First Grow! Sealed/Closed Room, 2400 watts, CO2, Mini-Split AC, SmartPots, Dehum!

legallyflying

legallyflying

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xivex said:
Serious Cat looks .... serious. :)

Here's my plan...

1) sterlize myself and my prep area
2) use new sterile razor blade dipped in alcohol and allowed to dry to take two 3-5" cuttings from each plant (aim for new growth, right?)
3) immediately dip fresh cutting into Clonex Gel (in a shot glass, NOT from the jar)
4) prune off excess leaves/branches from the cutting
5) insert cutting into ez-cloner
6) label ez-cloner sites to keep track of which cutting is from which plant
7) Run in ez-cloner for about 7-10 days and then transplant into 3 gal smart pots and start the next cycle of LSD! :)

Any last minute tips or suggestions? Does my plan sounds okay?

Thanks everyone!

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Sounds like a great plan. My only comment..you ARE going to sterilize the ex-clone before you put them in there..RIGHT?
 
xivex

xivex

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legallyflying said:
Sounds like a great plan. My only comment..you ARE going to sterilize the ex-clone before you put them in there..RIGHT?
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I certainly will now that you've had the wisdom and forethought to point that out! I'll soak the neoprene collars in alcohol tomorrow and let them dry out for an hour before reinserting them and letting it continue to run. I did wash the ez-cloner out beforehand so it should be semi-sterile! :)

Thanks,

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Gotta Get It

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Really like ur setup. Seems like u are on ur way. I have a question.....actually a few. You said this was a 'non medica'l grow...wat do u do about electricity usage? Are you running 120v? Wat about thermal imaging? Is that not a concern where you leave?
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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I do believe that it was determined that thermo scanning of residential homes was unconstitutional.

to witt...

The Supreme Court held “where, as here, the Government uses a device that is not in general public use, to explore details of the home that would previously have been unknowable without physical intrusion, the surveillance is a "search" and is presumptively unreasonable without a warrant.”ii
In the case, the government argued that the scan only detected heat that emanated from the home and not the “intimate details” of the interior of the home. However, the court held further that any information from the home that cannot be obtained without physical entry or sophisticated equipment, such as a thermal imager that is not readily available to the public, is considered “intimate details” of the home. Therefore, the police needed a search warrant to scan the home using a thermal imager.
 
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Illumination

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legallyflying said:
I do believe that it was determined that thermo scanning of residential homes was unconstitutional.

to witt...

The Supreme Court held “where, as here, the Government uses a device that is not in general public use, to explore details of the home that would previously have been unknowable without physical intrusion, the surveillance is a "search" and is presumptively unreasonable without a warrant.”ii
In the case, the government argued that the scan only detected heat that emanated from the home and not the “intimate details” of the interior of the home. However, the court held further that any information from the home that cannot be obtained without physical entry or sophisticated equipment, such as a thermal imager that is not readily available to the public, is considered “intimate details” of the home. Therefore, the police needed a search warrant to scan the home using a thermal imager.
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that is if they want to use it in a court proceeding...they can use it to peer in to confirm street talk..then the rat is viable due to what they know from the ir scan but aLL THEY USE IS THE RAT TO OBTAIN THE WARRANT....BESIDES THE DUDE UP THERE SMEELS LIKE DEA OR COP OR SOMETHING...IMHHO

Namaste':leaf:
 
xivex

xivex

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All good info to know, thanks for clearing that up legallyflying and illumination. Much respect! :) Thanks!!

I'm done talking about this subject...it creeps me out. :) Lets talk about something beautiful like flowers! :)
 
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Gotta Get It

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believe me in no cop! very far from it but either way i wanted to start my own and those are some of my concerns. guess this isnt the place to ask. thanx anyway
 
xivex

xivex

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Today I installed the tarp doorway to seperate my veg and flower chambers in the room. We used 6 mil Black & White Panda Film. I put the white side in the flower room to help with reflectivity in the flower chamber. The veg side is black. I need to light proof it still and check for light leaks which I'm sure there are some...but at least its in, and I can tweak it later! I used industrial strength 25' velcro roll, gorilla tape, and a staple gun to install the tarp doorway onto the walls and ceiling. I doubt its going anywhere.. ;)

After installing the tarp doorway, I noticed the veg room was now getting substantially hotter...the mini-split AC evaporator unit is wall mounted on the side wall of the flower chamber so by installing the tarp doorway I am worried I might have fucked up the environment in veg. To combat this, I ducted the 2 reflectors in veg and installed the Sun Shields on the reflectors as well. Used insulated R6.0 HVAC ducting for the lights. The veg chamber seemed to be cooler after ducting the lights and installing the sun shields on my 2 veg reflectors. Kicked on the inline fan (440 CFM EcoPlus 6" Supreme) to exhaust the veg lights. Felt like it had a good deal of suction from the far end after turning it on and ducting most of it up. So I assume its going to keep my reflectors cool. We shall see! I cleared the min/max on my hygrometer to measure temp and humidity in the room after all this was done. I'll check on it over the next few days and see if the heat problem in veg is handled or not...if not the only other solution I can think of to keep my veg chamber cooler is to maybe put a floor sitting fan in flower and point it into veg and cut and seal the tarp doorway around the fan to allow it to pump cool air from flower back into veg through the tarp doorway. This solution may cause light leaks in flower though and I'd have to figure out how to handle that..was thinking maybe putting a black thin cloth around the back of the fan would prevent light leakage into flower from veg...ideas? Hopefully veg will stay cool and this won't be needed...we shall see in the next couple of days!

I also used a temp gun to check the tops of the plants and the bottom and top of the reflectors at various points. Plant leaf canopy averaging 78-80F, reflector top averaging low-mid 80's. I'll temp shoot it again tomorrow to see if its improved or worsened..

So basically today was a day of change for my room and I'll have to see how everything reacts over the next 2 days to dial it back in and make any needed adjustments...what do you all think?


The tarp doorway crap was a pre-requisite to perpetual grow in my setup, so I hope this all works. If not, I won't be able to run veg/flower at the same time and I'll have to just convert the room into one big room where I just run one complete cycle all the way through to finish before starting anything else...downside, the turnover would be much longer...upside, I could grow under all 5 lamps at once. So more plants each cycle...just longer cycles.

Thoughts? Comments? Ideas?

Thanks,

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Illumination

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xivex said:
Today I installed the tarp doorway to seperate my veg and flower chambers in the room. We used 6 mil Black & White Panda Film. I put the white side in the flower room to help with reflectivity in the flower chamber. The veg side is black. I need to light proof it still and check for light leaks which I'm sure there are some...but at least its in, and I can tweak it later! I used industrial strength 25' velcro roll, gorilla tape, and a staple gun to install the tarp doorway onto the walls and ceiling. I doubt its going anywhere.. ;)

After installing the tarp doorway, I noticed the veg room was now getting substantially hotter...the mini-split AC evaporator unit is wall mounted on the side wall of the flower chamber so by installing the tarp doorway I am worried I might have fucked up the environment in veg. To combat this, I ducted the 2 reflectors in veg and installed the Sun Shields on the reflectors as well. Used insulated R6.0 HVAC ducting for the lights. The veg chamber seemed to be cooler after ducting the lights and installing the sun shields on my 2 veg reflectors. Kicked on the inline fan (440 CFM EcoPlus 6" Supreme) to exhaust the veg lights. Felt like it had a good deal of suction from the far end after turning it on and ducting most of it up. So I assume its going to keep my reflectors cool. We shall see! I cleared the min/max on my hygrometer to measure temp and humidity in the room after all this was done. I'll check on it over the next few days and see if the heat problem in veg is handled or not...if not the only other solution I can think of to keep my veg chamber cooler is to maybe put a floor sitting fan in flower and point it into veg and cut and seal the tarp doorway around the fan to allow it to pump cool air from flower back into veg through the tarp doorway. This solution may cause light leaks in flower though and I'd have to figure out how to handle that..was thinking maybe putting a black thin cloth around the back of the fan would prevent light leakage into flower from veg...ideas? Hopefully veg will stay cool and this won't be needed...we shall see in the next couple of days!

I also used a temp gun to check the tops of the plants and the bottom and top of the reflectors at various points. Plant leaf canopy averaging 78-80F, reflector top averaging low-mid 80's. I'll temp shoot it again tomorrow to see if its improved or worsened..

So basically today was a day of change for my room and I'll have to see how everything reacts over the next 2 days to dial it back in and make any needed adjustments...what do you all think?


The tarp doorway crap was a pre-requisite to perpetual grow in my setup, so I hope this all works. If not, I won't be able to run veg/flower at the same time and I'll have to just convert the room into one big room where I just run one complete cycle all the way through to finish before starting anything else...downside, the turnover would be much longer...upside, I could grow under all 5 lamps at once. So more plants each cycle...just longer cycles.

Thoughts? Comments? Ideas?

Thanks,

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Keep it simple stupid?

Personally I would do larger complete grows and eliminate the headaches and use all the light and cooling for the whole thing...simpler and just as productive...just more at a time...IMHHO

Namaste':leaf:
 
xivex

xivex

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Illumination said:
Keep it simple stupid?

Personally I would do larger complete grows and eliminate the headaches and use all the light and cooling for the whole thing...simpler and just as productive...just more at a time...IMHHO

Namaste':leaf:
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KISS is definitely a great philosophy. If veg gets too hot for whatever reason or the environment can't be controlled, this is what I will be doing for sure...just ripping it off and using all 5 lights lights at once...we will see.


On another note, 5 of 9 total plants have now shown pistils..no balls yet. But 4 of them still haven't shown so we shall see, fingers crossed. Surprisingly they are fucking humongous, I can't believe they haven't shown preflowers yet!!!! Its crazy. Some of the sativa phenos are like 2.5 feet tall. They are leggy as a motherfucker too, hugely long nodes on those phenos. I am thinking they will all be pre-flowered in a week. I'm starting to see little bumps on the internodes behind the stipules that look like the emergence of calyx's on several of the remaining ones....so I'm hoping in 4 or 5 days we'll see pistils on them too. :)

Hoping to take clones this weekend and get them started before Monday and then if they are all pre-flowering, throw em into flower... FINALLY!!!! :)

PICS TOMORROW!!! SORRY FOR THE DELAY!!! CANT WAIT! :)
 
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Illumination

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I am confidant they will all be female

I have a sativa pheno going as well and am glad

And you will be tearing it down....lol

Namaste':leaf:
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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Xivex, Do you have any pictures of the new isolated veg set-up? I did the same thing essentially (and of course have to make it bigger as I am in the process of converting everything to bucket based ebb/flow (which is going to fucking money).

The only issue with a sealed room and two different areas is the humidity levels. Can't keep the humidity perfect for veg and flower at the same time but shouldn't be too big of an issue. I stabilized my veg area by exhausting my carbon scrubber into the veg tent. I constructed a light proof exhaust baffle from the veg tent out of panda film and 1 x1s. There is a picture of it in page 8 of my grow journal.

I had a hell of a time keeping my veg tent closed without light escaping, especially with all the positive pressure of the carbon filter pumping into it. And the velcro kept coming off the panda film. What I eventually did..and I hope this makes sense... Is I stapled the end of the "wall" of panda to a floor to ceiling mounted. Think of it acting like a wall stud, the panda is on the veg tent side of the stud. Then I stapled an identical 2 x 2 to the end of the panda film "door". When I want to close the tent I clap those two together with two of those $.99 spring clamps. There is a couple of inches of material that is looped back over the the 2x and secured to the panda "wall" with a couple velcro tabs. completely light proof and easy to get in and out of.

here is a diagram of what I'm talking about..

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