Getting busted?!?!?!?!

GibbsIt89

GibbsIt89

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i got the ballast and neutral bulb for the half quarter and i already purchased a warm bulb that i was going to use in this ballast, but now i have too many plants so i need to get the bigger ones either into more light or put them into budding under another ballast, so HPS isnt really my option right now. mayb when i have extra money or space to test things out.
 
YungMune

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lol u didnt even know the difference between what a mh and a hps was...lol i wanna c the kind of bud your gonna get flowering with a mh.
 
rambler420

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GibbsIt89 said:
not going to argue with u about who knows what dude lol.. i have some knowledge but dont really care to get into it becuz im clearly using a METAL HALIDE ballast and bulb and not going to go out of my way for any other types of lighting at the moment, my understanding for HPS is better for budding, but creates more heat? i hear HPS is better for alot of reasons, like lumens distributed and price, efficiency, but AGAIN im just using the 400watt metal halide ballast that i got for a half quarter of amazing purple kush that i was dealing at the time from BC and im soon to recieve another 400watt ballast and 2-3 extra bulbs for like $150 so what my money is going towards aside from lighting right now obviously is things that ppl suggest for a better grow room, like CO2, or an exhaust system, etc.etc.
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From what I understand, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, 'cause I very well could be, is the MH bulb is the blue/daylight spectrum, which is what you'd use for vegging. Wattage/heat be damned, it just puts out a different spectrum of color. The HPS is more of the orangy/red spectrum, good for budding. One may put out more heat, but it really depends on if your reflector hood is vented, how long your light is on, etc. The two different lights are on totally different ends of the kelvin scale.
 
GibbsIt89

GibbsIt89

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yes this is what i should have said, HPS are better for budding because of the more orangy/red spectrum it provides, i simply just dont feel like going out and buying a HPS ballast and bulb, as ive said i am getting a second MH400 ballast and 3 bulbs for the price of one HPS bulb pretty much. im sure an HPS outdoes a Warm MH bulb for budding but this is what i have and am going to use. i didnt mean to be rude as im learning all of these things still but im guessing an HPS will double the yeild over a warm MH??? please provide info instead of just critisizing.
 
GibbsIt89

GibbsIt89

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YungMune said:
lol u didnt even know the difference between what a mh and a hps was...lol i wanna c the kind of bud your gonna get flowering with a mh.
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so please describe these million differences u dont think i seem to understand.. im not turning down HPS AT ALL, i just have MH and intend to use them for now, im on my first grow so mayb after harvest i will do just that and purchase a 1000watt HPS bulb and ballast (curious as to c the difference in yeild between 400watt HPS and 400watt warm MH)
mayb one of the differences "i dont understand" is that Metal halide puts more of a certain chemical into ur plants which is a chemical recommended for JUST veg?

EXPLAIN.EXPLAIN.EXPLAIN
 
GibbsIt89

GibbsIt89

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i also went with getting another 400watt MH ballast becuz i could have more light (using 2 cold bulbs) and space now for a veg area becuz i am running out of space with all the new ones and the one big one that is my first plant that i put back in veg to get as big as it can or to clone, havent decided, mayb both of course. thus i dont have a budding area, so i hav a warm deluxe 400watt MH bulb for budding becuz i was going to use that to originally bud with my first ballast being cheaper then buying a new HPS bulb and ballast. either way its too late, what i have hooked up is a 400watt nuetral bulb and hanging ballast and vegging everything.. i have the option of doing w/e with the next ballast, i just thought more space and interchangable bulbs would make things easier.

PS. my friend has a few different ballasts and bulbs (MH or HPS) available to me for dirt cheap so im guessing i should ask about a HPS set up for budding when i hav some extra money? how much of a difference will this make from my MH 400watt warm bulb on yeild? im dragging all of this on and on lol MY BAD just this YoungMune guy bugged me by critisizing and assuming instead of providing info
 
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fred flintstoned

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I don't think you will lose anything by using MH as opposed to HPS. This debate has been raging for years and nothing of any real substance has come out of it.
You will need a carbon filter to control smell in flower. You don't necessarily need to vent if your room temp is under control. I don't. (sealed room w/AC + CO2) The fan can sit on the filter and recirculate/scrub the air in the room.
For this small an operation, don't worry about the chopper in the air. They're very expensive to operate and they use em for large ops that they suspect already. Keep your mouth shut.
If your still worried, run the lights during the day. Forward looking infrared radar doesn't work then.
As you spend more time here you'll find guys like that troll are morons and should be ignored. A couple of em have posted in this thread. Investigate their past posts and you'll see.
And don't EVER have anything grow related sent to where you grow again!
Stay high
Fred
 
Serapis

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YungMune said:
lol u didnt even know the difference between what a mh and a hps was...lol i wanna c the kind of bud your gonna get flowering with a mh.
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Wow, what a dick......

Are you here to point fingers and laugh at people or help them? Just so ya know, it is possible to flower with metal halide light, which provides more UVB than sodium does, which makes for a better bud. Ideally, one would flower with both a sodium and a metal halide source together for the ultimate indoor quality. I'm not a light expert. I found the information online after reading your snide remark. It took me 45 seconds tops to locate and read the info. Maybe if you did something similar before being a jack ass to someone on the board you wouldn't appear so naive to those that know better.

There is no science stating you can only use this type of light at this stage. There are tried and true methods and those still waiting to be discovered. What if he happened to use his mh light with some red and orange LEDs or some other supplemental lighting?

I'm just saying, don't be so quick to bust someone's chops and make fun of them, unless they are totally being stupid or ignorant after repeated attempts to help.
 
GibbsIt89

GibbsIt89

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Serapis said:
Wow, what a dick......

Are you here to point fingers and laugh at people or help them? Just so ya know, it is possible to flower with metal halide light, which provides more UVB than sodium does, which makes for a better bud. Ideally, one would flower with both a sodium and a metal halide source together for the ultimate indoor quality. I'm not a light expert. I found the information online after reading your snide remark. It took me 45 seconds tops to locate and read the info. Maybe if you did something similar before being a jack ass to someone on the board you wouldn't appear so naive to those that know better.

There is no science stating you can only use this type of light at this stage. There are tried and true methods and those still waiting to be discovered. What if he happened to use his mh light with some red and orange LEDs or some other supplemental lighting?

I'm just saying, don't be so quick to bust someone's chops and make fun of them, unless they are totally being stupid or ignorant after repeated attempts to help.
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so your saying that a MH actually has more UVB than HPS which is involved with producing "better bud"? And the HPS has more orangy spectrum so this would equip the correct spectrum then therefore using both would b better? or is it something more then just the spectrum from the HPS? FURTHER, is a WARM MH bulb useless then even tho it has a more orangy spectrum in it, its a sunmaster (SM.400W.BU37.WDX)
 
IrishNig420

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GibbsIt89 said:
so your saying that a MH actually has more UVB than HPS which is involved with producing "better bud"? And the HPS has more orangy spectrum so this would equip the correct spectrum then therefore using both would b better? or is it something more then just the spectrum from the HPS? FURTHER, is a WARM MH bulb useless then even tho it has a more orangy spectrum in it, its a sunmaster (SM.400W.BU37.WDX)
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MH makes a denser compact structure during veg. HPS makes dense potent buds. MH has more UVB than HPS. Marijuana creates THC to protect its buds from damage from UVB light, hence the reason a mix of both will give better buds. Either one alone though will work.
 
Spanishfly

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YungMune said:
lol u didnt even know the difference between what a mh and a hps was...lol i wanna c the kind of bud your gonna get flowering with a mh.
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May be a better idea if you were to take the trouble to explain the different characteristics of MH and HPS instead of making fun.
 
sicks string samurai

sicks string samurai

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IrishNig420 said:
MH makes a denser compact structure during veg. HPS makes dense potent buds. MH has more UVB than HPS. Marijuana creates THC to protect its buds from damage from UVB light, hence the reason a mix of both will give better buds. Either one alone though will work.
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Aaah, i get it now. So a dummed-down comparison would be the CFLs.. veg using 6500k (comparable to the Mh bulb) and flower using 2700k (comparable to the HPS bulb)

man i love getting burnt and trying to finger shit out :p
 
rambler420

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yeah, the easy way to remember is MH is daylight, HPS is evening light. One is the 6500K, the other 2700k. I have to do little ditties in my head to remember stuff like that. The way I remember is MH is only 2 letters, HPS, 3 letters. 2 comes before 3. veg comes before bud. therefore MH comes before HPS.
 
dux

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For what It Is worth as a rookie,I only used MH for my first run (indoors DWC) and after stretching and just being an impatient rookie I still harvested some great smoke! (unknown strain from a close gardening friend) The only thing that I would change If I could was,the buds were big and fluffy.I would like a more dense bud.maybe the strain or rookie mishaps...It still taste and feels great!!
 
GibbsIt89

GibbsIt89

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dux said:
For what It Is worth as a rookie,I only used MH for my first run (indoors DWC) and after stretching and just being an impatient rookie I still harvested some great smoke! (unknown strain from a close gardening friend) The only thing that I would change If I could was,the buds were big and fluffy.I would like a more dense bud.maybe the strain or rookie mishaps...It still taste and feels great!!
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the more wattage and the higher red spectrum the more density, thats what they say. Ive noticed for sure for wattage, i like doubled my harvest with a 1000watt HPS compared to a 400watt MH 3200k bulb
 
GibbsIt89

GibbsIt89

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IrishNig420 said:
MH makes a denser compact structure during veg. HPS makes dense potent buds. MH has more UVB than HPS. Marijuana creates THC to protect its buds from damage from UVB light, hence the reason a mix of both will give better buds. Either one alone though will work.
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awsome explanation thank you
 
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