giving defoliation during flower a try

Cannasutraorganics said:

what.

BioCanna isn't chelated.

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Come on bro im talking about AN. U know i didnt say bio canna was chelated read entire post dont skim thru it. I said both mutrient companies IMO are way superior to DG the post was about the AN expirment nothing im that post was about canna besides that sentence.

Gee, for someone who was DONE has come back to say that @homebrewer doesn't know what he is doing. PLEASE go on.

pk_boosted2 said:

And the moron who ran this experiment was familiar with DG and had nonidea how to use AN!! If inswitch to snother nute company its gonna take me proly 3-5 runs to completely figure the shit out, anyone who grows consistently and is trying new things to improve their grows knows that simple fact.

Like I said the dude who tried using AN fucked the whole expeirment up and made it very clear he was wrong by way his plants reacted. There was nothing wrong w the bases if he ph'd them correctly then he wouldnt have had an issues. Then who knows how many ml/gal he ran from diff stages of growth bcuz thats important as well.

If im not familiar w how strong or concentrated a product is or how weak or dilluted it is im not gonna know how much to use or give it during my runs until its done several times over and over.

I think he was familiar with DG for this grow he ran AN not knowing anything but what the bottle said and he fucked his shit up for what reason idk but im positive if he continued to run same side by side with same nutrients and figured out his fuk up or mis step AN would win easily.

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BUT, AN is scientifically formulated and all you have to do is follow their schedule, you don't even need to know the NPK, your words, not mine

I never said he didnt know how to grow. I said he isnt familiar with AN enough to get accurate results, which is evident from all the problems he ran into. That wasnt an issue with nutrients it was an issue with himself and whatever he did when mixing them into his reservoir.

2nd, obviously u cant feed full strength to seedllings or cuttings. But yes with advanced nutrients u can and are supposed to feed full strength during bloom by week 3-6/7 depending on variety. If u dont ur gonna see deficiencies, and yellowing and leaf upping bcuz they are meant to feed full strength. U dont need to check the PPM or PH with their Conny or other PH perfect bases.

Also he did that run in 2010, AN PH Perfect Connoisseur was available at that time so if he ran the PH Perfect line he fucked everything up bcuz same shit happened to one of my customers about a year ago. He tried adjusting PH of his bases and fucked an entire run up with 1 feeding!!

Idk what the dude did, but he did something wrong or incorrectly regarding mixing the nutrients or ph'ing whatever the case may be. And if he called AN they would helped him figure it out on their support line. Those guys know their shit and are very very good and informative.

Im gonna call them in a few hours when they open and record my convo with them and tell em im running Dyna Gro and it blew their shit out water, and Imma upload this shit so u can hear their response. Now remember they got 100% money back guarantee lets see what they have to say about this. I cant wait!!

What are the odds that pk_boosted2 will actually learn something after all of this? Or does he feel that he knows all there is to know about nutrients and will continue to go on his merry way.

If I were spending $500 a month on nutrients and numerous fellow growers, many that are very good at growing weed, show me a way of possibly increasing my yields and cut my cost to $30 a month....I would be taking notes.....regardless of how long I've grown weed.

Full Disclosure: It took me a year of being told by the very same knowledgeable growers to ditch the high P Jacks (10-30-20) and go with Jacks 20-10-30. So I too was reluctant to change.....but I have.....and I wonder why it took me so long.

pk_boosted2 said:

I never said he didnt know how to grow. I said he isnt familiar with AN enough to get accurate results, which is evident from all the problems he ran into. That wasnt an issue with nutrients it was an issue with himself and whatever he did when mixing them into his reservoir.

2nd, obviously u cant feed full strength to seedllings or cuttings. But yes with advanced nutrients u can and are supposed to feed full strength during bloom by week 3-6/7 depending on variety. If u dont ur gonna see deficiencies, and yellowing and leaf upping bcuz they are meant to feed full strength. U dont need to check the PPM or PH with their Conny or other PH perfect bases.

Also he did that run in 2010, AN PH Perfect Connoisseur was available at that time so if he ran the PH Perfect line he fucked everything up bcuz same shit happened to one of my customers about a year ago. He tried adjusting PH of his bases and fucked an entire run up with 1 feeding!!

Idk what the dude did, but he did something wrong or incorrectly regarding mixing the nutrients or ph'ing whatever the case may be. And if he called AN they would helped him figure it out on their support line. Those guys know their shit and are very very good and informative.

Im gonna call them in a few hours when they open and record my convo with them and tell em im running Dyna Gro and it blew their shit out water, and Imma upload this shit so u can hear their response. Now remember they got 100% money back guarantee lets see what they have to say about this. I cant wait!!

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Hey PK, how bout a challange ? How bout you get a bottle of DynaGro Foilage Pro and do a side by side with your AN ? and document it here ? and show us we're wrong?

lilroach said:

What are the odds that pk_boosted2 will actually learn something after all of this? Or does he feel that he knows all there is to know about nutrients and will continue to go on his merry way.

If I were spending $500 a month on nutrients and numerous fellow growers, many that are very good at growing weed, show me a way of possibly increasing my yields and cut my cost to $30 a month....I would be taking notes.....regardless of how long I've grown weed.

Full Disclosure: It took me a year of being told by the very same knowledgeable growers to ditch the high P Jacks (10-30-20) and go with Jacks 20-10-30. So I too was reluctant to change.....but I have.....and I wonder why it took me so long.

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Happy Turkey Day Everyone !!!

you too turkey tits

pk_boosted2 said:

And the moron who ran this experiment was familiar with DG and had nonidea how to use AN!! If inswitch to snother nute company its gonna take me proly 3-5 runs to completely figure the shit out, anyone who grows consistently and is trying new things to improve their grows knows that simple fact.

Like I said the dude who tried using AN fucked the whole expeirment up and made it very clear he was wrong by way his plants reacted. There was nothing wrong w the bases if he ph'd them correctly then he wouldnt have had an issues. Then who knows how many ml/gal he ran from diff stages of growth bcuz thats important as well.

If im not familiar w how strong or concentrated a product is or how weak or dilluted it is im not gonna know how much to use or give it during my runs until its done several times over and over.

I think he was familiar with DG for this grow he ran AN not knowing anything but what the bottle said and he fucked his shit up for what reason idk but im positive if he continued to run same side by side with same nutrients and figured out his fuk up or mis step AN would win easily.

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He knew exactly how to use it your AN suck's all you wanna do is find a way to justify the ridiculous amount of money you spend........ @homebrewer is a fucking hero Im sure you read through all those pages to BTW

RM3 said:

Hey PK, how bout a challange ? How bout you get a bottle of DynaGro Foilage Pro and do a side by side with your AN ? and document it here ? and show us we're wrong?

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I said i would do that I got no problem running this expirement. My only issue is I need someone with experience with dyna gro to give me a basic feed chart so I can make sure its run good.

I want ml/gal for veg
Same for bloom and list bottles I need to get to do so.
I will run AN bases with only voodoo juice, big bud, overdrive and b52 thats there basic bare minimum grow.

Someone give me info and i would love to do this!!

pk_boosted2 said:

I said i would do that I got no problem running this expirement. My only issue is I need someone with experience with dyna gro to give me a basic feed chart so I can make sure its run good.

I want ml/gal for veg
Same for bloom and list bottles I need to get to do so.
I will run AN bases with only voodoo juice, big bud, overdrive and b52 thats there basic bare minimum grow.

Someone give me info and i would love to do this!!

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using foliage pro, in PRO MIX, you are gonna want to mix in about 1/4 strength of the recommended amount on the bottle, every time the plant needs watering, water with that same amount until they are done.
depending on the water you use, some adjustments may need to be made.

pk_boosted2 said:

Come on bro im talking about AN. U know i didnt say bio canna was chelated read entire post dont skim thru it. I said both mutrient companies IMO are way superior to DG the post was about the AN expirment nothing im that post was about canna besides that sentence.

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How can it be superior to DG? DG might run hotter but it has all the micro's and macro's in it in 1 bottle none of it gets locked out for 13 bux.....Never had 1 deficiency issue with it

You guys r very confused on the price of AN btw..
On a 4 light run for entire bloom period its not even gonna cost u 400-450$ total.

You only need to run small amounts of the nutrient supplements they are very concentrated, additives i never exceed half strength 4 ml/gal
Bloom i start at half and by week 3 full strength for 4 weeks than back in half so range of 5 ml to 12 than down to 5 for last 2/3 weeks.

For bloom on a 4 light run the gallon jugs u proly only use half of them so u can get 2 runs out of them so maybe total cost on bases is 100-120$
Additives a litre of voodoo like 80$
Litre of over drive same and u dont even need all of it only run for 2 weeks 60$
Big bud proly need half a gallon or 2 litres maybe another 75-100$
And half gal of b52 maybe another 100$

Thats all u basic requirments are rougly 450$ give or take and thats with a drain to waste
If u running hydroponics the cost obviosuly alot cheaper cuz u reuse ur nutrients for a week at a time. So proly cost 2/3 of that for a 4 lighter. Thats not very expensive at all.

pk_boosted2 said:

You guys r very confused on the price of AN btw..
On a 4 light run for entire bloom period its not even gonna cost u 400-450$ total.

You only need to run small amounts of the nutrient supplements they are very concentrated, additives i never exceed half strength 4 ml/gal
Bloom i start at half and by week 3 full strength for 4 weeks than back in half so range of 5 ml to 12 than down to 5 for last 2/3 weeks.

For bloom on a 4 light run the gallon jugs u proly only use half of them so u can get 2 runs out of them so maybe total cost on bases is 100-120$
Additives a litre of voodoo like 80$
Litre of over drive same and u dont even need all of it only run for 2 weeks 60$
Big bud proly need half a gallon or 2 litres maybe another 75-100$
And half gal of b52 maybe another 100$

Thats all u basic requirments are rougly 450$ give or take and thats with a drain to waste
If u running hydroponics the cost obviosuly alot cheaper cuz u reuse ur nutrients for a week at a time. So proly cost 2/3 of that for a 4 lighter. Thats not very expensive at all.

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that is VERY expensive to us, i would rather use DG or jacks and put that money towards better lights, which actually WILL increase yield.

Anybody ever wonder if these are still the guys from AN tryin to push there shit? Or is it just me?

chuck estevez said:

using foliage pro, in PRO MIX, you are gonna want to mix in about 1/4 strength of the recommended amount on the bottle, every time the plant needs watering, water with that same amount until they are done.
depending on the water you use, some adjustments may need to be made.

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I want entire feed schedule bottles and amounts including by week for average i can adjust if i see needed:

4-5 week veg
8-9 week bloom phase

I want ml/gal by week and feeding and whatever additives i need or however their products r use i know they have a few bottles. Imma have order em up and gonna take me a bit cuz im in middle of switching to bloom right now but I will def do this got no problem, im gonna run 1 entire light for accurate results 6-9 plants ill start with then ill pick the best 6 and throw rest out and same for advanced and ill do a light of canna too.

pk_boosted2 said:

You guys r very confused on the price of AN btw..
On a 4 light run for entire bloom period its not even gonna cost u 400-450$ total.

You only need to run small amounts of the nutrient supplements they are very concentrated, additives i never exceed half strength 4 ml/gal
Bloom i start at half and by week 3 full strength for 4 weeks than back in half so range of 5 ml to 12 than down to 5 for last 2/3 weeks.

For bloom on a 4 light run the gallon jugs u proly only use half of them so u can get 2 runs out of them so maybe total cost on bases is 100-120$
Additives a litre of voodoo like 80$
Litre of over drive same and u dont even need all of it only run for 2 weeks 60$
Big bud proly need half a gallon or 2 litres maybe another 75-100$
And half gal of b52 maybe another 100$

Thats all u basic requirments are rougly 450$ give or take and thats with a drain to waste
If u running hydroponics the cost obviosuly alot cheaper cuz u reuse ur nutrients for a week at a time. So proly cost 2/3 of that for a 4 lighter. Thats not very expensive at all.

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You are very confused because I can get all that in one bottle for 13 bux

AN doesnt need to push anything they are the number 1 nutrient compan in north america lol