For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

i81two said:

It is hardly an expense worth worrying about compared to all the labor associated with the hydroton. Ive done both and therre is no comparison.

Ebb and Gro, Ebb and flow. They are pretty much the same. You are flowing water over a medium for a period of time and then draining back to your rez. The only diff is the buckets act as the tray or a bunch of little ones if you will.

Also i wouldnt call anyone an idiot over the medium they use. If it works for them than great.

All i can say to the hydroton users in E&G is try one 6x6 RW cube in your next grow and i think you will be pleasantly suprised.

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So much bad information here, where to start..........

Ebb & GROW which is the FOCUS of this thread, uses BUCKETS. Feel free to continue exploring 6" rockwool cubes, in en ebb & FLOW thread, not ebb & GROW.

Calling someone an idiot over experimenting with medium and telling others to use it when they dont even know the difference between the two is great. they are an idiot for messing with a known system and trying to be cute by saving money when they recommend it and dont realize that its detrimental to the system, not beneficial.


"Hey you can jump off that bridge, its pretty safe I tried it twice, OH YEA you could just use the stairs though I just never tried it yet, bridge is less maintenance and hassle to just jump off of, only dorks use the stairs lol"



Anyway, to sum it up twice:

--> NO CRUSHED GRANITE as a growing medium, use that your an idiot.

--> Dont use 6" Rockwool cubes, WE USE BUCKETS NOT FLOOD TABLES. Recommend other products for OTHER SYSTEMS in THEIR THREADS, not the one about a bucket.

Make sense?

Kitty has to keep everyone on the same page; apparently she believes it's her job. She would have made a good bolshevik. And idiot is her favorite word for anyone she disagrees with, 'fucking idiot' in my case. Semantics are very important to her, so don't use the wrong words or terms or you will get flamed. Oh, and you will fail if you don't follow her beliefs in every way. No freedom to experiment, or if you do, keep it secret from RK.

You can talk about any technique you want in this thread. It's not Kitty's, she didn't start it, she has absolutely no say over who or what gets posted here,

shnkrmn said:

Kitty has to keep everyone on the same page; apparently she believes it's her job. She would have made a good bolshevik. And idiot is her favorite word for anyone she disagrees with, 'fucking idiot' in my case. Semantics are very important to her, so don't use the wrong words or terms or you will get flamed. Oh, and you will fail if you don't follow her beliefs in every way. No freedom to experiment, or if you do, keep it secret from RK.

You can talk about any technique you want in this thread. It's not Kitty's, she didn't start it, she has absolutely no say over who or what gets posted here,

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Someone got told up once and didnt like it. =) We have a different view apparently. I view my posting in threads as helpful. Maybe that's why my rep is sky high, continual thanks from people asking questions, and general support of the RIU community is strong. Here and there you find a troll, who just wants to post to post and make fun of someone. That post #1307 was yours. Try viewing my post history, and see how much I post here to be supportive and helpful.

If you looked like an idiot in a thread, then sorry, try not to look like an idiot again and post factual information, not bullshit. =P

If anyone in the thread sounds like an idiot its you kitty. As a matter of fact you sound like a dumb cunt. It sounds like your more worried about how many posts you have than letting different and proven successfull techniques be heard and used.

Flood and drain and an ebb gro are basicly the same princables. You flood either a tray or a bucket. Pick your poison. Then it flows or drains (whatever the fuck u wanna call it) back to the rez. I dont care if ur using hydroton or RW or ur ole mans skid stained boxer shorts.

This is a great thread. Dont try to fuck it up for people.

lol at 'got told up'. Is that some colorful canadianism? Sorry, I'm old and not up on youth lingo.

I just don't like narrow-minded forum bullies. Waving your rep at me is laughable at best.

No shit man.

Im growing buds bigger than than footballs with rw in e&g and thats all there is to it.

I also use the big mama rw in a tray (and i hope kitty doesnt get mad because its against the laws of hydro) and use a drip instead of a flood and drain with them. Wow, how many ways is there to lick pussy err i mean skin a kat err i mean grow pot.

researchkitty said:

6 ounces per is a lot, but yea that long veg time will help and lollipop em too! Lots of fresh air if you dont have co2, 24oz off of 1000w is very reasonable for the average great strain

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Strain is Grape Stomper. It has Sour D & Chemdog in the genetics, which are both massive yielders.

Someguy15 is an E&Ger on here, and he says he gets damn near 8 oz/plant with a 4 week veg. Not sure about his CO2 status, but my garden follows the laws of physics. I have my exhaust set to come on at 78*F, but even with 4 1000's the temps are barely crackin 72*F in the room....it's been cold. =) I have a passive intake, so fresh air is being drawn in by osmosis while the fan is off. =) It sucks because I just lollipopped em last night, and the whole area smelled like veg this morning because my Phresh filter isnt being utilized.

and for some reason kitty calls me a idiot for having a friend useing crushed granite, well fuck his his shit looks great and im using hydroton and it looks good and my
secound system is going to be RW so Il be watching all three. you know this is the best thing about hydro there not just one way to do it and thats the reason I
switch to it and if kitty wants to be a forum nazy about what she believes then she needs to start a thread for just her ways cuz this imachure shit is getting old
and geting way off topic. Im a DIY kind of person and love to show the upgrades Ive done to this EBB @ GROW system, and perposing new ideas and I get flamed
by her.

I was woundering when the majority of this threads poster would've had enough of 'ol miss kitty's shit. about time. Open your mind and shut your mouth

How many times a day are you guys flooding with RW and under how many watts?
I know it's varies from room to room and a few things factor into the flood times.

Friends,
This is a forum. It is a place to share ideas and opinions or what some may consider facts. The truth here is that we are seeking stability amongst many variables. The best way to achieve this is with accurate data. But how do we know which data is accurate? Besides not being able to verify each others credentials, there is an inherent amount of paranoia and secretiveness associated with this process that makes this difficult as well. IMO showing some discipline about how you share information would be the first step to establishing credentials worth following or believing in. This includes accurately describing situations and data with decent grammar and hopefully some pictures without sliding in to the use of exaggeration, expletives and emotions.
That being said, if we are operating off a principle of precedence the name of this thread is "for all cap ebb and grow users". The original poster had specific questions about this type of system and sought to "get a good discussion going and compile a good overall document on the system.". Leeway is given to "feel free to add anything else of interest you can think of. "
Science has no emotions, it only seeks truth. So if you have methods that are different than mine (with this system) and are getting good results then please, by all means share your information and share it as accurately as possible. The more data we get, the more precise we can be about the how & why of our results.

nahikuroots said:

Friends,
This is a forum. It is a place to share ideas and opinions or what some may consider facts. The truth here is that we are seeking stability amongst many variables. The best way to achieve this is with accurate data. But how do we know which data is accurate? Besides not being able to verify each others credentials, there is an inherent amount of paranoia and secretiveness associated with this process that makes this difficult as well. IMO showing some discipline about how you share information would be the first step to establishing credentials worth following or believing in. This includes accurately describing situations and data with decent grammar and hopefully some pictures without sliding in to the use of exaggeration, expletives and emotions.
That being said, if we are operating off a principle of precedence the name of this thread is "for all cap ebb and grow users". The original poster had specific questions about this type of system and sought to "get a good discussion going and compile a good overall document on the system.". Leeway is given to "feel free to add anything else of interest you can think of. "
Science has no emotions, it only seeks truth. So if you have methods that are different than mine (with this system) and are getting good results then please, by all means share your information and share it as accurately as possible. The more data we get, the more precise we can be about the how & why of our results.
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Now this is probably the most well though out statment in this entire thread + rep to you sir

powerplant74 said:

How many times a day are you guys flooding with RW and under how many watts?
I know it's varies from room to room and a few things factor into the flood times.

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I flood for 30 min an hour after the lights come on and for 30 min about 2 hours before they go out. Remmember that im in rw.

In hydroton i used to flood 3-4 times daily with same time scheme.

Hey guys i was interested a few monthss ago in this cap system but then i also been following this blokes vids on you tube and well here is his last video, you cant tekl for yourself jhe is not happy... lol fucking shit, puss fucking crap shit fuck....lol

tell me what ya reckon??? whats your thoughts and experiences??
[video=youtube;I_RXrs9HbDM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_RXrs9HbDM[/video]

This guy was singing praises about the same system a while back.

I personally have not had one leak since going to EG.

Maybe he is to rough with his shit or maybe there is something more personal going on that he isnt sharing with us.

tricka said:

Hey guys i was interested a few monthss ago in this cap system but then i also been following this blokes vids on you tube and well here is his last video, you cant tekl for yourself jhe is not happy... lol fucking shit, puss fucking crap shit fuck....lol

tell me what ya reckon??? whats your thoughts and experiences??
[video=youtube;I_RXrs9HbDM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_RXrs9HbDM[/video]

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Yes I agree with some of what he is saying. I'm in my second run with CAP Bucket system. They screwed me in the begining by sending me 2 different kinds of outer buckets. One has the recess in the bottom that is great for draining the others do not. The only way to get the good buckets is to spend the over priced $60.00 for the add on kits that only come with 6 inner and outer buckets. The quality of plastic is about as cheap as it gets and they sell the systems at a very high price. As far as the leaking, you have to only push in the connectors until the 3rd ring on the barb to get a good seal. Also you have to be very attentive to the condition of the rubber on the grommets. The grommets that come with the add on kits are crap. I have had to use better quality grommets from General Hydro. When I confronted CAP about these problems with their equipment I did not get a resolution from them. So I built my own bucket system for about 1/2 the price of their overpriced crap. I did have to buy CAP add on bucket kits to get all of the good buckets with the recess in the bottom which was the greatest cost in building this system. As for the controller bucket I found a great "build it yourself" kit from
http://www.aquahub.com/store/product39.html. The kit costs $120 and it has more safety switches than the one CAP sells and comes with a much better timer. I think CAP needs to step up their quality and start handling customer service better and most of all "LOWER THE PRICE"!

That video illustrates my point. All of his ranting and raving and passionate opinions seem very unnecessary. Obviously with minimal research we can find many people that attest to the opposite of what he is saying. Instead of trying to isolate his problem he is convinced of his infallibility and lays the blame solely on the system. I have had leaks with this system, They are generally easy to diagnose and fix. IMO here is his problem and it takes about 10 seconds to spot.

If you look closely you can see which setup creates a more effective seal.

i81two said:

If anyone in the thread sounds like an idiot its you kitty. As a matter of fact you sound like a dumb cunt. It sounds like your more worried about how many posts you have than letting different and proven successfull techniques be heard and used.

Flood and drain and an ebb gro are basicly the same princables. You flood either a tray or a bucket. Pick your poison. Then it flows or drains (whatever the fuck u wanna call it) back to the rez. I dont care if ur using hydroton or RW or ur ole mans skid stained boxer shorts.

This is a great thread. Dont try to fuck it up for people.

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Calling me a cunt wont help your cause. Try being a grown up. You want to call me a dumb cunt and that I dont know my stuff? Ok, check my grow journal. I'd check yours, but................ Additionally, my post count is pretty low, but go read all of them. You'll see most all of my posts are helpful, most of yours are well...........

6" Rockwool can be used in E&G Buckets. We all know this. That wasnt the conversation, the conversation was the *cost* of that versus Hydroton. You just choose to read whatever posts you want and argue later.

Still, your argument that E&G and F&D systems are same except they drain through a different hole? That's very technically inaccurate. The growing environment is completely different. Buckets create more height for plants. Cubes hold more water vs Hydroton. Flood times will be different. Nutrient buildup will be different. Algae growth potential is different. The flood and drain times are different. One has a consumable replacement cost, the other does not.

There's so much that's different.

But again, that's why this is the "for all cap ebb and grow users" thread and you can discuss any goofy alternatives you like in others.

shnkrmn said:

lol at 'got told up'. Is that some colorful canadianism? Sorry, I'm old and not up on youth lingo.

I just don't like narrow-minded forum bullies. Waving your rep at me is laughable at best.

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I'm an open minded forum bully. I dont wave my rep at anyone. Why would you assume I do? You have more posts and rep than me and you're telling that to me?






The difference between both of you and me is simple.


*I* am a constructive poster. You both are just posting to bitch. Argue with constructive thoughts and try to improve things instead of just being trolls and hating me so much for being right. If I'm wrong, please, correct me, but you dont have to be calling people dumb cunts. (Reported, too thanks for that)


Notice each time I reply, it isnt to post, but to correct a point of misinformation or to answer a question? My post here did that yet again..... I cant wait to read your stupid replies with zero constructive or educational information in them. If you dont have anything useful to say, please stop bumping this thread to 2000 posts of garbage. I'll be right here ready to correct your misinformed, uneducated, and inaccurate "help" you type to others.

The guy in the CAP video is a terribly, horrible grower. He has hundreds of Youtube videos and in each of them he complains of all the diseases, mold, insects, part problems, plant problems, etc......... If he spent 350 videos worth of time growing he'd have something much nicer to smoke!

Hey guys I'm in week 2 of flower and my plants have stopped drinking water and the ph keeps raising from 6 to 7 in 24 hours. I'm running 18 plants with hydroton and the technaflora recipe for success. Any suggestions on the problem and what I should do.

I was thinking I should flush the res and plants for 24 hours and then mix up 40 gallons of 3/4 strength.

Thanks in advance