For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

anybody have any leads on a place to get expansion kits for cheap. or just black buckets the same size?I need to add about 15

Also wondering what you'd recommend i have a 7x11 room with 3-1000 's how many plants??? I was thinking between 6-9 per light

mrduke said:

anybody have any leads on a place to get expansion kits for cheap. or just black buckets the same size?I need to add about 15

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Ebb-Gro-6-Module-Expansion-kit-Discount-price-/160461296128?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255c3d1200#ht_500wt_1156

$45 for 6 site expansion with 25' of tubing, all grommets and t connectors and cheap shipping. He ships from pennsylvania and these are the same exact ones I use.

Right now I'm trying 16 plants under some lights, 12 under others in flower room A (no pics yet till tonight). All same genetics. I want to see the yield difference. For your room, 7x11 is a small space for 3000w. Each 1000w works a 4' space square, I let them work a 5' space square in my room because the plants sitll grow great with overlapping light.

I would stick with the black buckets, the reflectiveness of the white ones can promote green mold (Have you experienced this Kitty?). When calculating how to fill a room square feet is a great place to start. The other main factors would be the size of your hoods, the genetic traits of the strain and the future ease/difficulty of maintenance. I agree with Kitty about the 4'x4' footprint as a general guideline that can be pushed to meet personal needs. 7'x11' is a bit of an awkward size, you may benefit from some type of light mover or maybe 4 or 5 600w's (the Wattage would be less/same). Knowing the grow traits of your strain is immensely helpful. This helps you to create and even canopy that still allows light penetration which creates more uniformity in flower production/size. The sections of tubing between my T's are 12-13" long but I am growing OG and I don't let the plants get taller than 3'

I get zero algae or mold from white buckets. I've used white buckets for the last 2 years in veg and for the last few months flowering now with these.

If it's a single white bucket, expect some algae. But two white buckets arent getting any light past two layers of that to really do anything as you'd actually use them.

Clear tubing, or any tubing that lets in light gets a lot of nice thick green algae buildup, stay away from that at all costs.

how possible do yaw think it is to grow with probablly 1 hps 150 watt in a closet basically 3X1, without having a actual exhaust. probably about 6 plants using ebb and flow system. ill try to get fresh air in by basic techniques lol

mrduke said:

anybody have any leads on a place to get expansion kits for cheap. or just black buckets the same size?I need to add about 15

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i got a brand new box of the white kit ill sell for 40 plus shipping, let me know only have one kit so 6 buckets

Nice Catch Kitty, Algae is definitely the correct term. I had some white buckets that came from a friend after he used them and they had a fair amount of algae on them , the black ones didn't so I used them. Of course that could have been caused by a number of other factors. I would grow in a tent before I used a closet that small.

Can anyone give me any advice on how to get rid of these long white larvae that are growing in my resivoir and showing up in my buckets?These gnats are reproducing rapidly. I have Azatrol but I"m in week 6 flowering and don't know if it will affect the plants.

you can use it in week 6 just make sure you do a good flush in the end even if you have to add a week or less to the timeline

take your plants out put em buckets with clean h2o,load your system up with diluted muratic acid,cycle it non stop for a while,dump it,flush it with clean h20 and baking soda,dump,flush,check ph ,and resume grow,jus' a thought,save ya from runnin' chems in there anyway,good luck

Azamax is organic and can be used late in flower. Like hellraiser said "flush good" and youll be fine.

Then when you start your next crop put some nematodes in your rez and a couple sticky traps at the base of plants. If they come back repeat the Azamax and nematodes on next crop. Just dont Azamax your todes unless they are being held hostage

You will kill them eventually and they arent the end of the world to have a few flyin around in the mean time.

smoke10joints said:

how possible do yaw think it is to grow with probablly 1 hps 150 watt in a closet basically 3X1, without having a actual exhaust. probably about 6 plants using ebb and flow system. ill try to get fresh air in by basic techniques lol

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Ebb & Flow for 6 plants? Just toss in some dirt and hand water those. Realistically, 150 watt hps wont really generate much heat to worry about. A gentle breeze over the plants is a very, very smart thing to have though!

Can anyone give a good estimate of how many mL's per gal I can mix in a resevoir? I have some Azatrol, is that very different from Azamax?

I use Azamax as a drench.

1 tbl per gallon. mix well and use a water can and be liberal. Repeat in a week.

I know dudes that Azamax every 2 weeks no matter if they got fungas gnats or not.

wow! what a great thread! ive been readin' it and couldnt stop,im just settin' up my first EnG with a few mods,im gonna try 3gal bucks with 6" net pots,with sunleave rocks,im gonna put the fill/drain at 2" above bottom of buck,place small air stone in bottom,the bucks are 10" deep,pots are 5"deep,this will leave 3" of exposed root mass area,with the root tips in the bubbles,i think ill have to step up the fill cycle?,to keep the root mass wet and fed, the logic being,rocks to support and retain some moisture,larger area for oxygenating root mass,oxygenated nute solution in case of cycle fail and supply increased oxygen to root tips and mass,with the bottom solution being exchanged every cycle,any reasons why this would not work?also i wanna come off fox farm nutes when i go into EnG any advice,suggestions,tips would be great. thanx in advance

med4u said:

wow! what a great thread! ive been readin' it and couldnt stop,im just settin' up my first EnG with a few mods,im gonna try 3gal bucks with 6" net pots,with sunleave rocks,im gonna put the fill/drain at 2" above bottom of buck,place small air stone in bottom,the bucks are 10" deep,pots are 5"deep,this will leave 3" of exposed root mass area,with the root tips in the bubbles,i think ill have to step up the fill cycle,to keep the root mass wet and fed, the logic being,rocks to support and retain some moisture,larger area for oxygenating root mass,oxygenated nute solution in case of cycle fail and supply increased oxygen to root tips and mass,with the bottom solution being exchanged every cycle,any reasons why this would not work?also i wanna come off fox farm nutes when i go into EnG any advice,suggestions,tips would be great. thanx in advance

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Would you like this growing setup to also be powered by a nuclear submarine too?

Seriously, you're going waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overboard for most likely less of a yield and a LOT less reliable with so many parts to that system too. Ebb & Grow works because its simple and not complicated. No net pots are needed, we dont need goofy stone alternatives, nor air stones since we have h2o2, less fill cycles because we dont have so much in equipment, and watering is much more reliable than hoping stuff floats down in the right spot.

Newer growers *always* want to go bonkers with these crazy new ideas. Lets get the basics down first eh?

duly noted.... thanx kitty

Good point kitty.

Thats why i switched from hydroton to the 6x6 rockwool. It is just plane out less labor and cheaper too.

And i think fungas gnats like hydroton more also.

Good luck.