Fuk Le Pen

UncleBuck said:
parisians were not vichy and they rounded up the paris jews.

but by all means, discount what a jew has to say to you about who hates the jews. maybe that will go as well for you as discounting what black people and women have to say when you are trying to win the democratic primary.
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The 7M who stayed home..what do you suppose was their demographic? Millenials?:lol:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ayed-home-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
 
UncleBuck said:
parisians were not vichy and they rounded up the paris jews.

but by all means, discount what a jew has to say to you about who hates the jews. maybe that will go as well for you as discounting what black people and women have to say when you are trying to win the democratic primary.
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Paris was full of Vichy sympathisers!
I'm not defending them. Using your heritage to beat others over the head is no better than racism, and will not advance your cause. You're getting far too shrill and polemic lately, I'm not your enemy.

It seems the French were able to rise above their flirtation with nationalism, so it appears progress has been made.

We'll see what the future holds, but as things stand I'm not at all certain the EU is the best option for the nations within it.
 
ttystikk said:
Paris was full of Vichy sympathisers!
I'm not defending them. Using your heritage to beat others over the head is no better than racism, and will not advance your cause. You're getting far too shrill and polemic lately, I'm not your enemy.

It seems the French were able to rise above their flirtation with nationalism, so it appears progress has been made.

We'll see what the future holds, but as things stand I'm not at all certain the EU is the best option for the nations within it.
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france was and still is full of anti-semites.

but yeah, just ignore that. no prob.
 
For democracy to really work, people need to be more equal, when it is used by un-homogenous groupings it sooner or later becomes a matter of 5 wolves and 3 sheep voting on what is for dinner.
 
I wonder how much Trump's complete lack of success in his first 100 days affected Le Pen's performance in the election?

Given they were both seen as anti-establishment, resurgent right candidates compared to each other many times.

At the 100 days mark Trump had completed roughly 7% of his term and has done absolutely NOTHING.
 
:P
"boor (n.)
13c., from Old French bovier "herdsman," from Latin bovis, genitive of bos "cow, ox." Re-introduced 16c. from Dutch boer, from Middle Dutch gheboer "fellow dweller," from Proto-Germanic *buram "dweller," especially "farmer," from PIE root *bheue- "to be, exist, grow."

I love the last bit

*bheue- "to be, exist, grow." Sums me up.​
 
schuylaar said:
The whole world was and still is.

But you'll just ignore that no problem.

Their shit is problematic and has been through history.

Bebe has cleved to his false flag- peace.
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Now that's some serious projection right there...

"Most of the world is anti-semetic"?

I'll do your usual and have to demand a link to the data for that.
 
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An unexpectedly large group, it included countries as diverse as Iran and Israel, Russia and Poland, and an array of American friends. The total capital commitment, $100 billion, was double the amount originally envisioned.
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ttystikk said:
Ask your friends living in Greece, Spain, Portugal and other countries that are unable to make adjustments to save their economies due to EU rules.

For a further discussion of this topic, I refer you to the thread I started, discussing the insights of economist Mark Blyth.
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Coordination of fiscal policy is essential to the EU - or any currency union. Maybe they should not have joined. They knew what they were doing.
 
Unclebaldrick said:
Coordination of fiscal policy is essential to the EU - or any currency union. Maybe they should not have joined. They knew what they were doing.
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That may be true, but now their well being is or should be a goal of the EU. If it isn't, then the EU organization is being predatory against its own members and that's no way to run a railroad.
 
ttystikk said:
That may be true, but now their well being is or should be a goal of the EU. If it isn't, then the EU organization is being predatory against its own members and that's no way to run a railroad.
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I do not agree. Certainly a situation like Greece needs to be managed and does present predatory opportunities (though much less so than our S&L crisis, home mortgage bubble, etc) but you cannot let fiscal policy diverge wildly with a single currency. The fault in this matter was with the Greek government. The aftermath is what we are discussing - not the cause.
 
Unclebaldrick said:
I do not agree. Certainly a situation like Greece needs to be managed and does present predatory opportunities (though much less so than our S&L crisis, home mortgage bubble, etc) but you cannot let fiscal policy diverge wildly with a single currency. The fault in this matter was with the Greek government. The aftermath is what we are discussing - not the cause.
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Yet the accepted solutions are against EU rules.

Greece has lost more GDP to EU austerity programs designed to prop up banks and bondholders than they did to the Nazis in WWII.

At what point do they do punishing the Greek people for the sins of leaders long gone?

Why must banks be protected at the expense of those who has nothing to do with the original problems? You know that people are dying because of this, right?

Why do you side with the banks instead of the people?
 
ttystikk said:
Yet the accepted solutions are against EU rules.

Greece has lost more GDP to EU austerity programs designed to prop up banks and bondholders than they did to the Nazis in WWII.

At what point do they do punishing the Greek people for the sins of leaders long gone?

Why must banks be protected at the expense of those who has nothing to do with the original problems? You know that people are dying because of this, right?

Why do you side with the banks instead of the people?
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It has nothing to do with that. Finance is finance in regard to a currency union. They should leave the union then - which would be about ten times worse. It was not the EU that killed these people, it was budgetary mischief of their government that got them here. If they were not in the currency union they would have devalued their currency to about 1/100th of the prior value. You don't think that would hurt people? The austerity programs are designed to protect the Euro. It isn't just banks and bondholders - its hundreds of millions of people who have all their assets valued in Euros. Greece fucked those people over by fiscal irresponsibility prior to the crisis. I'm very sorry it is happening - but it did. Saying that the banks and bondholders are doing this to make money ignores every non-Greek Euro user. How would you like it if Illinois' fiscal irresponsibility for the last ten years destroyed 99% of your savings?
 
Unclebaldrick said:
It has nothing to do with that. Finance is finance in regard to a currency union. They should leave the union then - which would be about ten times worse. It was not the EU that killed these people, it was budgetary mischief of their government that got them here. If they were not in the currency union they would have devalued their currency to about 1/100th of the prior value. You don't think that would hurt people? The austerity programs are designed to protect the Euro. It isn't just banks and bondholders - its hundreds of millions of people who have all their assets valued in Euros. Greece fucked those people over by fiscal irresponsibility prior to the crisis. I'm very sorry it is happening - but it did. Saying that the banks and bondholders are doing this to make money ignores every non-Greek Euro user. How would you like it if Illinois' fiscal irresponsibility for the last ten years destroyed 99% of your savings?
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How would you like it if you were Greek and you're unemployed and watching your country being destroyed to make sure Germany can keep exporting BMWs?

I don't think it's fair to blame and impoverish the Greek people. Bonds don't have zero risk. At some point banks need to be held accountable for their own excesses but it's a neoliberal mantra to make sure banks get bailed out, no matter what the cost to society. I don't buy that for a minute.
 
ttystikk said:
How would you like it if you were Greek and you're unemployed and watching your country being destroyed to make sure Germany can keep exporting BMWs?

I don't think it's fair to blame and impoverish the Greek people. Bonds don't have zero risk. At some point banks need to be held accountable for their own excesses but it's a neoliberal mantra to make sure banks get bailed out, no matter what the cost to society. I don't buy that for a minute.
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Aside from the false analogy, I would not like it. I did not vote for their government - they did.
 
Unclebaldrick said:
Aside from the false analogy, I would not like it. I did not vote for their government - they did.
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How sure are you that the EU economies that need to deficit spend and can't are not suffering under a horrendously destructive economic policy that's been shown definitively NOT TO WORK, just so the strong export need economy can continue to profit?

You dismiss the idea out of hand as a false analogy. Where's your justification for that notion?

Have a look at my economist Mark Blyth thread, or look him up yourself on YouTube. Neoliberalism is dead and has stopped working for the vast majority of people in Western liberal economies. Paul Krugman is not explaining the current situation well at all, mostly because he and others aren't explaining the effects of runaway debt.
 
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