some of the plants have now come out of the bottom of the 11 litre pots so I had to be very careful moving them.
I have flushed out all pots with clean tap water to get rid of any remaining silt from the clay pebbles.
Res has been emptied and cleaned then re-filled with 70 litres of tap water.
I have also added 35ml Aqua A and 35ml Aqua B nutrients to the water solution which is about 1/4 strenth of what it reccomends on the bottles.
Left the solution to sit for 3 hours before giving them there first feed from it.
PH before the water change was around 7.4 - 7.6. PH is now 6.0 which seems ok for my hydro set up. I dont have a PPM Metre so dont know what my PPM is.
Temps are around 28c/82F as I have backed the lamp off about another foot. still using the 250w MH at the moment and it is about 3 foot of the tops of the plants.
The yellowing of the plant leaves is starting to go away now and they are being feed for 15 mins every 2 hours. all plants are showing possitive results in the last 18 hours. lamp is set 18/6 at the moment.
some pics taken about 30 mins ago
So I decided to take out and clean the whole system due to alot of silt from the clay pebbles in the bottom of the water res.
All in all took 3 hours and all plants are looking ok after there little ordeal.
I have found that the roots on some of the plants have now come out of the bottom of the 11 litre pots so I had to be very careful moving them.
I have flushed out all pots with clean tap water to get rid of any remaining silt from the clay pebbles.
Res has been emptied and cleaned then re-filled with 70 litres of tap water.
I have also added 35ml Aqua A and 35ml Aqua B nutrients to the water solution which is about 1/4 strenth of what it reccomends on the bottles.
Left the solution to sit for 3 hours before giving them there first feed from it.
PH before the water change was around 7.4 - 7.6. PH is now 6.0 which seems ok for my hydro set up. I dont have a PPM Metre so dont know what my PPM is.
Temps are around 28c/82F as I have backed the lamp off about another foot. still using the 250w MH at the moment and it is about 3 foot of the tops of the plants.
The yellowing of the plant leaves is starting to go away now and they are being feed for 15 mins every 2 hours. all plants are showing possitive results in the last 18 hours. lamp is set 18/6 at the moment.
some pics taken about 30 mins ago
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oj1981
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All girls are looking good
there looking very healthy now and there starting to grow really fast!
Im going to switch to my 400w MH Once I put some more electric into my meter in 3 days time
Then watch them boom up for one or two weeks then put them into flower with my 600w HPS
No serious problems so far.
there looking very healthy now and there starting to grow really fast!
Im going to switch to my 400w MH Once I put some more electric into my meter in 3 days time
Then watch them boom up for one or two weeks then put them into flower with my 600w HPS
No serious problems so far.
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newbganjafarma
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hey wuts up bro? ur babies are looking good.. i noticed in ur journal u said ur started using nutes? what kinda nutes are u using rite now? i also got my first grow going on rite now for the very first time.. im at about 59 days in total i vegged for 52 days and its been about 7 days as of today into the flowering cycle.. check out my grow on my link if u'd like.. im also goin to b having sum new pics up later on tonite also good luck with ur grow man keep it up!
Looking good my man, Just wanna tell you my Gforce came back! He is about 4 weeks and is a runt and I thought he was dead. I pulled the cube and saw he had roots YAY! I transferred him to aero system and gave him some nutes today and we shall see. I have 1 Gforce seedling, 3 AKs seedings, and 6 White Diesel fems clones. I wonder how you handle the different flowering times if the 3 strains are all in the same system and go 12/12 and the same time. I guess I'll do my research.
oj1981
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hey stilzz.
Good to hear she is back
give her lots of love mate.
also with ya nutes start at about a 1/4 strength and adjust from there
Yeh all girls are looking very well at the moment.
Im going to put my 400w MH on in 2 days time to give them the light boost they need.
I hope to switch to flower once they are about 3 feet tall.
The Aero system should give your G Force a great start in life!
and with the other strains once you go into flower, you probably would need to keep an eye on them
all and cut down the ones that are ready
Also with my PH level. It is a bit high for my hydro system but I still consider it to be
in the green zone and know it wont affect them too much. If my PH reaches 6.8 I will add
some PH down to the res. its a steady 6.4 though and the plants seem to like it
Good luck! You got some good strains on the go. Just give em love mate and they will grow great
You got any pics of your babies?
Hey Newbganjafarma
Iv posted on your Journal mate.
Your grow looks good mate
Best of luck the finish line is in sight!
Cant wait to see some of ya new pics
Take it easy boys.
and happy growing
I will get some more pics up in the next few days.
Good to hear she is back
give her lots of love mate.
also with ya nutes start at about a 1/4 strength and adjust from there
Yeh all girls are looking very well at the moment.
Im going to put my 400w MH on in 2 days time to give them the light boost they need.
I hope to switch to flower once they are about 3 feet tall.
The Aero system should give your G Force a great start in life!
and with the other strains once you go into flower, you probably would need to keep an eye on them
all and cut down the ones that are ready
Also with my PH level. It is a bit high for my hydro system but I still consider it to be
in the green zone and know it wont affect them too much. If my PH reaches 6.8 I will add
some PH down to the res. its a steady 6.4 though and the plants seem to like it
Good luck! You got some good strains on the go. Just give em love mate and they will grow great
You got any pics of your babies?
Hey Newbganjafarma
Iv posted on your Journal mate.
Your grow looks good mate
Best of luck the finish line is in sight!
Cant wait to see some of ya new pics
Take it easy boys.
and happy growing
I will get some more pics up in the next few days.
oj1981
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another quick update
not much has changed so far.
All girls still look ok.
Im a little worried about the fact there
is no hummiditty when the lights are on and going to see if I can change this tomorrow.
current timings for the feeder for the lights on a 15 min feed every hour and lights off 15 min feed every 2 hours.
Im going to increase this to a 15 min feed every 45 mins lights on and 15 min feed every 90 mins when the lights are off and see how they get on.
hopefully will bring hummiditty up slightly when the lights are on.
I will be running my 400w MH as from tomorrow night. try to get these girls growing a bit faster!
im drawing in some nice cool air from outside now and temps are about 26c/78f in the tent when lights are on and around 19c/66f when the lights are off with humidditty at around 60%. fans come on twice for 15 mins during the 6 hours lights off period.
couple more pics of there current progress.
one shows some very slight browning on the very tip of one or 2 leafs on a couple of the plants. Im hoping this does not develope into anything major!
I have not used any more nutes since there first 1/4 strength dose 6 days ago.
not much has changed so far.
All girls still look ok.
Im a little worried about the fact there
is no hummiditty when the lights are on and going to see if I can change this tomorrow.
current timings for the feeder for the lights on a 15 min feed every hour and lights off 15 min feed every 2 hours.
Im going to increase this to a 15 min feed every 45 mins lights on and 15 min feed every 90 mins when the lights are off and see how they get on.
hopefully will bring hummiditty up slightly when the lights are on.
I will be running my 400w MH as from tomorrow night. try to get these girls growing a bit faster!
im drawing in some nice cool air from outside now and temps are about 26c/78f in the tent when lights are on and around 19c/66f when the lights are off with humidditty at around 60%. fans come on twice for 15 mins during the 6 hours lights off period.
couple more pics of there current progress.
one shows some very slight browning on the very tip of one or 2 leafs on a couple of the plants. Im hoping this does not develope into anything major!
I have not used any more nutes since there first 1/4 strength dose 6 days ago.
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oj1981
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quick update from yesterday
Lamp is due to go off in about 30 mins for 6 hours.
Im going to switch from my 250 MH to the 400 MH once the lamp cools down
at the moment temps are a steady 27c/80f at the plants.
lamp is sitting about 3 feet above the plants.
PH in the res is about 6.1.
Feed times will be adjusted as detailed in my previous post today as well.
Im going to start misting my plants today when the lamp is off. I have diluted around 1ml of nutirent solution into my half litre misting bottle.
some more pics taken a few mins ago before lights out!
one plant on the last pic has started to show some kind of really dark green colour to a couple of its leafs and the leafs look slightly damaged but not to bad at the moment. I think it could be slight nute burn but the other 7 girls are fine so I will be keeping a close eye on this one.
Hopefully you can see what I mean in the last 2 Pics.
If anyone has any ideas to what this could be please let me know.
Thanks
Lamp is due to go off in about 30 mins for 6 hours.
Im going to switch from my 250 MH to the 400 MH once the lamp cools down
at the moment temps are a steady 27c/80f at the plants.
lamp is sitting about 3 feet above the plants.
PH in the res is about 6.1.
Feed times will be adjusted as detailed in my previous post today as well.
Im going to start misting my plants today when the lamp is off. I have diluted around 1ml of nutirent solution into my half litre misting bottle.
some more pics taken a few mins ago before lights out!
one plant on the last pic has started to show some kind of really dark green colour to a couple of its leafs and the leafs look slightly damaged but not to bad at the moment. I think it could be slight nute burn but the other 7 girls are fine so I will be keeping a close eye on this one.
Hopefully you can see what I mean in the last 2 Pics.
If anyone has any ideas to what this could be please let me know.
Thanks
