sven deisel
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any one ever try the old stick a nail in the stem thing?
flower power with pics 36 0n 12 off
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sven deisel
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from what i have heard its spoed to by jurting the plant make it pump more res out and i read somewere about topping a bud will make it double out at the top. idk know i have never tried this but we r going to c because i did. i topped 1 bud just to see if it getts any fatter or anything and went out and bought some hypo needle tips from tractor supply and put 1 thru a stem on each dif week of them. so we will see if it real does anything. plus i just like the shit storms that trying dif things starts
del66666
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big balls 1 for the future !!!PBFseedco.
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Subscribed. Looking forward to how this works out for ya! I have heard the nail thing but never heard of the topping of the bud. I have also heard scratching the shit out of the bottom of the stem (next to the soil) with a SOS pad two days before harvest works well as well
STZ
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I was told to use rusty nails, specifically. I used the nail through the stem last year on about a half dozen outdoor plants and noticed no difference between those and the ones I didn't put nails in.Subscribed. Looking forward to how this works out for ya! I have heard the nail thing but never heard of the topping of the bud. I have also heard scratching the shit out of the bottom of the stem (next to the soil) with a SOS pad two days before harvest works well as well
The idea behind this, I think, is based on how the plant supplies energy to its roots and foliage, respectively. You see, the stem of a plant has a thick inner section as well as a thin outer section (what you might call its "bark). Now this thick inner section is where the nutrients and water obtained by the roots are transported up the stem to the leaves and buds. The outer "bark" section is where sugars created through photosynthesis are transported down the stem to the roots so they can expand and thrive. If you rub a steel SOS pad on the stem, you're pretty much detroying the path of these sugars from the leaves to the roots and, in theory, they are re-routed to the buds, resulting in bigger, more potent nugs. I hear that it really pumps buds up if you take a razor blade and literally remove (cutting out) an inch or two of the "bark" like a few days to a week prior to harvest. Of course, ill let someone else try it and get back to me before I give it a shot
I'm not sure this is EXACTLY how the process works, as im not a botanist or biologist or anything...im just a pot grower who probably spends too much time lurking around gardening forums soaking up bits of knowledge like this
first post on rollitup. Wanted to let everyone know there is an abundance of information about the 36/12 light cycle, its effect on the length of flowering, possible yield increases, and variations of the technique. Just look up "Planet Ito Cannabis" on Google, the 36/12 light cycle has been referred to as the light cycle on Planet Ito for some time now. Keep up the good work Sven, glad to see someone is not swayed by the naysayers.
That 5hit
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im lost
cant find the site you are talking about
please post a link to it
or past some info here
what is this planet ito
in order to get 36/12 it would have to be
shaped oddly
have 2 suns
spin slow and then for some reason speed up
and on this planet is it always 36/12, or is it like here where the season change the lights hours get shorter
That 5hit
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this is all i can find
is this a real place or just a theory
http://www.marijuana-ro.com/grow-faq/growroom-efficiency/improving-your-yields/how-do-i-manipulate-the-photoperiod-for-larger-yields-on-planet-ito.html
is this a real place or just a theory
http://www.marijuana-ro.com/grow-faq/growroom-efficiency/improving-your-yields/how-do-i-manipulate-the-photoperiod-for-larger-yields-on-planet-ito.html
watercooled@
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I would love a side by side test one day. I believe the yield increase will not pay the extra energy, but I like different...{shrug}
That 5hit
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yes i would also think flowering would take longer but yeilds more, but you prolly could vegg shorter
That 5hit - I am willing to bet Planet Ito is entirely fictional (largely for the reasons you stated), and is used for illustrative purposes only.
watercooled@ - I think everyone would love a side-by-side test. I agree that the yield may not increase proportionally to the amount of light increase; i.e. tripling the light will probably not triple the yield. As far as electricity is concerned, 36/12 is the same cost as having two additional lights, of the same wattage, and all three running on 12/12. No matter how you slice it, there are definitely more cost and energy efficient methods to increase your TOTAL crop yield.
Having said that, I think there are some situations where this light cycle is much more realistic than adding lights, and will likely increase his PER-PLANT yield, all else being equal.
Say you are limited to growing 6 plants, due to space, licensing, or whatever. Assuming that you can get 1oz per plant, and an ounce is worth $300, then with only a 10% increase in overall yield, you have gained 0.6oz/16.8g, or about $180. If it didn't cost you an extra $180 to leave the light(s) on, then you are already ahead of the game. I would bet that 10% gain in plant yield would not be unreasonable using this light schedule, but that is purely a guess.
In the end, i think it comes down to your limiting factor. If you got tons of space, no plant restrictions, etc. then why bother with 36/12, just get some more lights and concurrently grow more plants. If you are limited by plant numbers, space, etc. then it may make sense to try and get the absolute most yield out of each crop by using the 36/12 schedule.
Long and short of it: I dont think that 3x the light (36/12) with 1x the plants will EVER produce as much as 3x the plants and 1x light (12/12).
Good luck to all, with whatever lighting choice you make
watercooled@ - I think everyone would love a side-by-side test. I agree that the yield may not increase proportionally to the amount of light increase; i.e. tripling the light will probably not triple the yield. As far as electricity is concerned, 36/12 is the same cost as having two additional lights, of the same wattage, and all three running on 12/12. No matter how you slice it, there are definitely more cost and energy efficient methods to increase your TOTAL crop yield.
Having said that, I think there are some situations where this light cycle is much more realistic than adding lights, and will likely increase his PER-PLANT yield, all else being equal.
Say you are limited to growing 6 plants, due to space, licensing, or whatever. Assuming that you can get 1oz per plant, and an ounce is worth $300, then with only a 10% increase in overall yield, you have gained 0.6oz/16.8g, or about $180. If it didn't cost you an extra $180 to leave the light(s) on, then you are already ahead of the game. I would bet that 10% gain in plant yield would not be unreasonable using this light schedule, but that is purely a guess.
In the end, i think it comes down to your limiting factor. If you got tons of space, no plant restrictions, etc. then why bother with 36/12, just get some more lights and concurrently grow more plants. If you are limited by plant numbers, space, etc. then it may make sense to try and get the absolute most yield out of each crop by using the 36/12 schedule.
Long and short of it: I dont think that 3x the light (36/12) with 1x the plants will EVER produce as much as 3x the plants and 1x light (12/12).
Good luck to all, with whatever lighting choice you make
That 5hit
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this same arguements were made with vegg time
1mth compared to 2wks
i wonder if this method would make a 1wk vegged plant yeild like a 1mth vegged plant set too 12/12
if this rings true then the running cost would equal to the same
with the 36/12 having the same yeild as the 12/12 plant but being a shorter plant
under this theory the only advantage is a shorter plant
see when you go to 12 off
the plant is working on bud growth
1mth compared to 2wks
i wonder if this method would make a 1wk vegged plant yeild like a 1mth vegged plant set too 12/12
if this rings true then the running cost would equal to the same
with the 36/12 having the same yeild as the 12/12 plant but being a shorter plant
under this theory the only advantage is a shorter plant
see when you go to 12 off
the plant is working on bud growth
watercooled@
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That 5hit / MMJ1229
It would be particularly interesting to see the results using a dual arc bulb throughout the grow with a shorter then usual veg.
Then again, the control would also be using the dual arc.
It would be particularly interesting to see the results using a dual arc bulb throughout the grow with a shorter then usual veg.
Then again, the control would also be using the dual arc.
That 5hit
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yeah would be nice
i see there are benefits to this
to each there own
i like the fact that if you are concerned about light company noticing a pattern this method blurs daily usage spike patterns. and this could be a real good thing if there no extra running cost which i think there is not, just use a shorter vegg time if your going to 36/12
you prolly could do a comparason of 12/12 form seed to 36/12 from seed just to see the differants i'm willing to bet that the 36/12 form seed would look like, and yeild like a plant that had been vegged for 3wks
i see there are benefits to this
to each there own
i like the fact that if you are concerned about light company noticing a pattern this method blurs daily usage spike patterns. and this could be a real good thing if there no extra running cost which i think there is not, just use a shorter vegg time if your going to 36/12
you prolly could do a comparason of 12/12 form seed to 36/12 from seed just to see the differants i'm willing to bet that the 36/12 form seed would look like, and yeild like a plant that had been vegged for 3wks
sixstring2112
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Interesting light schedule, but i'm thinking about how it would change how and when you do your work in your grow room. I barely have time to do what needs to be done in mine and it's the same shit every day. your romm would have to run flawlessly all the time or you would have to live your life on a 36/12 to keep up with shit. maybe i just spend too much time with my girls I'm doing a 13/11 and they are loving it so i'm open to this theory.
I'm doing a 13/11 and they are loving it so i'm open to this theory.
Shrubs First
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I did that, check my first grow, and then check my current grow, it is obvious which
plants will be yielding better, my 4 week plants are gonna probably get about 2 oz
per plant whereas my 2 weeks plants got me about .75 oz per plant.
Realistically, unless you are a shady dude, spike patterns mean nothing to energy companies
who knows maybe you have a sick aquarium running 2 400W MH's with tons of blowers, pumps and
other gizmo's. There are plenty of reasons to have daily electricity patterns.