Government Shutdown, Who Gets The Blame?

mame

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You should figure out how chain of command works. He is in charge he is to blame, their may be further blame that rolls down hill. However he is to blame.
Again, go learn a bit about how government works. The President is not the "boss" and there is no traditional "chain of command" at the highest level... It's all based on a system of checks and balances.To pass a bill into law requires votes to be held in the house and senate AND the presidents signature. On top of that, a law must adhere to the constitution - interpretated by the SCOTUS. Obama cannot hold Beohner, Reid or any other congressman accountable; Only the voters and the law can.
 

wiseguy316

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There is a chain of command, he is the head of state. He can veto bills that congress tries to pass. As long as it isn't 2/3 majority. He wins. I would say that makes him in charge. Or maybe they janitor of the white house veto bills now too, even though he is not in the executive branch.
 

NoDrama

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I Blame Woodrow Wilson, he signed the Fed Reserve into law. The issuance of money now has interest attached since then.
 

UncleBuck

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was a budget ever voted on last year? and if so, did the 40 repubs filibuster it?

i am too occupied watching the golf telecast to look this up.
 

mame

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I Blame Woodrow Wilson, he signed the Fed Reserve into law. The issuance of money now has interest attached since then.
The fed in the right hands can be a very useful tool. a few examples:

1) Volcker used fed powers to reduce core inflation from over 10% to 4%
2) Ben Bernanke is using the feds power to help those in debt - get out of debt... AND the Fed made a record profit under him in 08 (82 billion) while single handedly propping up our financial institutions (which, like it or not, are very important to our economy).
3) The Japanese central bank fought deflation during the Japanese "lost decade".

Although, I only need to use two words to argue against the fed:

Alan Greenspan
 

Ernst

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They've got no balls, they won't shut down shit.
Tea party is holding out for Abortion punishments.

Abortion is legal but still these goons are still trying to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body.
Oh ask them to cap private wealth and they are ready to push the nuclear button but insist a woman has rights over her own body and now we have to pass laws that punish just the female sex.

Shouldn't we have a law that states if a man makes a woman pregnant when she didn't want to be pregnant he can be sued? Or are we now in favor of abortions when the man is held accountable.
 

beardo

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I Blame Woodrow Wilson, he signed the Fed Reserve into law. The issuance of money now has interest attached since then.
Wilson and George Bush and G. Gorden Liddy, Bush and Liddy for what happened to Kennedy who was trying to fix the situation
 

beardo

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Tea party is holding out for Abortion punishments.

Abortion is legal but still these goons are still trying to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body.
Oh ask them to cap private wealth and they are ready to push the nuclear button but insist a woman has rights over her own body and now we have to pass laws that punish just the female sex.

Shouldn't we have a law that states if a man makes a woman pregnant when she didn't want to be pregnant he can be sued? Or are we now in favor of abortions when the man is held accountable.
Abortion is murder so if you are pro abortion you are for murdering babies and to have such a narrow view on who it is ok to murder would be very predjudice who are you to decide who it is ok to kill and who it isn't?
 

mame

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Abortion is murder so if you are pro abortion you are for murdering babies and to have such a narrow view on who it is ok to murder would be very predjudice who are you to decide who it is ok to kill and who it isn't?
the Supreme court has upheld a womans right to choose.
 

bobbypyn

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Abortion is murder so if you are pro abortion you are for murdering babies and to have such a narrow view on who it is ok to murder would be very predjudice who are you to decide who it is ok to kill and who it isn't?
the human body in utero does not receive a soul till the 2nd trimester. Abortion is not the abomination you're painting it as, homey. What's the greater inhumanity; forcing an unwanted child through a life of neglect and abuse that invariably leads to crime and poverty or allowing a young woman to decide for herself what's most appropriate for her situation? no man should have a fucking thing to say on this issue. when you grow a va jj then you get to have a say in the matter. my opinion.
 

BudMcLovin

Active Member
I’d say the father of the child has every right to voice his opinion. But other than that if a woman can live with murdering her child, you’re right it’s her choice. The Supreme Court found that right in the constitution but have yet to free us pot heads from tyranny. It’s a fucked up world.
 

Ernst

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the Supreme court has upheld a womans right to choose.
The Teapublicans want to make it so if you get an abortion you cannot deduct your health insurance off your taxes.
So in essence they are demanding the end to planned parenthood, and make abortion a financial fine.

There is one other thing anti-woman Teapublicans related I am forgetting.
That is what is holding things up..

I am real sure only the female gets punished when it takes two to make a baby.
So in essence this is a sex tax on woman. A one strike law.
 

Ernst

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the human body in utero does not receive a soul till the 2nd trimester. Abortion is not the abomination you're painting it as, homey. What's the greater inhumanity; forcing an unwanted child through a life of neglect and abuse that invariably leads to crime and poverty or allowing a young woman to decide for herself what's most appropriate for her situation? no man should have a fucking thing to say on this issue. when you grow a va jj then you get to have a say in the matter. my opinion.
I would disagree with the soul part. There is no evidence God Exists nor any of that mythology.
With the insistence that woman be a cattle and produce each conceived human then once that child is here limit his education, healthcare and wealth is possible a proverbial hell the parents don't want.
I believe we all have the right to choose when since there is no security in this world.
Screw the Teapublicans! Pass a budget all ready!
 

Gastanker

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I blame MTV. So many reality TV shows retarding the majority of Americans. Slow people do foolish things, elect foolish people and it all leads to a foolish government with a retarded economy.
 

Dan Kone

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@ Dan

I have to respectfully disagree with that....In the absence of parties, officials wouldnt be "scared" to have there own beliefs and vote across party lines on different issues.....
Getting rid of parties wouldn't necessarily get rid of political ideologies. I believe this problem is not being caused by the republican party, but the tea party who isn't an active office holding party. They are an independent group. Groups like that would still exist without a two party system.

That being said I do agree that we would be better off with open elections rather than a two party system.
 
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